I'd like to be wrong on this, but as far as I can find out, DIN 51606
testing is not commercially available in UK. I'm sure a university
could sort something out. If you have time and can handle the
beurocracy.
Otherwise I think, test the factors which confirm the fuel's quality,
water,
I've priced up Energea plant. I'm sure it's excellent quality kit,
but with site, storage tanks and vehicles, it's only economic at 5T
per hour running 2 shifts per day. A business plan can be worked
around it, but it's a big eneterprise for a start-up industry.
I'm being told that in UK a
METHANOL: £80 per barrel with recovery you'll use 12.5% per litre of
ester produced. Cheaper by the tonne, but you'll need storage.
OIL: varies from the bare cost of collection to £150/tonne depending
on your source.
CHEMICALS: Fraction of a penny per litre. NaOH is about £1.30 per kg.
You'll
You could test for specific gravity (use a hydrometer)
, viscosity, gel points (temp at which it starts to
solidify), or flash points.
All of these need to be (about) right for an effective
fuel, and are easy to test for. I got a catalogue for
a schools chemistry supplier - they have all sorts
Does anyone have an idea of how much 1 or 5 gallons of filtered (no food
particles) of WVO (waste vegetable oil) weighs. I dont have this figure
handy and go figure I dont have a scale big enough to do lb. measurements.
Thanx,
Cordain
Dulles,VA.
Dick you said:
* u$s 9'100.00 faf buenos aires, plus per diem and travel for
instalation and start-up.
Please excuse my dense head, but I'm confused by the punctuation Do
you mean $9,100 or $910,000. One seems very low the other perhaps a
bit high.
Dave
Biofuels at Journey to Forever
VW have said that they stock conversion kits allowing most post 1995
vehicles to use 100% RME. Before that they won't commit themselves.
Most vehicles are Ok with a 20% blend ebven though manufacturers
warranty are often an issue. For the time being, our market is out of
warranty commercial
I use a 700 watt power drill to mix 180 litres of oil/methanol. It's
not an efficient motor, but suggests you'd need at least 5KW into a
300 gallon tank. 3 phase is more efficient so you might get away with
4Kw.
The milk bulk tank mixers I've seen are really only stirrers.
They'd struggle
If existing collectors don't have to pay landfill costs or clean-up
costs for animal feed they should be able to sell it very cheap. If
they won't, set up your own collection service with agreed contracts
at minimal costs to waste oil producers. But don't do it for nothing.
No cost = no value
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As for ethanol look at www.iogen.ca. They have a commercial enzyme
process that converts cellulose from timber straw and waste
paper/card into ethanol. I have no idea if it's cheaper after excise
tax than dino fuel, but it's certainly clean and renewable.
Iogen
You could test for specific gravity (use a hydrometer)
, viscosity, gel points (temp at which it starts to
solidify), or flash points.
All of these need to be (about) right for an effective
fuel, and are easy to test for. I got a catalogue for
a schools chemistry supplier - they have all sorts
Dave! Interesting to hear your results ... paddy
This is the case in question (posted to the Biofuels list):
Couple of interesting messages below from Martin Steele, ace Brit
biodieseller, following a spot of bovver with his Volvo.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
I use a 700 watt power drill to mix 180 litres of oil/methanol. It's
not an efficient motor, but suggests you'd need at least 5KW into a
300 gallon tank. 3 phase is more efficient so you might get away with
4Kw.
The milk bulk tank mixers I've seen are really only stirrers.
They'd struggle to get
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I think we need to reconsider the fuel's name. The term biodiesel
means methyl ester (to us), but to almost anybody else it simply
means a fuel with a biological content. We could start calling the
stuff we make methyl ester, but that's not the whole solution
maybe
welcome to the global village, dave !!! in metrics, it would be 9.100,00. in
anglosaxon it would be 9,100.00. so to eliminate guesswork, some bright
cybernaut came up with a 'universal' notation for separating thousands :
9'100.00. i find it useful, as i have to deal with clients using both
David,
Everything depends on the thruput of your planned plant.
That is true that big plant can cost huge amount of money.
From the context of your message I conclude that the best for you would be
small or medium
sized batch plant that could be extended with time by the consecutive modules.
So still looking stupid at this end :)...
We are talking about nine thousand, one hundred dollars (US) for an
800 litre processor.
Briefly:
# What does this price include?
# How many batches can it make per day?
# Could the output be increased by pumping the reacted contents
into
Iogen press releases say they've just finished a 100 tonne (per day I
think) pilot plant in Canada. They must be fairly confident.
They say the cellulose enzyme process is econmic compared to the acid
process developed by some US universities. Their planned feedstock is
straw from the wheat
I don't know... Petrol, gasoline and ethanol make no mention of
the engine type they are used in. Also the name diesel suggests we
are connected with the dirty stuff provided by the petrochem
industry.
If we dump the name diesel perhaps we also dump all it's dirty
associations.
The Germans
Hi David
Watch out for (1) environmental protection, (2) workplace safety
officers and (3) insurance issues. In some places town planning will
be in in it too.
If (1) and (2) aren't happy, (3) won't be interested :(
But if you set up a small operation hidden away and be careful to
dispose
Dave! Interesting to hear your results ... paddy
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: which vehicles can run unmodified on biodiesel?
VW have said that they stock conversion kits
I take it, Ian, that you are leaving this group on the grounds of being a
defeatist?
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Thanks for the contacts.
If you want a big turbine then these would be good.
I have found the price rises quickly when you leave automobile market
though.
Delco makes high output (250A) for ambulance service. Has good low speed
response.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Rich Weiss
Might it also be asked that people please refrain from
all the non-essential postings? Like thanks, sorry, me
too, and all the other stuff that, if it really needs to be
sent at all, should be sent to directly to the person, not
to the whole list?
This is an amazingly high volume list
Amen to the grants.
I started my career in aerospace on OGO. I have seen lots of raw data
made politically correct so I have little faith in unverified assertations
by
politically correct scientists.
If anyone would have enough interest in the truth to actually grind the
numbers
and quit quoting
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Small time Biodieselers take note
snipped
Thanks for the reply Keith.
I couldve raised my mail as questions.
but just lately, there seems to
Thanks, will check that out. External is good but not critical.
Any of them will work.
Would like to find a cheap way to get a gear on shaft instead of pulley.
Tapered fit is probably the strongest/most reliable.
Require grinding though.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Ray Hough
Here are some conversions for you:
1 Torricelli = 1 mm of Mercury (Hg)
25.4 Torricelli = 1 inches of Water
760 Torricelli = approx. 14.7 psi
20 Torricelli = 0.387 psi
.0025 Torricelli = .48psi, although I have no idea how you would
ever measure that.
Dave
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But there are good resources for them now, if they go to the right
places they won't go far wrong. When we first made biodiesel about
all we had to go on was one and a half pages by Tom Reed (which got
us there, us and many others). Things are rather different
OK - welcome back!
Terry UK
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DOHH
this is daft.
no I'm not leaving.
I'm now a legit biod producer.
Its just that there is a lot of people out there taking up biod production
without doing any homework.
This lists inhabitants all have their heads screwed on the right way,
Its the people who do a web search, get a bit of
example of results for convert.exe
750.062 torr = 1 bar
760 torr = 1 atmosphere
760 torr = 76 centimeters of mercury
760 torr = 1013250 dyne/centimeters2
760 torr =29.92126 inches of mecury
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Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Keith Addison wrote
But there are good resources for them now, if they go to the right
places they won't go far wrong. When we first made biodiesel about
all we had to go on was one and a half pages by Tom Reed (which got
us there, us and many others). Things are rather different these
DOHH
this is daft.
no I'm not leaving.
I'm now a legit biod producer.
Its just that there is a lot of people out there taking up biod production
without doing any homework.
This lists inhabitants all have their heads screwed on the right way,
Its the people who do a web search, get a bit of
Well, I'll give Ian credit where it is due. Because the folks on this
list are a careful bunch, who can read, and follow instructions, doesn't
mean that you can trust everyone with the production of anything. There
is always a fool to muck it up, and wreck it for the rest of us. And,
yes-the
Hi Guys,
Ive just come on board with the group and look forward to interacting with
you all. I am a self employed Auto Electrician in New Zealand and are about
to create my first batch of Bio Diesel.You expertise and ideas to help me
would be most welcome.
Regards Scott W
Can anyone tell me where to get good quality Caustic Soda in the UK?
I have managed to source everything else ok, Caustic Soda is proving to be a
problem.
Appreciate any advice anyone can offer.
Also has anyone got experience of running a Land Rover 90 on Biodiesel?
Thank you.
Karl.
Sorry if this isn't needed, but, might I recommend
going to a junk yard and pulling one off of an old
truck? It is likely to have high output and high
reliability for quite a bit less than a new one.
-MK
--- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the contacts.
If you want a big turbine then
Depends on if you want to sell them--then new or rebuilt is the way.
If using used check brushes before you get it way up in the air.
You can rewind if you want to enhance low end.
Main thing is regulator modification as stock alternator may draw 40 watts.
You can modulate field and get low
example of results for convert.exe
750.062 torr = 1 bar
760 torr = 1 atmosphere
760 torr = 76 centimeters of mercury
760 torr = 1013250 dyne/centimeters2
760 torr =29.92126 inches of mecury
Or Convert 1.2.3 for Macs, from Fifth Wave - 17 different ways of
measuring pressure, plus
For some reason the attached file did not go with if you want let me
know and I will send it to you off list
Chris
The list is set not to accept attachments.
Keith Addison
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Handmade Projects
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Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Science, in the public arena, is commonly used as a source of authority with
which to bludgeon political opponents and propagandize uninformed citizens.
This is what has been done with both the reports of the IPCC and the NAS.
---Mr. R. Lindzen
I wonder if anyone will pay attention to what he
While we're at it:
From Economic Reporting Review, June 18, 2001
By Dean Baker
GLOBAL WARMING
Bush Voices Doubts on Global Warming Causes, by Mike Allen and
Eric Pianin in the Washington Post, June 12, 2001, page A1.
Bush Will Continue to Oppose Kyoto Pact on Global Warming, by
David E.
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11225
EU plans to force bio-fuels into petrol
EU: June 17, 2001
BRUSSELS - The European Commission plans to present proposals later
this year requiring oil refineries to mix a percentage of bio-fuel
with petrol to cut carbon dioxide emissions,
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11226
US may need higher fuel standards to cut oil imports
USA: June 18, 2001
WASHINGTON - With Congress opposed to oil drilling in the Alaskan
arctic, the Bush administration may be forced to accept tougher fuel
standards for gas-guzzling
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11236
Japan's Toyota unveils 2 fuel cell hybrid vehicles
JAPAN: June 19, 2001
TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp said yesterday it had developed two fuel
cell hybrid vehicles, one jointly with truckmaker Hino Motors Ltd, as
part of efforts to meet 2010
From the Bangkok Post, 27 May - 2 June 2001
There were two massive blows to bio-diesel fuel -- and they
could knock out the whole project to conserve fuel by mixing
diesel with processed vegetable oil. First: Dealers and insurance
companies announced they will not fix or pay for engine trouble
Hi all
Well, I certainly have some explaining to do.
I would like to apologise to all with my remarks in the 'smalltimer' thread
I fired up.
It was really stupid, for a start off, all of you who populate this list are
good law abiding citizens and I can honestly say the remarks I made were not
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