Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:48:08 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: F.O. Licht [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Power Crops for the Americas
POWER CROPS FOR THE AMERICAS
April 28-29, 2003, Hotel Inter-Continental Miami, USA
The Clean Fuels Development Coalition and F.O. Licht
announce the second
Hi all,
here's an interesting bit of info about what people wrongly call 'road
tax'. It's from our regional (Bay Area and northern california)
biodiesel/svo list, burnveggies. For info on the list go see
www.goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EXCISE TAXES
Keith: I listened to an interview on Tom Valentine's radio show discuss the
plant which was brought to Missouri. It was years ago, and I cannot give the
nane of the man. It was at least an hour of discussion about the history,
quality of fuel, cost, and other aspects.
Ed B
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I predict that the price has not really gone down-It just backed up to get a
good run at a leap towards the top.
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From: MH
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:36 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Crude Oil Price
I was looking at the
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:36 pm, kirk wrote:
My gut feel is in the US it will hit the fan this summer. Saddam probably
will be a quick victory but I think a backlash will come some months later.
Hope I am wrong.
this came accross my desk from another list... quoted lock stock and barrel of
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:22 pm, murdoch wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:36:29 -0600, you wrote:
I was looking at the one year chart on
Light Sweet Crude Oil Apr 2003 (NYMEX:CLJ3)
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_CLJ3v=d12
with a report below chart.
Quite a steep drop the past few
Community comes together to celebrate Great Plains Ethanol grand
opening
By Kelli Bultena
Nearly 2000 people came out to
welcome Great Plains Ethanol and celebrate the ribbon cutting of the
40 million gallon ethanol plant.
Saturday was a perfect day for the event,
silly statistics that don't take total population numbers into
consideration. bad conclusions based on incomplete data.
Steve Spence
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If you listened to what he had to say, maybe you'd realize it's not a whim,
and the lights are not going out. No, probably not.
You missed a good one.
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Hello Ted
First, please change the subject header when you auto-respond in
Digest mode - nobody's going to be too moved by a header saying Re:
[biofuel] Digest Number 1449, and it adds a measure of
meaninglessness to archive searches. Thanks!
I'm new to the group, so offer my opinion
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:48:08 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: F.O. Licht [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Power Crops for the Americas
POWER CROPS FOR THE AMERICAS
April 28-29, 2003, Hotel Inter-Continental Miami, USA
The Clean Fuels Development Coalition and F.O. Licht
announce the second
No Steve, I didn't miss anything. Not the announcement nor the foundation of
sand that he has built his house on over the last six months, nor his utter
disregard for the country that he swore to serve.
He's a near sighted, impatient ass who can't see the benefit of letting the
full weight of
If that's what you think, you missed everything. I feel bad for you.
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Senator Robert Byrd, for all of his faults, continues to voice a dissenting
view on Bush Administration policy with a sense of outrage, clarity and
compassion.
Senate Remarks by Robert C. Byrd
March 19, 2003
The Arrogance of Power
I
Steve,
Quite respectfully? Please stuff your emotions for me in a sock.
The last thing that I need is for you to feel sorry for me when you can't
get a handle on the bigger picture, opting instead for short lived but not
doubt deeply felt emotions.
Emotions are what dragged the man and this
Dear Jack,
I admire Senator Robert Byrd also. I read his speeches and saw him on Larry
King Live. It has been a long time now, since a saw anyone in the
administration or congress, that have the clout of statesmanship that he is
showing. He has a courage and wisdom that been lacking for a
John E Hayes III wrote:
snip
Some other facts to consider:
US population as percentage of total of World Population: 4.6%
US GNP as a as percentage of total of World GNP: 29%
Percentage of UN dues paid by the US: 25%
My point being that you can argue it either way based on population or
Paul wrote:
ok, first off, me and my big mouth should just shut the hell up some times.
sorry if I got people offended. should know better by now.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:00 pm, Keith Addison wrote:
I have been mostly deleting all the political discussion recently... In
addition to it making
Hello all,
I am reminded of 1971, when India was supporting the Mukti Bahini in what
was then East Pakistan.The Pakistani army hordes were rampaging all over the
place looting, raping, murdering and generally terrorising the populace -
all because the puny Bengali had dared to ask for a fair
Can all this liberal blame America crap20 of us may die now, so that
20,000 don't die later...get over it..i'm IN the military and you won't
see me whining...get back to Bio-fuel matters...and CAN all this stupid and
Moot political BS. Dissent once American troops are deployed = giving
I have been mostly deleting all the political discussion recently... In
addition to it making me ill, I just don't have anything to say.
Why not?
A number of reasons. I have been inundated with it, and none of it will
change my mind and I doubt I'll change anyone elses.
Dr Paul van den Bergen
Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures
caia.swin.edu.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IM:bulwynkl2002
It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one.
H Paul
Are there any on-line reviews?
James
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 14:41
Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS
INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost!
No what I'm describing is a system that breaks down,
Here's more from my pal...
Hi James,
I couldn't tell much about the traffic as I used the train and tube into the
city. I'm told that the traffic is much better. It is a great source of
revenue with many fines being imposed. Of course the rich love it,
finally Ken has done something for
Hello Keith
Thanks for responding with encouraging words, Keith.
I am an old hippie,
Quite the best kind! :-)
(Not to knock any of the other kinds...)
and have always believed in peace, love and
brotherhood. When we moved to the deep south, in Texas, some people
called us 'N' lovers, if you
Hey Keith,
what about having things that are politic have a [Politics] Sub-Subject
heading, this would let people who are interested in skipping the politics
do so, without having to manually sort through everything else.
Greg H.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL
Have been offered a GM V6 3.5litre diesel engine/gearbox combination to fit
my Hilux.
Can anyone give me some advice on the performance/reliability/spares
situation for this engine. Have been told that the Holden petrol V6 is based
on this engine, is this correct?
regards Paul Gobert.
Aloe,Keith: I was in shock and awe that you passed my Ullman post without
comment, given the prevailing tone of the posts of the past several months.
I think you're a confused person, Donald Strong, in more ways than
one - above, and see below...
Now that you have commented, I'll reply.
800
http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=631
Keith:
assuming you will like this article, let me note that the masthead is
very clear as to prohibiting reproduction of any article, but I
suggest you do it for your own records at the least, lest they take it
down at some point.
Thankyou MM!! I
Hi Martin
Donald Strong wrote:
Aloe,Keith: I was in shock and awe that you passed my Ullman post without
comment, given the prevailing tone of the posts of the past several months.
Now that you have commented, I'll reply.
800 cruise missiles into Baghdad in two days? Little loss of
My gut feel is in the US it will hit the fan this summer. Saddam probably
will be a quick victory but I think a backlash will come some months later.
Hope I am wrong.
I hope so too - but this will cause world-wide fury against the US.
Ever since Sept 11 (remember Sept 11? - that's right,
Hi Ed
Well then, I guess both things happened, probably closely associated.
And both fell victim to the benevolance and goodwill to all mankind
of Big Oil. It could have been one of the three plants the American
energy technologist tried to get going
Anyway, the Sasol plant in South Africa
Hello Paul
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:22 pm, murdoch wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:36:29 -0600, you wrote:
I was looking at the one year chart on
Light Sweet Crude Oil Apr 2003 (NYMEX:CLJ3)
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_CLJ3v=d12
with a report below chart.
Quite a steep
See coments below:
paul van den bergen wrote:
this came accross my desk from another list... quoted lock stock and barrel
of
oil... first time I have read something that vaguely ties together... Not
saying it is right, because all conspiracy theories look right from a certain
This Sasol plant in South Africa sounds interesting. Any connection to the
German technology?
We have in Canada, a massive store of petroleum in the Athabasca Tar Sands.
Estimates are that it is 400 times (or was it 4,000) times the known regular
world oil reserves. It is oil soaked shale,
10-4
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Arrogance of Power
Can all this liberal blame America crap20 of us may die now, so that
20,000 don't die later...get over it..i'm
Hi John
I have been mostly deleting all the political discussion recently... In
addition to it making me ill, I just don't have anything to say.
Why not?
A number of reasons. I have been inundated with it, and none of it will
change my mind and I doubt I'll change anyone elses.
People's
Jennifer: Just wondering, did you take an oath to defend the US Constitution?
Did you notice any mention of building a foreign empire in it?
EdB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: Re:
Greg H.,
Today is a very sad day, when one of the pillars of world peace
is violated. I am tired and you have to excuse me, if I do not want
to continue with this discusion de Besugos, as the Spanish would
call it.
One day when you feel for it, please try to imagine the situation of
a
Well Captain Jennifer,
It would seem that you would like to function as the Thought Police as
well as an MP? Command and control tactics at their finest, eh? Or is it
their worst?
I suppose it all depends from which end of the barrel one is looking.
As for the fact that you're IN the military,
Hi Greg\
Hey Keith,
what about having things that are politic have a [Politics] Sub-Subject
heading, this would let people who are interested in skipping the politics
do so, without having to manually sort through everything else.
Greg H.
One reason (of quite a few) would be that trying to
Pull your hat down lower. Feels better to say you're right because your
government says so, doesn't it. Dissent does NOT equal treason. I repeat
because people with their crap logic don't understand it: DISSENT DOES
NOT EQUAL TREASON.
People who say they don't want the military over there are
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Andrew
John's almost certainly right.
Rednecks (is that an abusive term or not? - I dunno) seem to be
generally intolerant of other views than their own and inclined to
be
noisy and chauvinistic about it. A
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 13:49
Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS
INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost!
One day when you feel for it, please try to imagine the
Dear All
I am not a selfish man and with all due respect I have
signed up to this group and others to offer and get
help with my research on Bio fuel (Bio diesel) (an
area which although not as significant as the war is
as important), and not to a political discussion on
the validly of the war on
so are we caught between a rock and a hard place here? if oil prices go up,
biodiesel becomes viable. but the economy goes bad. Prices go down,
biodiesel remains the domain of a few religious zealots...
personally I'd like to see tripple ledger accounting enacted in teh energy
industry...
Like Bush you do not like to hear any voice or reason. You obvously do not
value Democracy and freedom of speech. Speaking out is not a crime and it is
enshrined in the constitution which you as a soldier are obliged to defend. PS
Do you relaize that because of the illegal nature of the war
Greg H.,
If you see any parallels with Northern Ireland, you have managed
with something that I never heard someone do before. Please
read and learn more about both situations and then try to think
again. Or do you really think that they have refugee camps in
Northern Ireland and that any side
Hello James
Have to ask you to cut the obscenities in future please.
Yes, I remembered just seconds after hitting the 'send' key.
Sorry all
J
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:00:17 +0900, you wrote:
http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=631
If the author didn't make use of this conference, then I think it's a
fair bet she's lurked on one like it. But, aside from the excellence
of this article, I have found in revisiting it that Citybeat
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:57 am, John E Hayes III wrote:
I have been mostly deleting all the political discussion recently... In
addition to it making me ill, I just don't have anything to say.
Why not?
A number of reasons. I have been inundated with it, and none of it will
change my mind
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:13 am, Greg and April wrote:
Suicide bomber is a very new
phenomena
Not realy. It goes back to at least WW2.
I believe this idea is older than that... atleast back to the 6th century???
Assasins...
--
Dr Paul van den Bergen
Centre for Advanced Internet
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg H.,
If you see any parallels with Northern Ireland, you have managed
with something that I never heard someone do before. Please
read and learn more about both situations and then try to think
again. Or do you
I'm sorry. Did I miss something?
What does this have to do with Biodiesel?
dave
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.economist.com/books/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1621733
Economist.com
Food safety
Cheap chow
Mar 6th 2003
From The Economist print edition
Safe
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr Paul van den Bergen
Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures
caia.swin.edu.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IM:bulwynkl2002
It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one.
H Paul
Are there any on-line reviews?
James
that is my opinion. and I see the connection parallel between
Ireland and Palestine.
OK, Let me chime in on this. There is a huge difference between the events
you describe and the current situation in Israel.
When the Irish and Scottish came here to the USA they became citizens and
were
Wow Randy,
You have to read the history about the potato and the potato
blight first. The potato comes from the Andes in South America
and was brought to Europe by the Spanish. In the Andes there
are hundreds of varieties, growing on different highs and in
different soils. It spread throughout
Hey ... just thought of some odd political thoughts.
In this whole Iraqi mess . notice what is said either you are
with us ... or against us. As though one had only two choices in life.
Freeze that thought.
Remember I once said ... how the UN is kinda using the bad boy Bush ...
as a
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:49:42 -0800
Subject: War/Opposition/Rachel Corrie
To: The Nation Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: The Nation Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As an aerial assault pummels Baghdad, US and British ground forces are
beginning their drive toward the strategic city of Basra in the
Our list has gotten so OT the last few days I'm
taking the liberty here of going even further
-- my apologies to those who aren't US residents
at the moment. I just saw on TV that downtown
San Francisco (50 miles north) is PARALYZED
with demonstrations at this moment. I went to
see what was
Ken:
Why do you need a local TV Station to tell you what to do?
Harley
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From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:40 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Local TV Stations
Our list has gotten so OT the
Keith Addison wrote:
As an aerial assault pummels Baghdad, US and British ground forces are
beginning their drive toward the strategic city of Basra in the first
stage of a full-scale invasionm of Iraq.
In response, there are growing worldwide protests. Some of the biggest
outbursts of
If that's what you think, you missed everything. I feel bad for you.
May George W. Bush and all his evil ilk roast in hell forever for
this. Fire the ovens up on fossil-fuels and let them think about that
for eternity.
Keith
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Hello Jennifer, Capt. USAF
Can all this liberal blame America crap20 of us may die now, so that
20,000 don't die later...get over it..i'm IN the military and you won't
see me whining...get back to Bio-fuel matters...and CAN all this stupid and
Moot political BS. Dissent once American
Lord Balfour: Zionism, be it right or wrong ... is of far profounder
import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now
inhabit that ancient land.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00pp0
The Balfour Declaration
November 2, 1917
During the First World War, British policy
Hi all,
here's an interesting bit of info about what people wrongly call 'road
tax'. It's from our regional (Bay Area and northern california)
biodiesel/svo list, burnveggies. For info on the list go see
www.goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EXCISE TAXES
I'm sorry. Did I miss something?
What does this have to do with Biodiesel?
dave
Oh, several things...
By the way, this isn't a biodiesel list, it's a biofuels list.
Anyway, try reading these, for instance:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=12007list=BIOFUEL
On 21 Mar 2003 at 3:32, Hakan Falk wrote:
Wow Randy,
You have to read the history about the potato and the potato
blight first. The potato comes from the Andes in South America
[SNIP]
...
...
...
[SNIP]
Knowledge. So it was not only starving Irish people who was given
the choice to go
Let's try this what';s offtopic and what's ontopic' thing for just
one message.
ONTOPIC Ah, that's why we saw so much of you on the local biodiesel
list today , Ken. no TV!
OFFTOPIC anyway folks, if you're in the situation Ken's in, get on
the internet and see if there's an Indymedia
Damn it Mark, I wet my trousers LOL!!!
You and your off-n-on again topics.
Ken wrote:
Say I wanna join some local demonstration in
my home town, and I wanna do it NOW. Not having
a local TV station to tell me what's happening
is sort of disempowering. :-)
So then I get thinking
This Sasol plant in South Africa sounds interesting. Any connection
to the German technology?
Well, yes, of course - didn't you read my first message? It's at the
bottom, but I'll put it here at the top:
Not so. This is what happened - posted here previously by a list member:
One
The president's 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein and his sons to get out of
Iraq or die comes against a background of dwindling U.S. support for Bush.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0312/ridgewar2.php
James Ridgeway's War Watch
Darth W. Vader Kicks Over a Hornets' Nest
Conservative
MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6008
As the first bombs rain down on Baghdad, CorpWatch has learned that
thousands of employees of Halliburton, Vice President Dick Cheney's
former company, are working
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0312/ferguson.php
New York Will March in the Face of War
In Shock and Awe
by Sarah Ferguson
March 19 - 25, 2003
These people finally get to march through New York, Saturday at noon.
(photo: Cary Conover)
It's not quite glasnost, but the big chill felt by New
It is still too early to tell whether last night's decapitation
strike was another botched bit of intelligence engineered by the much
criticized CIA director George Tenet.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0313/ridgewar2.php
James Ridgeway's War Watch
Senator, D.C. Activists Blast the War
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/ridgeway.php
The Village Voice: Nation: Mondo Washington: The Spoils of War by
James Ridgeway
The doctrine of the preemptive strike is the perfect strategy for ushering in
a new century of neocolonialism, unfettered by any need to respect sovereignty
or
For example --
Posted Wednesday, March 19, 2003
Republicans Seek To Slash VA Budget!
News With our military poised to attack Iraq,the Republican Party is poised
to devastate the budget of American veterans.
By Kate McLaughlin
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0312/mondo1.php
Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway
Daddy Warbucks
Bush Pals Get Rich Off Iraq
March 18th, 2003 12:00 PM
Unwilling to wait for bombs over Baghdad, Washington lobbyists kicked
off the real Iraq war weeks ago. They've been quietly squaring off
http://www.TomPaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7431
Opposing War Is Not 'Appeasement'
An Interview With Stephen Walt, Harvard University
Natasha Hunter is associate editor at TomPaine.com.
TomPaine.com's Natasha Hunter spoke with Stephen Walt, professor of
international affairs at Harvard
http://www.TomPaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7461
The Long View: America's Illegal War
An Interview With Daniel Ellsberg
Steven Rosenfeld is a commentary editor and audio producer for TomPaine.com.
AUDIO: Click here to listen
To download RealPlayer for free, Click Here.
Daniel Ellsberg is
http://www.TomPaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7438
Zero One, Zulu Time
Embedded And Missing The Story
Michael Ryan is a former correspondent and editor for Time, Inc.
publications. He has covered conflicts in Northern Ireland, Grenada,
Panama and Southeast Asia, as well as the first Gulf War.
http://www.TomPaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7452
An Air Of Empire
The Heavy Price Of Dominance
Leon Fuerth was national security adviser to former vice president Al
Gore. He is now a research professor at George Washington University.
Editor's Note: The following opinion piece was published in
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