Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way?

2005-03-11 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello, Keith and Rob. The water content in FAME according to EN 14214 is set to 500 ppm. In the long run you will have problems if the water content exceeds 0,5% and if the water content exceeds the percentage level, the problems will occur quickly and rising. BD is basically not storable for

[Biofuel] server maintenance

2005-03-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Due to upgrades, the mailing lists, websites, and IRC may not be available for a short time. I will send another message when everything is working correctly. -- Martin Klingensmith wwia.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Jones, Raina Tamsyn \(UMC-Student\)
Greetings listers, Just thought I'd say a word or two about vegetarianism, being one who has survived quite well with such a diet. I think that the idea that many vegetarians can't stay healthy with a no-meat diet is somewhat outdated now. Current ideas about health and nutrition are

[Biofuel] Re: Biodiesel wash water

2005-03-11 Thread Appal Energy
There is one other method of determining the amount of calcium hydroxide (or magnesium sulfate) to add to waste wash water to remove the soap prior to release. Mix up a dilute stock solution of perhaps 1.0 gram per liter of distilled water. Add 50 ml at a time to one liter of the waste

[Biofuel] Judge Dismisses Agent Orange Lawsuit

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hello All ; Look whose names keep popping up, Dow and Monsanto. The Brooklyn judge also found that the plaintiffs could not prove that Agent Orange had caused their illnesses, largely because of a lack of large-scale research. See below. Best Regards, Peter G. Thaland Judge Dismisses Agent

RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Very well said... --- Jones, Raina Tamsyn (UMC-Student) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings listers, Just thought I'd say a word or two about vegetarianism, being one who has survived quite well with such a diet. I think that the idea that many vegetarians can't stay healthy with a

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Ken Provost
on 3/10/05 3:33 PM, Jones, Raina Tamsyn (UMC-Student) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that the idea that many vegetarians can't stay healthy with a no-meat diet is somewhat outdated now. Current ideas about health and nutrition are shifting completely There is also a huge world of

Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator

2005-03-11 Thread Doug Younker
It work well with MS IE, so in my case modify that to say no *additional* HD space. :) Doug - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator : Hi All ; : : AND it doesn't

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; This topic is of special interest to me. But I'm not clear on some things. What do you do when you start with a naturally occuring forest which has no tree species of any value? In other words, any valuable trees like teak have been cut long ago. Nearly all large trees have been

Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Doug ; Yes making sense now. FireFox is 5 megabytes, IE is 70! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It work well with MS IE, so in my case modify that to say no *additional* HD space. :) Doug - Original Message - From: Guag Meister

[Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi, I haven't tried this yet so it is only theory. I bought an old cream seperator(Centrifuge) and I am going to filter the wvo first then run it through the seperator and hopefully seperate any water from the WVO. Also going to try and recover Methy that way. Did you see the news on CNN that

Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi All ; Not knowing anything about Ishmael, it took a while to search the site to find the main points. But absolutely fascinating reading at : http://www.ishmael.com/Interaction/QandA/browse.cfm Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok thanks. At first I

RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings listers, Just thought I'd say a word or two about vegetarianism, being one who has survived quite well with such a diet. I think that the idea that many vegetarians can't stay healthy with a no-meat diet is somewhat outdated now. I don't think the articles I posted links to

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith ; This topic is of special interest to me. But I'm not clear on some things. What do you do when you start with a naturally occuring forest which has no tree species of any value? I doubt there is such a thing. Value means more than cash sale value. In other words, any valuable

[Biofuel] Methane producing plant in Mongolia

2005-03-11 Thread Davaa
Dear All, I have just joined the mailing list. I look forward to learning a lot from your community. My name is Davaa from Mongolia. My brother and myself have a farm with 24 cows nearby capital city Ulaanbaatar. I was searching web sites to find usefull information for improving the efficiency

Re: [Biofuel] Haken Falk and Anti-fossil

2005-03-11 Thread JD2005
Mi ka cest su ka sa (phonetic spelling only) - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk JD2005, Sorry if I came on too hard, because I do understand what you mean. That is that it is too many born to this world, not that it is too many running around. Birth control and family planning

Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People

2005-03-11 Thread JD2005
Ok thanks. At first I was insulted what with Ishmael being a gorilla but I'm not any more and will be going to the book shop or library tomorrow to find a copy. Thank you, JD2005 - Original Message - From: Joanne Olafson Regarding both posts of these posts (see below) from JD2005, you

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; I doubt there is such a thing. Value means more than cash sale value. I knew you would say that! That's not a small tree Peter Not too many of this size and I guess we just need to define our terms. What do you call a tree 5 cm at the base? 30 cm? 1 meter? 2 meters? ? I'd not

[Biofuel] Globalize Liberation, Part 2

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050228/006555.html [Biofuel] Globalize Liberation, Part 1 --- At the center of these efforts must be the understanding that the ecological operating systems of the biosphere represent an overarching politics of reality. If we want to talk

Re: [Biofuel] Is Methane Production in Urban conditions possible?

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Teoman ; --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone produce methane in urban conditions? Can i produce enough methane to run my car? How large a processor would i need and what could i feed it with? Old newspapers and food scraps and grass once in a while from the appartments garden...

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith ; I doubt there is such a thing. Value means more than cash sale value. I knew you would say that! :-) It's not what I think, it's what I've seen and learnt from practice in various settings on three continents, and never having sold a tree. That's not a small tree Peter

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way

2005-03-11 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Norm. The centrifuge itself is calibrated for water, so its capacity with oil is a trial and error project. But unless the centrifuge is equipped with a feed pump, one has to go for a pump with adjustable capacity for starters. And be precise when choosing the gravity disc and the seal ring

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; Oh boy, I guess I'll try one more time to ask this hypothetical question and then I'll leave it alone. In the case of a standing forest of small trees, the preponderance of which are have a 3 sigma size distribution of 10 cm +/- 5 cm as a result of many decades of non-sustainable

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread jon forster
- Original Message - From: Jones, Raina Tamsyn (UMC-Student) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians Excellent information about surviving as a vegetarian. I'd just like to

Re: [Biofuel] Is Methane Production in Urban conditions possible?

2005-03-11 Thread Pannir P.V
Helo Teoman Surley all soilid wastes can be sucessfully transformed in biomethane.Very good methods from Bates chicken car experiences avalible can be used for any solid wastes Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htm Also french Biomass King work is

[Biofuel] [Fwd: Tell Big Auto to clean up their cars and our air SEND ACTION~a13070u957813]

2005-03-11 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
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Re: [Biofuel] Methane producing plant in Mongolia

2005-03-11 Thread Pannir P.V
Helo Davaa Welcome here for this group. Very good work are available from USA internet about the heating your bioreactor. Solar heating or the heat from the biogas combustion can be reused. Here in south of the Brasil , biodigestor do work in low tempertaure with lossin

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests - Some background.

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; Many years ago my family had some rural land we children were tasked with planting 1,000 spruce fir seedlings on clear pasture at about 10 feet spacing. It took several days with string and pick-ax and a handful of fertilizer in each hole. Every year for about 5 years we clipped

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Pannir P.V
Biomass of wood are the rich the source of briqueted charcoal, Bio oil and wood gas . this is a rich source of biofuels.Even the leves can be used for biogas and fertilizer production . This energy conservation need to done sustainable ways sd Pannirselvam On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:21:47

RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I am glad that you are happy with your diet. There is no one right diet for everyone. This does not change the fact that some humans get very sick without eating meat. I can go for 72 hours then my body temperature starts to drop. The only thing that will bring it back up is a serving of

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I totally agree that VASTLY less meat can be easily done. There is no need for a 16 ounce steak. I eat a 6 ounce serving, 5 days a week. 90% of the meat raised at my place feeds Miss Dusty and Miss Hayley, my two canine companions. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:59 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Pannir ; Yes good tip. We expect to power our farm machinery with wood gas, and to manage some dedicated forest land (hopefully multipurpose trees) for that purpose. We are constructing a gasifier now. I went to visit one installed in Phnom Penh last month. Many problems with this

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread damiandolan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, We are using willow for growth here both as energy crop and take up of processing and brewery materials. This provides bothe the benefits of gate fees for the disposeal of the waste and feedstock for biomass boilers. At moment it pays for itself in terms of

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Appal Energy
agribusiness! As soon as you start to use soy as a main protein, you are supporting factory farming, big time. There is such a thing as an organic soy market. As for this: One other fallacy, that meat eating animals eat food that humans could somehow use. Should one presume that what

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Greg Harbican
Keith, is this it: Woodland crafts in Britain: An account of the traditional uses of trees and timbers in the British countryside by Herbert L Edlin, Publisher: David and Charles - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11,

[Biofuel] Minnesota News Regarding Foul Minning Practices

2005-03-11 Thread DHAJOGLO
Below is a brief description of a letter sent to the Governor of Minneosta, USA regarding a proposed Coal Gasification Plant. The letter is around 20 pages, so rather than hitting the list directly I though I would put it on a website for those interested in reading it.

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way?

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
different results. Hello, Keith and Rob. The water content in FAME according to EN 14214 is set to 500 ppm. In the long run you will have problems if the water content exceeds 0,5% and if the water content exceeds the percentage level, the problems will occur quickly and rising. BD is

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Keith ; Oh boy, Uh-huh? I guess I'll try one more time to ask this hypothetical question and then I'll leave it alone. In the case of a standing forest of small trees, the preponderance of which are have a 3 sigma size distribution of 10 cm +/- 5 cm as a result of many decades of

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Keith, is this it: Woodland crafts in Britain: An account of the traditional uses of trees and timbers in the British countryside by Herbert L Edlin, Publisher: David and Charles Yes, sorry, there are two of them - British Woodland Trees, and Woodland Crafts in Britain, both by Edlin.

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

2005-03-11 Thread Greg Harbican
Look up Amaranth. The seed has all the amino acids ( in nutritional quantities ), and the young leaves, can be used raw or cooked. Greg H. - Original Message - From: jon forster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 05:29 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Greg Harbican
Still looks like a book I would like to read. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:42 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests Hello Greg Keith, is this it: Woodland crafts in Britain:

[Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith
___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/

Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Eric Hallberg
ok --- Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives

Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread DS SOULES
got it. -Dale. On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:02:14 -0500, Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

It worked! Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread JOHN SALSGIVER
- Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 15:02 Subject: [Biofuel] testing this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread Guag Meister
Hello Keith ; I really and truly have no ulterior motive for asking this question, and I'm at a loss as to understand why it has generated such controvery. It was never my intention. When I click respond, Yahoo truncates a long response message about half way through with a mwessage ==message

Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Wayne Goldsmith
On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:18 PM, DS SOULES wrote: got it. -Dale. On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:02:14 -0500, Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Wayne Goldsmith
On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Martin Klingensmith wrote: this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at

RE: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Juan Boveda
Martin. Thank you, message is OK, loud and clear. Juan. Paraguay -Mensaje original- De: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Viernes 11 de Marzo de 2005 4:02 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] testing this is a test

Re: [Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Ken
Received Thanks Ken www.ken.awarenesslife.com - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] testing this is a test ___ Biofuel mailing list

[Biofuel] Biodiesel Meeting in Edmonton, AB

2005-03-11 Thread Joanne Olafson
BIODIESEL MEETING IN EMONTON, AB We are looking for people in the Edmonton, Alberta, Canada area who are interested in making biodiesel or are already making it. Four of us have decided to call an informal meeting to explore ideas; to network; to promote the benefits of biodiesel - about

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread jm3
having problems: I normally receive digest form; and the list subscription page http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel is 404: not found. Let us know. best regards, John Maliga On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Guag Meister wrote: [snip] ___

[Biofuel] Animal fat

2005-03-11 Thread James Gillies
I have been making biodeisel from WVO for a few years, running a diesel car, a boiler and three tractors. I have used the single stage method to make several thousand litres without a problem. I have recently been offered a significant quantity of animal fat (in Australia Frytol), and while

[Biofuel] Prude's Paradise

2005-03-11 Thread knoton
From Capitol Hill Blue THE RANT Prude's Paradise By DOUG THOMPSON Mar 11, 2005, 07:55 Hallelujah!Ê Children in 61,000 elementary schools around the United States saw the new We Are Family animated video cartoon Thursday and the world as we know it did not come to an end. No reports surfaced of

[Biofuel] WHAT ///////????????

2005-03-11 Thread Glen
What happend??? I want the messages to go to the group,like always NOT to my(this) email addy, it fills up my box!!! Glen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests

2005-03-11 Thread knoton
I would like the page URL where we choose our mail options. Demian *** I'm seeing the test, and this one subject. I presume that the list is having problems: I normally receive digest form; and the list subscription page