Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Francene ... I'm glad you don't agree with all the article said. Sorry. I agree that energy independence is a myth. Just that the article says that is worthy of note, regardless of what else it says. I think it's something that's moving into general public awareness, more people will be

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
Actually, the Prius uses both DC and AC, so it depends which circuit is of concern as to which is appropriate. The battery is definitely a CD device. Cabling runs from the battery to the inverter which drives the electric motor. During charging, the driven alternator produces AC, but this has

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread bmolloy
, please fill me in, I'm confused. Regards, Bob. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francene McClintock Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2008 4:52 a.m. To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence I own a 2003 Prius. Get

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
] On Behalf Of Francene McClintock Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2008 4:52 a.m. To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence I own a 2003 Prius. Get an EMF meter and see the electromagnetic fields you and your passengers are sitting in. Those cars are dangerous. EMFs promote

[Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Francene McClintock
http://128.128.76.85/page.do?pid=12455 The Woods Hole people said there might be an ice age in western Europe because of fresh water melting into the gulf stream. This is also covered in Inconvinient Truth but not alot of emphasis is placed on it. Superficial layers of the Gulf stream are salty

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Francene http://128.128.76.85/page.do?pid=12455 Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Thanks, I've been there before. The Woods Hole people said there might be an ice age in western Europe because of fresh water melting into the gulf stream. This is also covered in Inconvinient Truth but

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Darryl McMahon
Francene, have you done the test with DC-rated equipment? Most low-cost EMF testing equipment is designed for use with AC power. What standards for health and safety are you comparing your figures to? Have you run the equivalent test on a conventional automobile in the vicinity of the

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Darryl McMahon
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Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Darryl McMahon
I have not read Blume's book, however, I do take exception to this statement, and the implicit assumption that electricity can only be produced from coal and nuclear as a universal, immutable and eternal truth. I live on the border between Ontario and Quebec. In Quebec ALL grid electricity is

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-27 Thread Doug Younker
Darryl McMahon wrote: Francene, have you done the test with DC-rated equipment? Most low-cost EMF testing equipment is designed for use with AC power. I believe the Prius does use AC. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-26 Thread Francene McClintock
87% of the US corn crop is fed to animalsclose to 20%..is sold to wealthy nations to fatten their livestock. Virtually no impoverished nation will accept our corndue to its being genetically modified and therefore unfit for human consumption. David Blume Alcohol Can be a Gas. It is in our

[Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-26 Thread Francene McClintock
I own a 2003 Prius. Get an EMF meter and see the electromagnetic fields you and your passengers are sitting in. Those cars are dangerous. EMFs promote cancer. Children are especially suseptible. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com!

[Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-26 Thread Francene McClintock
One of the worst BLACK IDEAS PAINTED GREEN is the proposition of all electric cars or plug-in hybrids. The proponents talk about how we could use little or no oil if we just plugged our cars in at night and charged their batteries at home. If you don't drive too far, the gasoline engine in the

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Francene I suggested you should use the list archives, but it seems you didn't get it. The list rules say that too. Actually it doesn't look like you got the message itself either - did you read it? I'd like a reply. The list rules say that too. The message is here:

Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence

2008-04-26 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Do you have sources for these numbers? What I have seen is that electric cars, even when run from the lousy Coal fired power plants here in Colorado, are still no worse than your average ICE car for CO2 and CO and particulates and NOx, and if run from a more modern power plant or a different fuel