Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
billion dead. Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? JD2005 wrote: Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver
The proportion of displaceable space (where the piston travels) to non-displaceable (everywhere else) has to be very high (20:1 or maybe : 22:1) to get this compression. That doesn't leave much of a: possibility to play with. (Reply) Why does the valve have to go up and down. at all? Why, instead of going up and down, it turns. The cam hits an arm at right angles to the stem causing the valve stem to rotate. On the other end is a patical dish with the valve at the end of the dish. The valve is poped down and moved side ways. When the cam lob clears the arm, the valve is returned and poped back into place. I don't think the engineers did a whole lot of thinking about ways to replace the intergated engine. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver
This is done on small 4 stroke RC engines all the time. The problem is lubricating the rotary valve and controlling leakage. RC's use lots of lube in the fuel to deal with this issue. Also standard valve has the advantage of self-sealing on compression. Not so with a rotary valve. There is always the 2 stroke Diesel if you need minimal head/valve displacement But you need a forced air supply (IE: turbo/blower) to get the air in the engine. MT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver The proportion of displaceable space (where the piston travels) to non-displaceable (everywhere else) has to be very high (20:1 or maybe : 22:1) to get this compression. That doesn't leave much of a: possibility to play with. (Reply) Why does the valve have to go up and down. at all? Why, instead of going up and down, it turns. The cam hits an arm at right angles to the stem causing the valve stem to rotate. On the other end is a patical dish with the valve at the end of the dish. The valve is poped down and moved side ways. When the cam lob clears the arm, the valve is returned and poped back into place. I don't think the engineers did a whole lot of thinking about ways to replace the intergated engine. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methane to LPG car
To liquefy methane you need to take below -200K Degrees. Its called LNG. Methane is Natural Gas. You need to compress it to around 3000Psi To get effective storage in a car/truck/bus. Depended on driving distance. MT On the other hand, people have done it - Harold Bate, Jean Pain, I'm sure many more, and without massive expensive compressors. SCUBA-type pressures might be feasible, both for cost and practicability and for distances. EVs are often hampered by short range but people use them anyway. It depends what you want I suppose. Volvo's multi-fuel vehicles (that they bashed biodiesel over) were touted to be methane-capable, how does that work, anyone know? Regards Keith -Original Message- From: biofuel-bounces at wwia.org [mailto:biofuel-bounces at wwia.org] On Behalf Of Doug Younker Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:47 PM To: biofuel at wwia.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car I think there has to be more than meets the eye on such a conversion. Propane is stored a liquid and I assume methane is as well. Can the propane tanks withstand the pressure required to liquefy methane? Propane contains more energy than methane, will you realize a net savings? In any event I would guess you would have to adjust the fuel/air metering. Doug - Original Message - From: bioteo at 200iq.com To: biofuel at wwia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car : I have an old petrol car (75 mercedes 230.4) converted to LPG recently. : But In the last few months the price of LPG has started to rise. I am : wondering if it is possible to use methane instead of LPG? : : I have a fridge compressor that I can compress the methane in to tanks, : the could I just connect the tank instead of the LPG tank? : : Could somebody tell me if this is doable with ease or would I need to : further convert the engine. : : Thanks : Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
billion dead. Do they? Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? It's all nonsense anyway, there's plenty of room for everyone EXCEPT THE GREEDY (and wasteful), who're quite a small minority. Check it out - eg: 12 Myths About Hunger Myth 1 -- Not Enough Food to Go Around. Reality -- Abundance, not scarcity, best describes the world's food supply. Enough wheat, rice and other grains are produced to provide every human being with 3,500 calories a day. That doesn't even count many other commonly eaten foods -- vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, fruits, grass-fed meats, and fish. Enough food is available to provide at least 4.3 pounds of food per person a day worldwide: two and half pounds of grain, beans and nuts, about a pound of fruits and vegetables, and nearly another pound of meat, milk and eggs -- enough to make most people fat! So why do so many go hungry? 12 Myths About Hunger and The Myth of Scarcity are essential reading -- based on World Hunger: 12 Myths, 2nd Edition, by Frances Moore Lapp, Joseph Collins and Peter Rosset, with Luis Esparza (fully revised and updated, Grove/Atlantic and Food First Books, Oct. 1998). 12 Myths About Hunger http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/backgrdrs/1998/s98v5n3.html The Myth of Scarcity http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/backgrdrs/1998/w98v5n1.html Also: Not so. Go and study the eco-footprinting sites. You'll see that it's only the OECD countries that have such enormous feet. Most countries fit their resources with room to spare. The worldwide average per capita footprint is 2.4 hectares, or 6 acres... About 80% of humanity's total eco-footprint is taken up by 97.5% of the population. The other 20% of the global human eco-footprint is taken by only 2.5% of the world population. These are the few who have far too much. Without them, the overshoot would go back to zero -- we'd still be sustainable, though only just. The ecological footprint of the average American is 12 hectares, 30 acres. The average Canadian needs one third less, and the average Italian 55% less. [more] http://journeytoforever.org/edu_footprint.html Eco-footprint: Journey to Forever See also: Energy consumption http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse On a per capita basis, the US uses 5.4 times more than its fair share of the world's energy, the EU 2.6 times its share, Germany 2.6 times its share, France 2.8 times its share, Japan 2.7 times its share, Australia 3.8 times its share. India uses one-fifth of its fair share, Sudan less than one-fifth its share, Nepal less than one-fifth its share. The average American uses twice as much energy as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it. Waste waste waste. And so on and so on... JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Hard to say. Industrialisation (not an Industrial Revolution so much as an energy revolution, via steam power, with labour concentration) got well away without it. I don't think there's much evidence that, had they been developed with equal fervour, renewable energy sources would have proved that much or any less cheap and effective than fossil-fuel sources. The whole thing was deliberately skewed, time and time again. Check out alcohol fuel in the US and the (real) history of the Prohibition, for instance. If anyone could ever manage to unravel all the twistings and vested interest pressures and emerge with something vaguely resembling a comparative basis I don't think there'd be very much in it - could be wrong though, as ever. Maybe we'd have got as much done and there'd be just as many of us too, but considering that renewable energy is inclined to be locally produced rather than centrally produced (one reason it was squashed?), the effects on communities and on sustainability generally might have produced very different results and far fewer problems. Still, it's not too late yet, not quite. Best wishes Keith JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car
Hi Keith ; For a SI (Spark Ignition) engine the methane is mixed with air in a special gas/gas carburator, quite easy to make one yourself. For a diesel it is even easier if you can operate in a dual fuel mode. I did a fascinating experiment last month. I took a propane tank with a ordinary barbecue regulator, attached a long hose and stuffed the end of the hose into the air cleaner intake. Then I idled the engine. When you crack the propane valve, the rpm increases! What is happening is that the diesel fuel injector is still set for the idle position (and therefore consuming diesel at a rate consistent with an idle engine speed), but the air coming into the cylinder is now mixed with propone so has more energy and the rpm rises. Voila - duel fuel operation. Don't try this at home without parental supervision. Be careful that you don't supply more propane than the engine can consume, which could cause it to build up in the engine compartment and create an explosion hazard. Lot's of stuff on the net about this. Best Regards, Peter G. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope To liquefy methane you need to take below -200K Degrees. Its called LNG. Methane is Natural Gas. You need to compress it to around 3000Psi To get effective storage in a car/truck/bus. Depended on driving distance. MT On the other hand, people have done it - Harold Bate, Jean Pain, I'm sure many more, and without massive expensive compressors. SCUBA-type pressures might be feasible, both for cost and practicability and for distances. EVs are often hampered by short range but people use them anyway. It depends what you want I suppose. Volvo's multi-fuel vehicles (that they bashed biodiesel over) were touted to be methane-capable, how does that work, anyone know? Regards Keith -Original Message- From: biofuel-bounces at wwia.org [mailto:biofuel-bounces at wwia.org] On Behalf Of Doug Younker Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:47 PM To: biofuel at wwia.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car I think there has to be more than meets the eye on such a conversion. Propane is stored a liquid and I assume methane is as well. Can the propane tanks withstand the pressure required to liquefy methane? Propane contains more energy than methane, will you realize a net savings? In any event I would guess you would have to adjust the fuel/air metering. Doug - Original Message - From: bioteo at 200iq.com To: biofuel at wwia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car : I have an old petrol car (75 mercedes 230.4) converted to LPG recently. : But In the last few months the price of LPG has started to rise. I am : wondering if it is possible to use methane instead of LPG? : : I have a fridge compressor that I can compress the methane in to tanks, : the could I just connect the tank instead of the LPG tank? : : Could somebody tell me if this is doable with ease or would I need to : further convert the engine. : : Thanks : Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] circuit simulator
Hi all, I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. I had some circuit prototypes from a few years back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit changes. It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all love it as much as I do. It is really useful, Here's the link http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005
Mike, I have a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. Keith have repeatedly shown that the world can support a good number of more people, if we started to be smarter and less egoistic. It is very symptomatic that the population group that complains most, is the most wasteful and egoistic group of people. If we take the worst example, it must be the corporate led US, who definitely set a very telling example of the kind of disloyalty that is absolutely non-sustainable. On energy, the US is using 25% of the world resources, of which 80% are wasted by lack of efficiency and other excess behavior. On pollution they lack responsibility. On food supply they are developing methods (GM) that are more designed to monopolize food supplies, than provide any contribution to sustainability for the world. The last can threaten the whole worlds attempts to achieve any kind of sustainability. It is a totally unsustainable corporate dream, to more or less patent life and reap profits for a few in the process. It will only result in enormous conflicts, that in the end will be won by the numbers. It is no way that a small percentage of the world population can control the masses in a peaceful world. To manage the world, it must be a consensus by at least 20 to 30% of the world population, on 4% it cannot be done! If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? The Communist extremes has been adjusted, now it is the turn of the extremes of Capitalism and Corpracy to be adjusted. It is a petty that our lifes are so short, I really would have liked to see how the current challenges pan out. Hakan At 11:52 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Howdy JD, One of us has got their spurs on just a little to tight. Now I've read, and re-read, this post at least 3 times. Each time everything goes just fine, until I hit that last section. At that point, things get a little, well...I just am not making the connection. Now as far as shear numbers go, I'm with you there. I am also of the opinion that this beautiful blue marble has way too many humans running around on her surface. But, would you please clarify this sentence: If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? I am having one **ll of a time understanding what you mean here. Frankly, I don't see the relationship between fossil fuels, renewable energy sources and the current population. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid? Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What is factory farming?
Well said. Thanks. --- Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair? Maybe, Phillip, but is it practical and applicable? Not to overwhelm the natural resources over the generations, something had to keep the human population in check. What where those events and are they something modern day man would accept? Sounding like a stuck record, there is a finite number of humans the earth can support in the manner the Yokuts did. The day of expansion to new areas of resources has long passed, unless colonization in space is over the horizon. For quite some time now man by, agriculture and animal husbandry has been able to coerce the Earth to support our growing numbers and perhaps by wiser use man may be able to extend the current period, but for how much longer? Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is good for the GM customers and GM employees is what's good for GM and America. - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What is factory farming? : The San Joaquin Valley California lands and farms are : facing the same issues - urban pressure. May we look : at other countries for some examples of how family : farms survived over many many generations? Perhaps : others on this listserv can provide examples. For : example, the California Yokut indigenous tribes of : Califonria survied for thousands of years in the : Central Valley basin of California. Is it fair to : compare their ability to sustain over multiple : generations by living with nature VS the modern : society of mixed urban and agriculture and material : gain vs. other? : : http://bss.sfsu.edu/calstudies/NativeWebPages/yokut%20page.html : : Respectfully Submitted : Phillip Wolfe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] was: Too many People
on 3/9/05 5:23 PM, Hakan Falk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? Limiting the number of allowed offspring seems reasonable, with infanticide punished, of course. Disease and starvation will take their own toll, without any ghoulish sorting except poverty itself. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
on 3/9/05 5:42 AM, Kim Garth Travis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, we are not hypocrites, but totally aware of what it takes to get factory meat to the table..I do not send my animals out to be slaughtered because I do not like the way the local processor treats the animals. I am taking responsibility for my food. I hear you -- my sister's a vegan, but she eats her own eggs (ie, her CHICKENs' eggs :-)) because she knows they're well-treated. Far be it for me to preach vegetarianism -- that would be extremely hypocritical. But it's an issue I'm addressing now. Why eat lower lifeforms at all? Dirt would be best, plants next, animals last if ever. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
...not bad. As as student I was exposed to all the mainstream simulators (p-spice, microcap, etc.). But there is one that I've been using for about five years called TINA Pro. It is the most comprehensive simulator package that I've seen so far that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. http://www.designsoftware.com/ Last time I checked, it was $50.00 and there is a student version that you can download for free! Mike info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. I had some circuit prototypes from a few years back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit changes. It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all love it as much as I do. It is really useful, Here's the link http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. The way I think .. and why I think that must be understood before I can begin to understand the concept of change. If I can begin to grasp the programming that goes into my thinking, perhaps I can begin to re-think .. or just actually begin to think. Most of what I do is react based upon a lifetime of programming .. and that doesn't really take me very far down the road. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was: Too many People Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:50:10 -0800 on 3/9/05 5:23 PM, Hakan Falk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? Limiting the number of allowed offspring seems reasonable, with infanticide punished, of course. Disease and starvation will take their own toll, without any ghoulish sorting except poverty itself. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] W/SVO stove
supply of cheap(below $10.00) Kerosene stoves/cookers,both pressurized and non-pressurized. I would like to find information on the possibility of using these stoves with W/SVO. Regards Kaydee. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
I know its does not cover everything but it is quite useful and a great teaching tool. On another level it is nothing compared to some of the software that I have seen. Just the same it gets the job done. I copied some breadboarded voltage doublers and triplers I had lying around by drawing the circuit in the api. At the time of building the original protos, I had done all sorts of modifications with real components, testing various effects on the breadboards etc. I then spent hours, studing various simulations/operating parameters on some of the circuits I m working on and the program reacts correctly and gives out real time data corresponding with my original breadboards as well as correctly simulating original operating modification specs. So it is accurate. Just as a time saver in trying out new ideas, collecting circuit data, scope shots, it does the job quite well with no fuss and its free. ---Original Message--- From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator Sent: 10 Mar 2005 02:10:04 ...not bad. As as student I was exposed to all the mainstream simulators (p-spice, microcap, etc.). But there is one that I've been using for about five years called TINA Pro. It is the most comprehensive simulator package that I've seen so far that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. http://www.designsoftware.com/ Last time I checked, it was $50.00 and there is a student version that you can download for free! Mike info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. I had some circuit prototypes from a few years back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit changes. It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all love it as much as I do. It is really useful, Here's the link http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] betacarotene and tocopherol from palm oil
betacarotene and tocopherol can extracted from palm oil. i think biodiesel price will decrease if biodiesel plant also recovery betacarotene and tocopherol from the oil. i don't know about the other vegetables oil, but i think some vegetables oil have it. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
This is an excellent book! I recommend it to everyone. It certainly opened up my eyes in the way I think, and the way I live my life. I was going through a divorce at the time and it put a lot into perspective. - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People For those of you that have not had the opportunity to read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. The way I think .. and why I think that must be understood before I can begin to understand the concept of change. If I can begin to grasp the programming that goes into my thinking, perhaps I can begin to re-think .. or just actually begin to think. Most of what I do is react based upon a lifetime of programming .. and that doesn't really take me very far down the road. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was: Too many People Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:50:10 -0800 on 3/9/05 5:23 PM, Hakan Falk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? Limiting the number of allowed offspring seems reasonable, with infanticide punished, of course. Disease and starvation will take their own toll, without any ghoulish sorting except poverty itself. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biofuel, rust and gunk
This oft stated fact begs a question: Any aspiring mechanics using B100 as a parts cleaner? How fast does B100 work its magic? I ask because I run a small auto shop as my night job and think this a better, healthier alternative to the petrol stuff. And if it will remove the gunk from bad gasoline--all the better. T On 3/9/05 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some folks have had trouble with old Mercs and other cars having lots of gunk in the tank, which biodiesel loosens up, or rust, if it's been standing for awhile, and biodiesel loosens that too. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Drying of spent wash
Hello everyone, We have to dry spent wash from distilleries in order to use the solids leftout as a fuel in the boiler. Can we have a sugestion to dry it economically ? S. Prakash ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005
Hakan, This was quite an interesting post. It is unfortunate that you have, a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. however, as long as it is still acceptable for me to choose my own sentences, I would prefer to do so, regardless of your problems. If my opinion happens to be that there are too many people on planet earth, whether I am right, or not, isn't really the point now is it? The point is that I can have, and share, my opinion freely with anyone, whether it's here in the USA, or in Africa, doesn't matter. Freedom is always the point. My reply was in response to JD2005's post. I didn't understand a particular portion of his posting, so I asked him for clarification. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005 Mike, I have a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. Keith have repeatedly shown that the world can support a good number of more people, if we started to be smarter and less egoistic. It is very symptomatic that the population group that complains most, is the most wasteful and egoistic group of people. If we take the worst example, it must be the corporate led US, who definitely set a very telling example of the kind of disloyalty that is absolutely non-sustainable. On energy, the US is using 25% of the world resources, of which 80% are wasted by lack of efficiency and other excess behavior. On pollution they lack responsibility. On food supply they are developing methods (GM) that are more designed to monopolize food supplies, than provide any contribution to sustainability for the world. The last can threaten the whole worlds attempts to achieve any kind of sustainability. It is a totally unsustainable corporate dream, to more or less patent life and reap profits for a few in the process. It will only result in enormous conflicts, that in the end will be won by the numbers. It is no way that a small percentage of the world population can control the masses in a peaceful world. To manage the world, it must be a consensus by at least 20 to 30% of the world population, on 4% it cannot be done! If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? The Communist extremes has been adjusted, now it is the turn of the extremes of Capitalism and Corpracy to be adjusted. It is a petty that our lifes are so short, I really would have liked to see how the current challenges pan out. Hakan At 11:52 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Howdy JD, One of us has got their spurs on just a little to tight. Now I've read, and re-read, this post at least 3 times. Each time everything goes just fine, until I hit that last section. At that point, things get a little, well...I just am not making the connection. Now as far as shear numbers go, I'm with you there. I am also of the opinion that this beautiful blue marble has way too many humans running around on her surface. But, would you please clarify this sentence: If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? I am having one **ll of a time understanding what you mean here. Frankly, I don't see the relationship between fossil fuels, renewable energy sources and the current population. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid? Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
thanks for the link, cool simulator! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator I know its does not cover everything but it is quite useful and a great teaching tool. On another level it is nothing compared to some of the software that I have seen. Just the same it gets the job done. I copied some breadboarded voltage doublers and triplers I had lying around by drawing the circuit in the api. At the time of building the original protos, I had done all sorts of modifications with real components, testing various effects on the breadboards etc. I then spent hours, studing various simulations/operating parameters on some of the circuits I m working on and the program reacts correctly and gives out real time data corresponding with my original breadboards as well as correctly simulating original operating modification specs. So it is accurate. Just as a time saver in trying out new ideas, collecting circuit data, scope shots, it does the job quite well with no fuss and its free. ---Original Message--- From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator Sent: 10 Mar 2005 02:10:04 ...not bad. As as student I was exposed to all the mainstream simulators (p-spice, microcap, etc.). But there is one that I've been using for about five years called TINA Pro. It is the most comprehensive simulator package that I've seen so far that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. http://www.designsoftware.com/ Last time I checked, it was $50.00 and there is a student version that you can download for free! Mike info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. I had some circuit prototypes from a few years back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit changes. It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all love it as much as I do. It is really useful, Here's the link http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver
Hi John, I'm drawing a blank wherever I look, what is a patical dish, please? The valves in engines designed with durability in mind already rotate, but I wouldn't know if they would have the force required to rotate this valve you mention. Thanks... Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is good for the GM customers and GM employees is what's good for GM and America. - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver : The proportion of displaceable space (where the piston travels) to : non-displaceable (everywhere else) has to be very high (20:1 or maybe : : 22:1) to get this compression. That doesn't leave much of a: possibility : to play with. : (Reply) : : Why does the valve have to go up and down. at all? Why, instead of going up : and down, it turns. The cam hits an arm at right angles to the stem causing : the valve stem to rotate. On the other end is a patical dish with the valve : at the end of the dish. The valve is poped down and moved side ways. When : the cam lob clears the arm, the valve is returned and poped back into place. : I don't think the engineers did a whole lot of thinking about ways to : replace the intergated engine. : Yours truly : John Wilson : Goldens : *** : Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve : : Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) : : Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm : Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm : Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm : http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm : : : In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . : After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. : : : ^^^ : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
Far out. A time saver for those who can make practical use of it, but a time waster for those of us who will use it to see what if, with no plan in mind. Any it's bookmarked here, thanks for the effort and sharing. Doug - Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] circuit simulator : : : Hi all, : : I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. : I had some circuit prototypes from a few years : back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of : modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually : duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit : changes. : It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many : different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a : time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am : now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all : love it as much as I do. It is really useful, : : Here's the link : : http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html : : : : : : : : : Get your daily alternative energy news : : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid : : news resources forums : : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Process debugging help required
I have just started working with making BioDiesel and want to refine my process - there seem to be some bugs to work out. First batch in a used blender from a local thrift store; scary as the blender started to leak everywhere at the Sodium Methoxide stage (tested it with water first; no leaks then...). The leak was slow enough - so I continued, reasoning that the oil would probably stay in the blender long enough and I could make the area safe. Overnight there was a sticky mess left at the base of the blender (now sitting in a bowl) and something a lot thinner left in the blender. Wrote it off as a disaster, however now not so sure... Take 2: Same process but mixed it by vigorously agitating in a 2L polyethylene container - again using fresh Canola oil after heating oil up to about 50degC before mixing. Seemed to work like a charm, however; 1) Product was slightly cloudy - sorty of 'fuzzy'. Is this normal? Does it just need to settle? 2) In contrast to Mike Pelly's description (Journey to Forever) the Glycerine layer was liquid and remained so until I exposed it to air. After a couple of days with the lid off - it started gelling up. Is this normal/correct? Mike seems to describe the layer as solidifying almost straight away below 38degC. I figured that this was probably, on balance, a reasonable start - so I did my first small and then large batch with waste veg. oil. I made the mistake of titrating using phenol red rather than phenolthalein (sp?) so the titration pH may have been closer to 8 than the ideal 8.5; ie. may have used too little lye. May have done. However please don't let that prejudice the jury. Small batch came out okay except the product and glycerine were both much darker in colour than the original batch colours. Glycerine was *very* dark brown. BioD layer was again a slightly fuzzy dark amber. Looked and smelled good... Consistency of both products the same as with the Canola. Both liquid down to 10degC at least (working temperature in my Garage right now (nr. Victoria, BC)). Product had same fuzziness. Then I tried the 'mix with water, shake vigorously for 10 seconds and watch for 30 mins test'. I got a load of white and the separation was *really* slow. It never cleared. My guess is that the white stuff was hydrated soaps. Tentative conclusions: --- 1) Working environment probably not the most conducive to soap freedom right now; cold/condensation being an issue. I am being careful, and this is likely less of a factor with large batches than with small. 2) Source WVO probably had water in it - it had been standing for a while. No - I did not boil it off first. 3) Titration may be a little off due to using the wrong indicator - perhaps reaction did not go far enough? I would really appreciate any help in understanding/debugging further. You could save me a lot of time, which with 2 young kids (who I want to grow up knowing about this kind of stuff, coz they are going to need it...) is at a premium. Best Don ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
CHICKENs' eggs :-)) She's ovo-vegetarian. Lacto-ovo if she also consumes milk. Not vegetarian at all if she eats fish. Kind of a contradictary identifiers altogether though. One would think that vegetarian is pretty straight forward. Guess not. Vegan is no animal products whatsoever, inclusive of honey if adhered to in the strictest manner. And then there are airians,. - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms on 3/9/05 5:42 AM, Kim Garth Travis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, we are not hypocrites, but totally aware of what it takes to get factory meat to the table..I do not send my animals out to be slaughtered because I do not like the way the local processor treats the animals. I am taking responsibility for my food. I hear you -- my sister's a vegan, but she eats her own eggs (ie, her CHICKENs' eggs :-)) because she knows they're well-treated. Far be it for me to preach vegetarianism -- that would be extremely hypocritical. But it's an issue I'm addressing now. Why eat lower lifeforms at all? Dirt would be best, plants next, animals last if ever. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 3/8/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
- Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator Just as a time saver in trying out new ideas, collecting circuit data, scope shots, it does the job quite well with no fuss and its free. AND it doesn't take up any of my demising hard drive space :) Thank you Michael for the directions to the inexpensive software applications. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
Hi All ; AND it doesn't take up any of my demising hard drive space FireFox reported that it needed the Java Runtime Environemnt. That's about 150 MEGA bytes. Are you sure about no hard disk space? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] W/SVO stove
I am in Sri Lanka on an extended holliday and have observed a plentiful supply of cheap(below $10.00) Kerosene stoves/cookers,both pressurized and non-pressurized. I would like to find information on the possibility of using these stoves with W/SVO. Regards Kaydee. The pressurised kero cookers work well with biodiesel. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Scroll down to The pre-heating tank. We've done some initial work to see if it can burn W/SVO too, but it will need some sort of pre-heating arrangement. I have some ideas that I'll be trying. The non-pressurized stoves use wicks of various sorts. Biodiesel will travel up a wick, sort of, but not very far, not more than an inch or so, so the stove needs to be modified. List member Todd Swearingen has previously suggested a donut-shaped affair as the fuel tank, with the wick in the middle and the fuel at a high level relative to the wick. A similar arrangement would be required for them to burn W/SVO, but you'd need a different sort of wick - thicker, and more loosely woven, with plenty of space for it to do its job without being pressed too tight, which the existing kerosene wick arrangements would do. We're working on these problems, but slowly, among many other things. I think a local artisan in Sri Lanka might be able to figure this out, they do some very smart things. If you do find any solutions, please let the list know. Thanks! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel, rust and gunk
This oft stated fact begs a question: Any aspiring mechanics using B100 as a parts cleaner? How fast does B100 work its magic? It does work magic - it's better than kerosene for that, IMO. Better than gasolene? Dunno, I haven't used gasolene for that in ages. How fast? Dunno that either, but it hasn't made me impatient. It's SO-O nice to use! Depending what you're trying to clean, biodiesel and the glycerine by-product are a good pair - the glyc is a champion degreaser (though somewhat caustic, rough on your hands, so take care). I ask because I run a small auto shop as my night job and think this a better, healthier alternative to the petrol stuff. And if it will remove the gunk from bad gasoline--all the better. Not from bad gasolene, it's the deposit laid down over time by petro-diesel fuel. Still, try it and see. I'm sure you'll like it. Best wishes Keith T On 3/9/05 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some folks have had trouble with old Mercs and other cars having lots of gunk in the tank, which biodiesel loosens up, or rust, if it's been standing for awhile, and biodiesel loosens that too. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Neophyte seeks advice on runing 1983 Mercedes 300SD on BD
Hello Thomas. Congratulations to a good car choice. You may have filter clogging problems in the beginning of BD use. Therefore I recommend you to move the feed pump strainer (it is a strainer, not a filter) upwards so it can be easily reached from above for swift and simple exchange. this is done by longer rubber tubes. This will simplify the filter/strainer replacements. Good luck to you ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Thomas Giguiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Neophyte seeks advice on runing 1983 Mercedes 300SD on BD Hello. I am an aspiring biodieseler with an elementary background in chemistry. I would like to run my 1983 Mercedes 300SD on biodiesel. Can anyone recomend a good formulation to use? Should I make any modifications to the vehicle before I attempt to change over to BD? Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Thomas Gigiuiere Folsom, CA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way
Hi John. In order to separate water from WVO by using a centrifuge, the most efficient way is to heat the water/WVO mix to 75-90oC and run it as a round circuit until the water content drops to a sufficiently low level. Best rgrds Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way Hi, I haven't tried this yet so it is only theory. I bought an old cream seperator(Centrifuge) and I am going to filter the wvo first then run it through the seperator and hopefully seperate any water from the WVO. Also going to try and recover Methy that way. Did you see the news on CNN that there is a country that makes a national drink from methanol called raki. WOW! ethanol is bad enough , but drink methanol that is absolutely redicilous. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way?
It is not recommendable with water together with SVO, WVO or BD for that matter. The oils consist from esters which are sensible to hydrolysis. This means that parts of the oil will crack by the influence of water. A water content too high will cause: 1) Severe filter clogging problems since many of the compounds formed by the hydrolysis are in solid shape, not liquid. 2) Corrosion in the fuel system, since many of the hydrolysis products are bound to be sour. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: R Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way? This is a good question. I have found that gravity will take most of the free water out in time. Warming the oil to about 140degF speeds up the process. The use of a centrifuge speeds it up even further (but can be costly unless you stumble into a good deal on one). I know some folks are using some vacuum setups to lower the boiling point, and using flash evaporators and or thin film evaporators, but I wonder if it is needed. (As a side question...how much more efficient is a vacuum assisted evaporator from a total energy usage standpoint, than just heat, after all one must use energy to create the vacuum?) There still seems to be some debate over how dry the oil needs to be. For WVO/SVO fuel systems, I am not positive that small quantities of water are all that problematic...after all there are water injection systems out there, and a few companies that sell diesel /water emulsifiers in order to suspend water into diesel fuel as a method of altering combustion temperature to reduce NOX emissions. So from a combustion standpoint..seems that small amounts of water will simply turn to steam. Free water over time can collect in the fuel system and cause freeze issues, and corrode internal components of injection systems...but if you are running a dual tank WVO system, switching back to diesel prior to shutdown, there should not be water sitting in the injection system. Does a small amount of water affect the lubricity value of the WVO?..perhaps..but with the initial lubricity of WVO being so high, I suspect there is a bit of room to play. So far I have been running 10 micron filtered gravity settled oil (about a week at around 70degF) with a heated waterblock type filter in vehicle. Very little, if any water collects in the clear bowl. I have yet to run into any problems that indicate water problems...but only topping out at around 10k miles..so nothing definitive. I understand the need to dry WVO for biodiesel production, but wonder how needed it is for straight WVO as fuel. -Rob At 08:30 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote: Hello to all: I'm wondering if anyone is using WVO and drying it before use. I filter it and it looks brite and clear but I worry that there may be water disolved in the oil. Is there a simple test for water content? Is there a simple method of removing moisture? I don't want to heat 50 gallons to 150C. Searching..___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel)[Fwd: Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
Hello Keith. The site is in Norwegian and English. Anti-oxidants are used as a reinsurance, since the temperatures of the car fuel tanks can rise to high levels. Anti-oxidants. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel)[Fwd: Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Hello Jan Hello Keith ! Of course there is a possibility that unsaturated compounds interact in the lubricating oil, but if the engine«s combustion is proper, you do not have to expect big problems. But, there are other ways for the fuel to get in contact with the engine oil: It the engine is equipped with a row pump, with one pump element per injector, there is a possibility (due to construction error) that some of the fuel slips by the pump piston entering the engine oil. Some engine manufacturers refuse to acknowledge biodiesel, because once in the oil, it will not vaporise the way ordinary diesel engine fuel does. But the to be on the safe side, cut the oil change intervals by half, which is recommended by many engine manufacturers. Maybe you even can get Castrol to analyse samples of your oil and look for signs of polymerisation. You can safely assume that the EN 14214 is technically founded, although it has its shortcomings. I'm sure it's technically founded, but I wouldn't assume that it was not also subjected to political pressures. For info on me with a high iodine number, I advice you to enter: www.scanbio.org for further information about the products of ESTRA AS. Fish-oil biodiesel... but I can't read Swedish, apologies. Do you quote any research studies there on polymerisation that might support your statement that there is no practical difference for the consumer between biodiesel made with drying oils (high iodine numbers) and biodiesel made with oils with an iodine number around or under 120? Oils with an iodine number of around or under 120 are classified as semi-drying oils, and both soy and sunflower fall into this category, with rapeseed oil (canola) at the lower end of the range. Polymerise they do, if not quite as fast as linseed oil will (why it's used in paint), as well as fish oils - see, eg: Anti-rust Paint from Fish-Scraps http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/FishPaintJTF.pdf This is what Ken Provost said here recently about linseed oil biodiesel: Being a drying oil, it will crosslink eventually in the presence of oxygen, which will cause it to thicken. I have used linseed biodiesel in my car, but only as a minor constituent (plenty of soy esters, olive esters, etc. in addition to the linseed) and only when I was prepared to empty my tank quickly (eg, a long trip where I'd have to refill with petrodiesel halfway anyway). Fish oils can have a higher iodine # than linseed oil. How do you prevent fish-oil biodiesel from drying? Making biodiesel with it doesn't affect the degree of unsaturation. Do you hydrogenate the oil? That would help, but what does it do for the melting point? The semi-drying oils will also dry, but not as quickly. Oxidation and thermal stability are one of the concerns about biodiesel of the Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch). In their field trials with biodiesel they found increased dilution and polymerisation of engine sump oil. See: FIEM report http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html Results from fleet tests in in Europe (Bosch) have shown that after 60,000 km even DIN compliant fuel can damage the fuel injection system through polymerisation. I know of one such case of injector pump damage through polymerised fuel after only 40,000 km on B100. I think that if the EU's EN 14214 standard was entirely tchnically founded it might have excluded rapeseed oil; instead it has an IV cut-off of 120 and stipulates quite strict Oxidation stability levels, the only biodiesel standard specification to do so (though Australia has now followed suit). That looks like a compromise that allows for rapeseed oil as a feedstock and tries to limit the damage. There seems to have been a lot of trade in biodiesel anti-oxidants in Europe since EN 14214 was announced. Some American companies are also starting to offer biodiesel anti-oxidants - what do they know about soy biodiesel that we don't know (but are trying to find out)? Best wishes Keith Best wishes Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel)[Fwd: Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its
Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005
Mike, Isn't it wonderful with the freedom of raising your opinion and if you think that I in anyway want to take it away from you, it must be a misunderstanding. It is my understanding also, that any posts on a public forum is addressed to the whole forum for evaluation and responses, not for private communication between individuals. Why I have the problem with the sentence, is because it is genuine discrimination. In which way do we decide who the too many are and how do we decide who are not too many? Since you have the opinion, you maybe also have the answer on my question. We had a suggestion that poverty would be a condition for the selection of the too many. This suggest that your footprint is a selection criteria, poor = too many. It might be both the historical and current situation. It is maybe also the unavoidable future, but we could actually erase poverty if we wanted. The current distribution of wealth is at the moment so unbalanced, that the wealth of the few richest individuals in the world is enough to erase poverty. To erase poverty would not even have any negative effects or major sacrifices for the res of the world. The UN initiatives in this direction argues and prove that. Hakan At 05:56 AM 3/10/2005, you wrote: Hakan, This was quite an interesting post. It is unfortunate that you have, a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. however, as long as it is still acceptable for me to choose my own sentences, I would prefer to do so, regardless of your problems. If my opinion happens to be that there are too many people on planet earth, whether I am right, or not, isn't really the point now is it? The point is that I can have, and share, my opinion freely with anyone, whether it's here in the USA, or in Africa, doesn't matter. Freedom is always the point. My reply was in response to JD2005's post. I didn't understand a particular portion of his posting, so I asked him for clarification. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005 Mike, I have a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. Keith have repeatedly shown that the world can support a good number of more people, if we started to be smarter and less egoistic. It is very symptomatic that the population group that complains most, is the most wasteful and egoistic group of people. If we take the worst example, it must be the corporate led US, who definitely set a very telling example of the kind of disloyalty that is absolutely non-sustainable. On energy, the US is using 25% of the world resources, of which 80% are wasted by lack of efficiency and other excess behavior. On pollution they lack responsibility. On food supply they are developing methods (GM) that are more designed to monopolize food supplies, than provide any contribution to sustainability for the world. The last can threaten the whole worlds attempts to achieve any kind of sustainability. It is a totally unsustainable corporate dream, to more or less patent life and reap profits for a few in the process. It will only result in enormous conflicts, that in the end will be won by the numbers. It is no way that a small percentage of the world population can control the masses in a peaceful world. To manage the world, it must be a consensus by at least 20 to 30% of the world population, on 4% it cannot be done! If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? The Communist extremes has been adjusted, now it is the turn of the extremes of Capitalism and Corpracy to be adjusted. It is a petty that our lifes are so short, I really would have liked to see how the current challenges pan out. Hakan At 11:52 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Howdy JD, One of us has got their spurs on just a little to tight. Now I've read, and re-read, this post at least 3 times. Each time everything goes just fine, until I hit that last section. At that point, things get a little, well...I just am not making the connection. Now as far as shear numbers go, I'm with you there. I am also of the opinion that this beautiful blue marble
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way
When you say : /heat the water/WVO mix to 75-90oC and run it as a round circuit until the water content drops to a sufficiently low level./ From the above statement I envision a closed system like a hot water tank type heater with an attached pump slowly circulating the WVO. What flow rate would you consider appropriate when shopping for a pump to do this and how are measuring the water content? Regards Norm Fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manitoba - Hi John. In order to separate water from WVO by using a centrifuge, the most efficient way is to heat the water/WVO mix to 75-90oC and run it as a round circuit until the water content drops to a sufficiently low level. Best rgrds Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way Hi, I haven't tried this yet so it is only theory. I bought an old cream seperator(Centrifuge) and I am going to filter the wvo first then run it through the seperator and hopefully seperate any water from the WVO. Also going to try and recover Methy that way. Did you see the news on CNN that there is a country that makes a national drink from methanol called raki. WOW! ethanol is bad enough , but drink methanol that is absolutely redicilous. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** snip... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very sick when we cut out all meat. Just eating dairy and eggs is not enough. Besides, I do need the manure from my animals to fix my burnt out land. If you read through the small farms section of JTF, you will find all kinds of information about this. The only cure I have found for cotton rot in the land is blood and offal. When I asked Texas AM how to cure cotton rot, they told me it could not be done. Well I did it. There are many reasons as to why to eat meat. Good 100% grass fed beef and lamb has Omega 3s and lots of CLA that keeps you healthy. It also does not have the mercury that fish has these days. I know that some people can stay healthy as vegetarians, but not many. I know I read a study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans, on average. At 07:55 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: I hear you -- my sister's a vegan, but she eats her own eggs (ie, her CHICKENs' eggs :-)) because she knows they're well-treated. Far be it for me to preach vegetarianism -- that would be extremely hypocritical. But it's an issue I'm addressing now. Why eat lower lifeforms at all? Dirt would be best, plants next, animals last if ever. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Process debugging help required
you noted in your description and all should go well. A tropical fish store will have test strips that work in a narrow range that includes 8.5, or a garden store has a ph meter tor quite cheap. Good luck from another beginner! Chris Kueny Cayce, SC 2) Source WVO probably had water in it - it had been standing for a while. No - I did not boil it off first. 3) Titration may be a little off due to using the wrong indicator - perhaps reaction did not go far enough? I would really appreciate any help in understanding/debugging further. You could save me a lot of time, which with 2 young kids (who I want to grow up knowing about this kind of stuff, coz they are going to need it...) is at a premium. Best Don ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
snip I know I read a study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans, on average. It must not have been this one: :) After adjusting for smoking, body mass index, and social class, death rates were lower in non-meat-eaters than in meat eaters for each of the mortality endpoints studied [relative risks and 95% CIs: 0.80 (0.65, 0.99) for all causes of death, 0.72 (0.47, 1.10) for ischemic heart disease, and 0.61 (0.44, 0.84) for all malignant neoplasms]. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/525S?ck=nck -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] off topic ; Annan: Hizb Allah must be factored in
Annan: Hizb Allah must be factored in The UN must recognise Hizb Allah as an important factor in implementing the resolution calling for Syria's full withdrawal from Lebanon and the disarmament of the country's militias, Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said. The UN chief was responding to a question about the disarmament of Hizb Allah, which showed its strength on Tuesday at a huge pro-Syrian rally in Beirut attended by hundreds of thousands of people who chanted anti-US slogans. Ê Two huge banners read in English: Thank you Syria and No to foreign interference. Annan said the world needed to accept that in every society different groups may hold different views. Ê Of course, we need to be careful of the forces at work in Lebanese society as we move forward, he said. Ê But even the Hizb Allah - if I read the message on the placards they are using - they are talking about non-interference by outsiders ... which is not entirely at odds with the Security Council resolution, that there should be withdrawal of Syrian troops, Annan said. But that having been said, we need to recognise that they are a force in society that one will have to factor in as we implement the resolution, he said. Ê Outnumbered The rally by Hizb Allah vastly outnumbered anti-Syrian rallies of the past weeks. Ê --- We need to be careful of the forces at work in Lebanese society as we move forward Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary-general - The Syrian-backed Lebanese resistance group, which is funded by Iran, is the best armed and best organised faction in Lebanon and enjoys strong support among Lebanon's Shia Muslim community. Many of the signs at the rally in Riad al-Sulh square denounced UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for Syrian troops and intelligence agents to leave Lebanon immediately and demands the disarming of militias, referring to Hizb Allah. Syrian soldiers entered Lebanon in 1976 to try to quell a civil war that began the previous year. They remained through 14 years of fighting that ended in 1990, and about 14,000 are still there, though they have started pulling back to the border. No timetable Annan declined to discuss the timetable for withdrawal, saying he sent Terje Roed-Larsen, his top envoy on the Syria-Lebanon issue, to talk to top officials in Beirut and Damascus this week about the pullout and was awaiting his return. Ê After his discussion, then I will know better how we are going to proceed, Annan said. I am going to give a report to the council in April. I hope I will be able to report progress. The secretary-general was asked whether the United Nations was considering sending a force to Lebanon after the Syrian withdrawal to ensure security. The world body has a peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, but it has no mandate to operate elsewhere in the country. I've read in certain newspapers that the UN may have to send in a force to monitor the withdrawal of the Syrian troops, but I have no such mandate as of today, Annan said, adding that he was not involved in any discussions about a UN or international force for Lebanon. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel)[Fwd: Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
Hello Keith. The site is in Norwegian and English. That's www.scanbio.org? But not the subsidiary ESTRA AS site you referred to, and I didn't see anything on methyl esters made with high IV oils, or at least not in English. Do you have a direct url please? Anti-oxidants are used as a reinsurance, since the temperatures of the car fuel tanks can rise to high levels. Anti-oxidants. Anti-oxidants. That's it? As a reinsurance? Sorry, Jan, this isn't very clear to me, and it seems rather insubstantial. You said that for the consumer there is no practical difference between biodiesel made from high IV oils (drying oils) and biodiesel made from oils with an iodine number around or under 120 (semi-drying oils). What are you saying now, that drying oils don't dry? But you add anti-oxidants anyway just to be sure because the fuel tanks get hot? I'm sorry, that's not very convincing. Can you be any more convincing than that? Do you have any research to support the idea that fish oil biodiesel (IV up to 185 or more), for instance, won't polymerise in the engine (which gets a lot hotter than the fuel tank)? I understand that there's an upper limit to the extent adding an anti-oxidant can prevent polymerisation - not a magic bullet. Do you have any involvement with ESTRA AS, or with the production or marketing of fish oil biodiesel? Regarding this, by the way, in your previous message: But the to be on the safe side, cut the oil change intervals by half, which is recommended by many engine manufacturers. Maybe you even can get Castrol to analyse samples of your oil and look for signs of polymerisation. There's been quite a lot of previous discussion here on greatly extending the intervals between oil changes while decreasing engine wear, mainly by the use of bypass filters and oil tests, even to the extent of never changing the oil, just topping it up occasionally. I think most of us would see halving the interval as a poor trade-off against using high-IV biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel)[Fwd: Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Hello Jan Hello Keith ! Of course there is a possibility that unsaturated compounds interact in the lubricating oil, but if the engine«s combustion is proper, you do not have to expect big problems. But, there are other ways for the fuel to get in contact with the engine oil: It the engine is equipped with a row pump, with one pump element per injector, there is a possibility (due to construction error) that some of the fuel slips by the pump piston entering the engine oil. Some engine manufacturers refuse to acknowledge biodiesel, because once in the oil, it will not vaporise the way ordinary diesel engine fuel does. But the to be on the safe side, cut the oil change intervals by half, which is recommended by many engine manufacturers. Maybe you even can get Castrol to analyse samples of your oil and look for signs of polymerisation. You can safely assume that the EN 14214 is technically founded, although it has its shortcomings. I'm sure it's technically founded, but I wouldn't assume that it was not also subjected to political pressures. For info on me with a high iodine number, I advice you to enter: www.scanbio.org for further information about the products of ESTRA AS. Fish-oil biodiesel... but I can't read Swedish, apologies. Do you quote any research studies there on polymerisation that might support your statement that there is no practical difference for the consumer between biodiesel made with drying oils (high iodine numbers) and biodiesel made with oils with an iodine number around or under 120? Oils with an iodine number of around or under 120 are classified as semi-drying oils, and both soy and sunflower fall into this category, with rapeseed oil (canola) at the lower end of the range. Polymerise they do, if not quite as fast as linseed oil will (why it's used in paint), as well as fish oils - see, eg: Anti-rust Paint from Fish-Scraps http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/FishPaintJTF.pdf This is what Ken Provost said here recently about linseed oil biodiesel: Being a drying oil, it will crosslink eventually in the presence of oxygen, which will cause it to thicken. I have used linseed biodiesel in my car, but only as a minor constituent (plenty of soy esters, olive esters, etc. in addition to the linseed) and only when I was prepared to empty my tank quickly (eg, a long trip where I'd have to refill with petrodiesel halfway anyway). Fish oils can have a higher iodine # than linseed oil. How do you prevent fish-oil biodiesel from drying? Making biodiesel with it doesn't affect the degree of unsaturation. Do you hydrogenate the oil?
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way?
It is not recommendable with water together with SVO, WVO or BD for that matter. The oils consist from esters which are sensible to hydrolysis. This means that parts of the oil will crack by the influence of water. A water content too high will cause: 1) Severe filter clogging problems since many of the compounds formed by the hydrolysis are in solid shape, not liquid. 2) Corrosion in the fuel system, since many of the hydrolysis products are bound to be sour. Once hydrolosis has taken its course perhaps. But there is always water in biodiesel. The various standards set upper limits of 500-600ppm, but Camillo Holecek of Energea in Austria told us that no matter how dry you get it, it will quickly reabsorb water from the atmosphere to an average of about 1,500ppm, and that's what you'll have in the tank. That seems to be correct, and it doesn't seem to hasten hydrolosis. Frankly, I'm beginning to think all the cautions about degraded biodiesel are a myth, because I can't persuade any to degrade, and I'm not the only one. Maybe it has more to do with the commercial industry's use of the petro-diesel storage and delivery infastructure, which isn't all that great. We've had this discussion here about water content, water emulsions and water injection before a few times, there is quite a lot of information in the archives. For instance: http://www.dieselnet.com/ Water in Diesel Combustion [subscriber access] DieselNet Technology Guide È Engine Design for Low Emissions Water in Diesel Combustion Abstract: Addition of water to the diesel process decreases combustion temperatures and lowers NOx emissions. The most common methods of introducing water are direct injection into the cylinder, a process commercialized in certain marine and stationary diesel engines, and water-in-fuel emulsions. Emulsified fuels, due to increased mixing in the diesel diffusion flame, can be also effective in simultaneous reduction of PM and NOx emissions. Addition of Water to Diesel Process Fumigation of Water into Intake Air Direct Injection of Water Fuel Emulsions Practical Embodiments [more...] http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041115/002962.html Water Emulsions - Water-fuel emulsions are one of the few methods that can simultaneously control PM and NOx emissions. Depending on the engine, emulsions containing 20% water can reduce PM emissions by as much as 50%. It should be noted that other methods of water addition, such as direct injection, are not effective in controlling PM. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37764/ [Scroll down.] Here's a roundup below of some stuff we've had previously and some other stuff, on both water injection and water-fuel emulsions... http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30409/ The US EPA lists 23 studies of water emulsions with dino-diesel: Following is a list of studies that are being considered for inclusion in work being done by EPA to assess the effects of water-fuel emulsions on emissions of oxides of nitrogen (NOx), hydrocarbons (HC), and particulate matter (PM). http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/emulsion/emulbibl.pdf We've also had reports of successful use of biodiesel-alcohol-water mixes in Australia, on quite a large scale. As for hydrolosis, you're probably quite safe if you use it in a month or two, probably longer. Joe, re WVO: Hello to all: I'm wondering if anyone is using WVO and drying it before use. I filter it and it looks brite and clear but I worry that there may be water disolved in the oil. Is there a simple test for water content? Is there a simple method of removing moisture? I don't want to heat 50 gallons to 150C. Searching..___ Heat it to 60 deg C for 15 minutes then let it settle, at least overnight; draw from the top. Heating to high temps like 150 deg C can lock that water in there rather than boiling it off. If 60 deg C doesn't work you probably shouldn't be using that oil in an SVO system - find better oil. 60 deg C is safer too, no steam explosions. A quick test is to heat a little of the oil in a saucepan; if there's water it will start to crackle at 50 deg C or less; if it reaches 60-65 deg C and still no crackling then you don't have a water problem. And, as Rob says, if you do have a water problem, maybe it's not a problem after all. Best wishes Keith Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: R Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Drying WVO - Is there a simple way? This is a good question. I have found that gravity will take most of the free water out in time. Warming the oil to about 140degF speeds up the process. The use of a centrifuge speeds it up even further (but can be costly unless you stumble into a good deal on one). I know some folks are
Re: [Biofuel] What is factory farming?
I have been thinking about the problems with factory farms vs sustainable farms. I appears, to me at least, that the debate has an erroneous assumption; that all large farms are factory and that most small farms are sustainable. This is totally false. I have seen some small 5 to 7 acre homesteads that can outdo any large farm for pollution. The worst offenders I have seen are the people who raise ducks and geese, by the hundreds on a couple of acres. I have also seen a 5000 acre farm, farmed by 3 generations of a family that is moving steadily towards true sustainability. Incorporating the use of chicken tractors for fertility, goats for weed control and other measure to nurture the land of a huge dairy and beef cattle farm. As more and more intentional communities are formed, we are seeing more and more large sustainable farms. It has become clear that we need to look beyond the size and output of a farm to decide what type it actually is. Bright Blessigns, Kim Aarghhh! Kim! You misspelt Blessigns! The sky will fall on our heads! LOL! (Well, it seems it will anyway, no use blaming you...) Anyway... The ley farms I've been talking of are not small farms, up to a thousand acres and more. These are sustainable farms and they're humane. See: Ley Farming http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley (So glad you like our Farm library.) On the other hand, all you need for battery chickens is a shed. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very sick when we cut out all meat. Just eating dairy and eggs is not enough. Besides, I do need the manure from my animals to fix my burnt out land. If you read through the small farms section of JTF, you will find all kinds of information about this. The only cure I have found for cotton rot in the land is blood and offal. When I asked Texas AM how to cure cotton rot, they told me it could not be done. Well I did it. There are many reasons as to why to eat meat. Good 100% grass fed beef and lamb has Omega 3s and lots of CLA that keeps you healthy. It also does not have the mercury that fish has these days. I know that some people can stay healthy as vegetarians, but not many. I know I read a study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans, on average. Try these Kim. http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html Myths and Truths- About Vegetarianism(by Stephen Byrnes, ND, PhD, RNCP) The Myths Of Vegetarianism by Stephen Byrnes, PhD, RNCP Originally published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors Patients, July 2000. This paper is posted at http://www.powerhealth.net/selected_articles.htm http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm The Great Fallacies of Vegetarianism http://www.chetday.com/b12.html Vitamin B12 and the Hallelujah Diet http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminasaga.html Basic Nutrition: Vitamin A Saga ... A key player in this fascinating story is Weston A. Price, who discovered that the diets of healthy traditional peoples contained at least ten times as much vitamin A as the American diet of his day. His work revealed that vitamin A is one of several fat-soluble activators present only in animal fats and necessary for the assimilation of minerals in the diet. He noted that the foods held sacred by the peoples he studied, such as spring butter, fish eggs and shark liver, were exceptionally rich in vitamin A. [more] http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsID.760/healthissue_detail.asp ACSH Health Issues an Volume 9 Number 2 1997 Why I Am Not a Vegetarian by Dr. William T. Jarvis http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/nasty_brutish_short.html Traditional Diets-Nasty, Brutish and Short In order to believe that our society has progressed, we must believe first that the lives of our ancestors were indeed nasty, brutish and short. But, as study after study has confirmed, the health of traditional peoples was vastly superior to that of modern industrial man. [more] Best wishes Keith At 07:55 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: I hear you -- my sister's a vegan, but she eats her own eggs (ie, her CHICKENs' eggs :-)) because she knows they're well-treated. Far be it for me to preach vegetarianism -- that would be extremely hypocritical. But it's an issue I'm addressing now. Why eat lower lifeforms at all? Dirt would be best, plants next, animals last if ever. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Factory farms vs. large cities
Hi, Relax...nothing was personal... you brought up some valid stuff, and basically everyone is agreeing with you...but, also trying to point out some additional nuances to all this. One of my beefs, has been all the waste associated with herd culls in the UK and elsewhere to halt the spread of disease. I don't recall the actual numbers, but I think it was in the million head of cattle range that were put down during the mad cow scare. IIRC there was a similar huge culling when swine flu was detected in the UK. When the Nipah virus was loose in Indonesia many thousands of pigs were destroyed. Currently they have been putting down millions of chickens due to the fear of bird flu in Southeast Asia. I'm sure there are many more examples. Although I understand the need to stop the spread of disease, the sight of all those animals just bulldozed into trenches is to me the epitomy of horrible waste. How much better if they could have been rendered to biodiesel. Appalling, really, and on some occasions it was an overreaction, and/or as much to do with politics as with veterinary science. There was this: As part of a programme to assess bio-diesel production from low-cost materials, the availability of waste oils and fats in Ireland and the EU was assessed, and the behaviour of their esters in vehicles was measured. The utilisation of beef tallow from BSE risk organisms was given special attention. From: Cost Reduction in Bio-Diesel Production B. Rice, A. Frhlich and R. Leonard Crops Research Centre, Oak Park, Carlow ISBN 1 84170 050 9 May 1999 http://www.teagasc.ie/research/reports/crops/4321/eopr-4321.htm Teagasc - Project Report - 4321 - Cost Reduction in Bio-Diesel Production But I don't know if it was ever used for BSE, or if any BSE cattle were used for any sort of energy generation, though a bell rings about BSE cattle and a powerplant in France. (Just think, we might have had a Toyota Prion diesel hybrid, LOL!) For the rest, a horrible waste indeed, and just plain horrible with it. I really don't know what further symptoms we require of a sick agriculture, which means a sick everything else too, including us. Read this, and say Progress. :-( The Medical Testament http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#medtest Regards Keith Regards, Derek -- Original message -- From: Bo Lozoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aw, come on guys! Please don't try to turn me into a cardboard stereotypical snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
check this website: www.ishmael.com - the website was started when the book was published. And yes, I also have very high regard for the book Ishmael. I totally agree with Marylynn: and you are interested in this subject...then reading this is a must. Regards, Joanne - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People From: Marylynn Schmidt For those of you that have not had the opportunity to read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. Is this the one about mother earth getting her revenge.I can't think of the name they use for mother earth though. JD2005 [cut and paste:] Stop, Rewind; I seem to have hit a major nerve ganglion which has triggered a very mixed but passionate response from everybody.I should clarify what I believe. I believe that had we utilised renewables and lived a less urbane (hope this is what I mean, squalid town/city based existence) but natural existence communing with nature and the like there would be fewer people. That's what I believe.I do not believe that there should be mass exterminations or a maximum age or anything like that at all. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Haken Falk and Anti-fossil
JD2005, Sorry if I came on too hard, because I do understand what you mean. That is that it is too many born to this world, not that it is too many running around. Birth control and family planning is very different, from saying that some of us are too many. I do think that it is very important to be careful with this kind of expressions, because many genocides started with what looks like harmless expressions. I also wanted to point out that this kind of expressions are made by people who live in societies where the individual footprint is maybe 100 times larger than in developing societies. The biggest problem is the irresponsible energy waste and pollution, not over population, and something must be done about it. Hakan At 11:19 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: May I start by saying I do not wish to have a fallacious exchange with anybody. I maintain, there are too many people.If, because I believe that, that makes me a bad person, well, I will just have to burden that.Yet; ' no see ', it's not the likes of me who are going around killing everybody. Is it! In my defence I think what I wrote was written in as diplomatic a format as possible and think what I wrote needed writing. JD2005 n.b, I should mention that the manner and tennor of what these two people have posted has not come across as they intended it too. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Is Methane Production in Urban conditions possible?
Does anyone produce methane in urban conditions? Can i produce enough methane to run my car? How large a processor would i need and what could i feed it with? Old newspapers and food scraps and grass once in a while from the appartments garden... For the car im thinking of large tank that i will use 2 or three fridge compressors in series to compress the gas to about 40 atm. Thanks Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
through time. No, Ishmael has nothing to do with any revenge. .. what it did for me was take just about everything I thought I knew and turn it upside down. I've seen it in my local library so it shouldn't be difficult to find .. very easy read and a lot to digest. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:22:26 -0800 From: Marylynn Schmidt For those of you that have not had the opportunity to read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. Is this the one about mother earth getting her revenge.I can't think of the name they use for mother earth though. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Haken Falk and Anti-fossil
May I start by saying I do not wish to have a fallacious exchange with anybody. I maintain, there are too many people.If, because I believe that, that makes me a bad person, well, I will just have to burden that.Yet; ' no see ', it's not the likes of me who are going around killing everybody. Is it! In my defence I think what I wrote was written in as diplomatic a format as possible and think what I wrote needed writing. JD2005 n.b, I should mention that the manner and tennor of what these two people have posted has not come across as they intended it too. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
From: Marylynn Schmidt For those of you that have not had the opportunity to read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. Is this the one about mother earth getting her revenge.I can't think of the name they use for mother earth though. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the several Billion dead one
Stop, Rewind; I seem to have hit a major nerve ganglion which has triggered a very mixed but passionate response from everybody.I should clarify what I believe. I believe that had we utilised renewables and lived a less urbane (hope this is what I mean, squalid town/city based existence) but natural existence communing with nature and the like there would be fewer people. That's what I believe.I do not believe that there should be mass exterminations or a maximum age or anything like that at all. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Ray in Atlanta GA? What are you going to do with them? The powers that be want several billion dead. Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
tallex wrote, most computers have the java runtime environment installed at least. If you don't have java installed on your computer, you are missing out on significant content on the net. The install space is insignificant on any windows platform running at least 600. The simulator runs fine in most environments. If you are having problems, use IE 5+ and it works fine. tallex ---Original Message--- From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator Sent: 10 Mar 2005 09:33:56 Hi All ; AND it doesn't take up any of my demising hard drive space FireFox reported that it needed the Java Runtime Environemnt.ÊÊThat's about 150 MEGA bytes.ÊÊAre you sure about no hard disk space? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Biodiesel wash water
The following is in response to an off-list inquiry on how to determine when waste wash water has been sufficiently treated to remove soaps prior to release. It's posted here for anyone's benefit. Todd Swearingen ... Ahab, For the initial immediacy, I would suggest that you pick up a small bag of what is known as slaked lime (calcium hydroxide). It dissolves in water at a rate of ~0.19 grams per 100 ml. Keep it in an airtight container after opening as it will turn to calcium carbonate, insoluble in water. Follow this thought. If you use virgin oil in your transesterification, you'll use sodium catalyst at the approximate rate of 3.5 grams per liter of oil, or potassium catalyst at the rate of 4.9 grams per liter of oil. Most of that catalyst will bind with oil and drop out as soap in the glyc cocktail. But presume for a moment that none of it did, that all of it remained in the biodiesel and that it all came out in the wash water. That would be a maximum of 3.5 or 4.9 grams of catalyst that would have to be removed from the waste water for every liter of oil processed, depending upon whether you used sodium or potassium as the catalyst. If you used sodium you would calculate the 1:1 molecular ratio as 74.093 / 39.997, which is 1.852 grams of calcium hydroxide for every gram of sodium hydroxide used. The maximum amount of calcium hydroxide you would use is 1.852 x 3.5, or 6.484 grams. If you used potassium you would calculate the 1:1 molecular ratio as 74.093 / 56.106, which is 1.321 grams of calcium hydroxide for every gram of sodium hydroxide used. The maximum amount of calcium hydroxide you would use is 1.321 x 4.9, or 6.471 grams. In both cases, the amount of calcium hydroxide needed to displace either the potassium or the sodium is the same (give or take a miniscule mathematic variance due to the numbers of significant figures used). What you're doing is replacing one ion for another and/or bonding one ion to one soap molecule at a 1:1 ratio. The molecular weight of calcium hydroxide is 74.093. The molecular weight of sodium hydroxide is 39.997. The molecular weight of sodium hydroxide is 56.106. But we both know that most of the catalyst drops out in the glyc cocktail, either as methoxide or as soap. Very little of the original catalyst remains in the biodiesel. In turn, very little - relatively speaking - gets mixed into the wash water. So presume that 5% of your original catalyst ends up in the wash water. (You're still operating under the premise of using virgin oil and only 3.5 grams of NaOH or 4.9 grams of KOH per liter of oil.) Five percent NaOH times 3.5 grams NaOH times 1.852 grams calcium hydroxide is 0.3241 grams of calcium hydroxide needed to extract the soluble soap for every liter of oil processed. Part of it will come out as soap scum (calcium bonded to the sodium x-oate (sodium soap)). Part of it will come out as calcium x-oate (calcium soap). You would duplicate the same procedure if using KOH as catalyst, adjusting for its molecular weight, or if using different amounts of catalyst in the original reaction. But mind you, this is only a 5% for instance calculation. The real problem resides with having no idea of precisely how much soap may be in a given sample of waste water. Those who use fresh water for each wash will have different concentrations of soap in each batch of waste water unless the allow all their waste water to aggregate before testing. Those who conduct straight base processing will have different concentrations of soap compared to those who conduct acid/base, which makes less soap and more biodiesel per unit of feedstock input. There are three ways to determine how much calcium hydroxide (or magnesium sulfate) to add and when all the soaps have been either pulled out as scum or converted to non-water soluble soaps. The easiest is to use a calmagite indicator, similar in manner to phenol red, but specifically designed to turn red when calcium or magnesium are present. The next option would be to monitor a pH curve. The third option would be to dry the non-soluble scum/soap that forms and check the weight coming from each of a set of bracket samples. Bracket samples would be set up under a premise of perhaps 1.25% of the initial catalyst ending up in the wash water as soap, then 2.5%, then 3.75%, then 5.0%. This is a rather inaccurate method. But after all the drying and weighing is done, there should be enough of an idea as to whether or not the bracket sampling needs to be reconducted based upon premise of higher or lower soap volumes in the wash water than presumed in the original bracket set.. Once the soap has been removed the waste water can be neutralized with phosphoric acid and released as gray water irrigation. Preference is to not release during periods of rainfall or when the ground is frozen so as to prevent nutrients from flushing directly into drainages. One thing you should be able to see is
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Kim Garth Travis wrote: snip I know I read a study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans, on average. It must not have been this one: :) After adjusting for smoking, body mass index, and social class, death rates were lower in non-meat-eaters than in meat eaters for each of the mortality endpoints studied [relative risks and 95% CIs: 0.80 (0.65, 0.99) for all causes of death, 0.72 (0.47, 1.10) for ischemic heart disease, and 0.61 (0.44, 0.84) for all malignant neoplasms]. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/525S?ck=nck If the Relative Risk includes 1 in the confidence interval, the difference is not significant. Thus, the heart disease endpoint is not significant, the All Causes of Death endpoint may or not be significant, depending on rounding, and the malignancy endpoint is significant. I'm also very surpised that they did not control for alcohol intake in the overall analysis, as that correlates positively with meat intake and is linked to cancer risk. Skimming the actual article suggests they *did* look at alcohol intake in relation to blood lipids, but did not include it in the overall analysis. Curious. More interestingly, excluding individuals with a prior history of CVD or diabetes from the analysis completely obliterates the all cause and heart disease risk effects: [death rate ratios (and 95% CIs): 0.83 (0.48, 1.43) for ischemic heart disease and 1.02 (0.82, 1.27) for all causes of death]. Of course, one should never consider a single epidemiological study in isolation, so ignore everything I said above. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
