I am unable to secure NaOH or H2SO4 for a test batch of BD. I am to demo
this for some highschoolers on monday and i have procrastanated, aparantly
too long.
It seems Since 911 no more shipping to people. Love living in the land of
the free.
I live in the michigan Detroit area. If anyone
Reply direct if you're interested, he's not a member of the list,
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Subject: RE:
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:56:26 +0500 (IST)
From: sk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Sir,
We take pleasure in introducing ourselves as Project Management
Consultants from
I got a reply from the US DOE yesterday saying they found no merit in my
preliminary grant application. I'm a little disappointed, but thought there
might still be something of value here. If you have the time, let me know
what you think
Tom Leue
Homestead Inc.
Biomass Research and
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While we're at it, how about a discussion of the sucking
trucking industry
anyway? Just another one of the big suckers at the public teat,
truckers. We
always hear a lot of bad press for Amtrack here in the US from the
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This goes along the same lines as who should pay for airport
security?
Me? No. I don't fly. Adding $5 to every ticket won't hurt one thing.
I agree with you on that, but the way it works in the world of
trucking, is
any one had experience using biodiesel to thin svo or wvo to make a less costly
fuel. I read about using dinodiesel or kerosene as a thinner so as not to have
to heat it up to burn.
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No, sorry I just remember seeing the name Shell and I didn't save the article.
Philip
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Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently there was an article about
Shell and biodiesel on this
website - can someone please send me [EMAIL PROTECTED] a copy of
it, or put
Conrad wrote:
any one had experience using biodiesel to thin svo or wvo to make a
less costly fuel. I read about using dinodiesel or kerosene as a
thinner so as not to have to heat it up to burn.
Sure, you can do that, better than dino or kero. But I wouldn't
conclude that you don't have to
Hi Harmon
That's the first I've heard of anyone proposing to retard timing
to lower NOx
-- is anyone actually doing this? A catalytic converter would do the
job with no
loss of power or milage, and no increase in particulates. Of course, you
couldn't run our high sulfur dinodiesel thru it
Hello Ken
Well, as they say, chacun son gout. I think we're talking
a difference of temperament here, rather than a real difference
of opinion. I have great respect for anyone who can remain
optimistic these days, and I definitely appreciate this egroup,
both for the great info as well as
Anybody every investigate these people? Is this one of the Wise
Use groups?
Gretchen Randall, Director
John P. McGovern, MD Center for Environmental and Regulatory Affairs
The National Center for Public Policy Research
Contact the author at: 773-857-5086 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The National
Keith
No, sorry I just remember seeing the name Shell and I didn't save the article.
Philip
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then I'm puzzled - I don't know of Shell doing anything with
biodiesel and haven't seen such an article. Can't find anything in
the archives either. Maybe it was on another list?
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 06:13:51PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Harmon
That's the first I've heard of anyone proposing to retard timing
to lower NOx
-- is anyone actually doing this? A catalytic converter would do the
job with no
loss of power or milage, and no increase in
Kieth:
How nice of you to post (see below) the accurate remarks of mine. As you can
see, it says MANY urchins on this site. It does not say ALL on this site
are urchins. I have respect for those who strive to make this site productive
and you tops the list.
It is unfortunate that in your
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 04:26:16AM -, motie_d wrote:
I'm hesitant to jump into the middle of a hot debate, but IMHO the
reason Cummins doesn't (not can't) build better Diesel engines, is
the same reason Mercedes VW etc. won't/don't sell them here. Very
poor fuel!
Yes -- but
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 06:13:51PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Harmon
That's the first I've heard of anyone proposing to retard timing
to lower NOx
-- is anyone actually doing this? A catalytic converter would do the
job with no
loss of power or milage, and no increase in
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:18:41PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote:
Why not leave the timing alone, and add a catalytic converter?
Yes, you can do that, or both. Catalytic converters aren't too cheap
though, AFAIK. But people say their motors run better on biod with
the injection timing
Okay...Nothing more inviting in a discussion than
all-encompassing, generally sweeping statements like the one
below.
Don't suppose anyone has ever calculated the proportions of road
tax expenditures to see how much went to bicycle paths, how much
went to pot holes and by-passes and how much
Chandra
Kieth:
How nice of you to post (see below) the accurate remarks of mine. As
you can see, it says MANY urchins on this site. It does not say
ALL on this site are urchins. I have respect for those who strive
to make this site productive and you tops the list.
It is unfortunate that in
We often blend some biodiesel in with WVO in winter. Since WVO tends to be
higher viscosity than SVO, this thins it down to more like new oil and
improves flow. It still gets heated, though. In fact, heating biodiesel
itself is not a bad idea either, especially in colder weather. The cloud
point
Heres some additional excerpts that might be helpful for ethanol
Biodiesel included correlation between Cloud/Pour Points BD Cetane **
Alternatives to Traditional Transportation Fuels: An Overview
June 1994
149 page, 1239K PDF
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/alternativefuels/0585o.pdf
hello Keith:
you can see a small and not expensive oil press at www.savoiapower.com/tiny.html
Carlos
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information
I am knew in thsi
Hoagy you're a mine of information, and it just keeps right on
coming! Thanks very much, it's much appreciated.
Would this contribute to worn injector pumps
besides solvent characteristics in diesel fuels?
I don't think the wax will, it just clogs the filters. Lower-cetane
winterized BD?
Carlos writes:
you can see a small and not expensive oil press at
www.savoiapower.com/tiny.html
All I can see on that site is an expeller press that weighs 500 kg
and processes 125 kg of seed per hour. My guess at the price is
in the range of $15,000 USD. (I didn't see a price on the
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm no automatic respecter of experts,
You and I are in complete agreement here! LOL ;-)
Motie
but that's quite a range of
different people, some of whom I've been in correspondence with,
and
it's corraborated by user
I belive Heat of Vaporization is irrelavant in a diesel, as cooling is not
important, and detonation is not possable. The artical does not mention
that.
I would like verification of my understanding.
Thanks
Eric
From: MH Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] ignition
Is this a crock, or is rapeseed BD superior, from a mechanical standpoint,
to soybean BD?
-Original Message-
Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry
on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel.
B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel
It also keeps European mfg out of their backyard thereby solving the
competition issue.
The Fortune 500 are in business to make money. Any social issues they
involve themselves in go to their making money.
That is the alpha and the omega of it.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Harmon
Thank you all for a waste of my time. I thought by joining this group I may
receive valuable information on BioDiesel for a project I am working on.
Instead I read 50 emails a day from losers being hateful to each other at 4
am. It is very disappointing. So farewell, enjoy your pathetic ways.
hello Keith:
you can see a small and not expensive oil press at
www.savoiapower.com/tiny.html
Carlos
Hello Carlos
I believe that press is already on the page I referred to below:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#Oilpress
Biofuels supplies and suppliers: Oilseed presses
Best
Carlos writes:
you can see a small and not expensive oil press at
www.savoiapower.com/tiny.html
All I can see on that site is an expeller press that weighs 500 kg
and processes 125 kg of seed per hour. My guess at the price is
in the range of $15,000 USD. (I didn't see a price on the
It seems the whole of US manufacturing is blatantly unintelligent, at times
vigorously so. They seemed focused on partnerships and friend ships like
its a high school popularity contest!
I think I should have to disagree about the loud pipes on bikes though.
We know that 4 out of 5
She should upgrade her computer to that new keyboard with the delete key.
Must have struck a nerve somewhere in her psyche. Netetiquette Nanny.
People that look a gift horse in the mouth. Contribute nothing and want data
pre formatted and pre digested.
And no personal comments in the process.
Talking of heat of vaporization, I make a small device used for increasing
power in spark ignited engines by water fog cooling the inlet mixture. Is named
Aqua power and costs around U$S 10.-
Regards
Carlos
- Original Message -
From: Eric Ruttan
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
hello Ken:
The Tiny oil mill for sunflower, rapeseed, soya, costs U$S 5000 FOB
Small ones can be found at www.oilpress.com
Carlos
- Original Message -
From: Ken Provost
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Equipment
I don't know what Carlos is talking about. He's seeing something that I'm
not. I goto this URL and all that's there are three green industrial
grinders. Not only are there no small presses, there are no prices, so what
is he talking about when he states not expensive?
Jesse Parris | studio53
Thanks Keith. My point exactly. Does anyone know where to buy a small
oilpress THAT HAS THE PRICES on the same page? I went out to that swedish
oilpress site, you know the one with the tractor and Volvo and what a mess
that was. Farmers and HTML do not mix.
Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics
YEAH! Ken's got the right idea. Does anyone within earshot of this email
know about any American makers of oil presses?
Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct |
203.324.4371
www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/
- Original Message -
From: Ken Provost
I think you confirmed this, and now you may leave because you are being
hateful. Seriously, no one is hateful here, they may argue but is that being
hateful? Arguing causes people to learn things and come up with new ideas.
--- Lisa Musser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from losers being hateful to
Lisa Musser wrote:
Thank you all for a waste of my time. I thought by joining this group I may
receive valuable information on BioDiesel for a project I am working on.
Instead I read 50 emails a day from losers being hateful to each other at 4
am. It is very disappointing. So farewell, enjoy
Talking of heat of vaporization, I make a small device used for
increasing power in spark ignited engines by water fog cooling the
inlet mixture. Is named Aqua power and costs around U$S 10.-
Regards
Carlos
... the original of which is, I suspect, to be found here:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay...Nothing more inviting in a discussion than
all-encompassing, generally sweeping statements like the one
below.
Don't suppose anyone has ever calculated the proportions of road
tax expenditures to see how much went to
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
big snip
It was so
quiet you literally couldn't tell if it was running unless you put
your hand on
it or looked at the tach. It totally amazed those of us who grew up
with
Harley's (my first bike was a '47 Harley, btw).
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She should upgrade her computer to that new keyboard with the
delete key.
Must have struck a nerve somewhere in her psyche. Netetiquette
Nanny.
People that look a gift horse in the mouth. Contribute nothing and
want data
pre
Now that I think about it, I remember an atrical with something about Shell.
I do not remember were I saw it.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 04:55
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Shell article
Keith
Is this the Shell artical ?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 04:20
Subject: [biofuel] Shell buys stake in bioethanol fuel firm Iogen
Or is this the Shell artical?
Greg H.
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From: Tom Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:48
Subject: [green-energy-options] Shell WindEnergy Release from PR Newswire
Shell WindEnergy Enters California With 41 MW Acquisition
PR
- Original Message -
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 06:07
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel
Trucks
I was out fishing the other night and some asshole in a *huge* inboard
boat
with
Do you happen to know precisely where you found this? You didn't give
the exact link.
TIA.
MM
Another interesting snippet from the same site:
George W. Bush on Next Four Years:
Tom Brokaw: You talk a lot about the energy crisis, but you've talked
about it almost exclusively as the need to
I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel,
instead of gas ?
Greg H.
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Hi all.
I ran some lab tests on my BD (from M. Pelly«s recipe), including IR
spectrometry, Flash point, Pour point, Cloud point, Density, Viscosity,
Residual Carbon and free water sediment.
My findings showed quite a good BD, except for the water.
ASTM requires 0,05 % vol max of water. I
The army has one now, built, I think, by Kawasaki. It's part of NATO's new
program of having *all* motor vehicles run on jet fuel.
I'll see if I can dig up the url.
And there are several other diesel bikes, Royal Enfield used to make one, some
company in India does it now.
On Fri, Jun
Yes, it's definitely part of their market strategy.
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 01:25:53PM -0600, kirk wrote:
It also keeps European mfg out of their backyard thereby solving the
competition issue.
The Fortune 500 are in business to make money. Any social issues they
involve themselves in
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 07:55:11PM +, Eric Ruttan wrote:
It seems the whole of US manufacturing is blatantly unintelligent, at times
vigorously so. They seemed focused on partnerships and friend ships like
its a high school popularity contest!
I think I should have to disagree about
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses
diesel,
instead of gas ?
Greg H.
I don't have a link handy, but either Yamaha or Polaris has an ATV
with a Diesel.
One of my sons has kind of jokingly
Didn't the Army have such a thing? WWII?
-Original Message-
From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:02 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Motorcycles ?
I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel,
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I did a Google search on them once, and there's an company in India that
makes them, and the British Army is working on one, and someone's working on
a diesel/electric hybrid motorcycle.
Craig
Greg and April wrote:
I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel,
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