Re: [Biofuel] Grass for fuel and food

2005-09-07 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Helo WOODARD The maxium photosynthetic is also possible protein is also production per hector is possible which can be easily extracted using alkali treatment or Excellent mushroom can be obtained from this plants. followed by small scale biogasification or thermal gasification or ethanol

[Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA

2005-09-07 Thread virgil sentel
I'm a newbie here and I live in Ozark, Al. (near Dothan). I'm getting ready to make a test batc soon was wondering if there was anyone living in the L.A. (lower Alabama) area who could mentor (guide) me through this when I start to make the processors. Also I was told today by a friend that races

Re: [Biofuel] How close to this are we?

2005-09-07 Thread William Adams
Close. But not as close as we will be when Roberts is installed as Chief Justice. Bob - Original Message - From: Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:11 AM Subject: [Biofuel] How close to this are we? fas.cism n. 1.

[Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?

2005-09-07 Thread Bud Eble
O'Reilly had a segment tonight (09/06/2005) about the oil companies and OPEC being responsible for the high oil prices (gouging, etc). From what I understand about the situation, the main driving force for petro pricesduring the lastdecade or sohas been our own market: "In 1983, the New

Re: [Biofuel] The Economic Consequences of New Orleans

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Robb
REM:Rendering New Orleans able to withstand an intensity-five hurricane before hurricane Katrina would have taken 14 billion dollars I live in the midwest - downtown tornado alley - and was curious how many coastal cities, in America, are able to withstand a intensity-five hurricane? In fact,

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base process

2005-09-07 Thread Karn Intania
Hi Jan, Ducan, Keith I already did both acid/base process and base process from the animal fat in 2-litre batch type according to instruction on JTF. The result was fine after setting over night. (I boiled out water from the fat before performing the processes.) So, I would like to know why %FFA

Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?

2005-09-07 Thread David Lee
hi my name is david lee i live in the bahamas i just joined the list recently this is the frist time i am posting a message to the list i am so greatful that there is a list because i am seeking help on setting up a 1000 gal per day plant to produce biodiesel from used cooking oil methenol and

Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's conservatism

2005-09-07 Thread William Adams
Timely and well said. Thanks for sharing this post. Bob (TOIO) - Original Message - From: AntiFossil To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's conservatism Outstanding

[Biofuel] RE(Biofuel) Grapeseed oil

2005-09-07 Thread Mario Montesano
Has anyone experimented making BD from grapeseed oil? Thanks, Mario ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Chris
Hi: Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment? Best, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51

2005-09-07 Thread capt3d
'soldiers' with a capital 's'? nice touch. so, these doctors castro has offered to send, since they were at one point in their youth soldiers by virtue of universal conscription, they are condemned to be forever regarded as such? i guess that means that all cuban immigrants since 1959 should

[Biofuel] aaargh! subject line!!!!

2005-09-07 Thread capt3d
i think just posted another reply and forgot to edit the subject line again. my apologies to all, i know how frustrating that can be. won't do it again. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina's Real Name

2005-09-07 Thread capt3d
ok, 37 of rain in one day? i just can't wrap my brain around that one. chris b. In a message dated 9/6/05 4:34:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day -- killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million

Re: [Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA

2005-09-07 Thread des
virgil sentel wrote: I'm a newbie here and I live in Ozark, Al. (near Dothan). I'm getting ready to make a test batc soon was wondering if there was anyone living in the L.A. (lower Alabama) area who could mentor (guide) me through this when I start to make the processors. Also I was told today

Re: [Biofuel] Is this fraud?

2005-09-07 Thread des
Busyditch wrote: I dont think this guy realizes how fraudulent his ad is. This is NOT biodiesel, just WVO and dino mixed. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bio-Diesel-Biodiesel-Kit-Fuel-for-15-cents-a-gallon_W0QQitemZ5997737337QQcategoryZ3240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem For the asking price, he could include the

Re: [Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA

2005-09-07 Thread lendzian_michael
Virgil, Hi, Michael here in Seale, Alabama. I am happy to help you. Contact me off-list, so we can make arrangements. -MPL - Original Message - From: virgil sentel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 10:24 pm Subject: [Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA I'm a newbie

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Ray J
Methanol is a common thing to put in a tank of gas anywhere in the world when it gets cold outside ... it stops the water from pooling in the tank and freezing... its avalable in any store arould here in the states http://www.goldeagle.com/heet/index.htm Heet is 100% methanol Ray J

[Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

2005-09-07 Thread Karn Intania
I was washing my BD with hot water three times and checking for pH. (it's neutral.) The BD looks light yellow clear and translucent. How can I sure that the BD does not harm my diesel engine? or any test method that I need to do more? Please...need help regards, Karn

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality

2005-09-07 Thread Mills, Duncan
Hello Chris, and in New Orleans where the victims were largely Black and unable to escape a natural disaster unassisted. and who have shown themselves, in this instance and so many other previous instances of inner-city rioting and looting, to be crazed,

Re: [Biofuel] Grass for fuel

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug Presumably they could be used for celulose to alcohol processes. More like biomass energy I think, and Fischer-Tropsch fuel: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg09335.html Re: [biofuel] VW presents new synthetic fuel strategy I wonder about the invasiveness

[Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2302/ -- In These Times Features September 2, 2005 Shooting Down the Breeze The promise of wind power has been impeded by species-protection scandals and a lack of public trust By Mischa Gaus Faced with news that its wind turbines were killing

Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
I WILL be president soon, in 2008, and *I 'm* pround of you now. Oh are you really? Last I heard from you was that you were ignoring me, not only that you were telling me you were ignoring me. That's a whole new twist on the paradox of Epimenides the Cretan, I'm still trying to figure it out.

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Christopher and all Hi: Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment? Best, Christopher I went looking some time back and foun this at a race

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

2005-09-07 Thread lendzian_michael
Did you check the Specific Gravity of the sample of BD? -Michael Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: Karn Intania [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday,

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Bill Vaughn
There are a number of reasons why methanol is not a good fuel to use. Number one is that it is highly ( very highly) corrosive. Number two is that methanol needs to be jetted %60 richer than gasoline. Which means it would take darn near twice the fuel compared to gasoline. Bill From: Chris

[Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer offat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls.

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

2005-09-07 Thread malcolm maclure
Hi Karn, Sounds like your BD is just right, you may have some water in it so you should remove it. To test your product do a shake test with water in a 1l bottle, if it separates ok quickly without the formation of other layers, your BD is fine. What you haven't told us is what year/ make of

Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze

2005-09-07 Thread Manick Harris
May I moot an unconventional source of power: It is my firm belief that CO2 from ethanol fermentation process can be compressed on its own without compressors and without damage to the bugs and drive turbines for electric power. Alas I only tried it to turn a toy turbine in fish tank minus the

[Biofuel] When Science Gets Censored

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
From: Environmental Science Technology, Jul. 13, 2005 EDITORIAL: When Science Gets Censored QUOTABLE: While I served as a liaison, the U.S. EPA Science Advisory Board was asked to discuss policy implications of the http://www.precaution.org/lib/pp_def.htmprecautionary

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
Did you check the Specific Gravity of the sample of BD? Doesn't mean much Michael, as far as completion is concerned. Same goes for viscosity testing. They're mostly useful for comparing different test batches, not for testing qualiity. Best wishes Keith -Michael Michael Lendzian CINS

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Joe Street
Methanol is an excellent fuel. (in some respects at least) It requires drastically different jetting in the carbs or injection programing. IIRC the stoichiometric ratio for gasoline is about 14:1 A/F ratio but for methanol is something like 4:1. Figure this into economy calculations. Heat of

[Biofuel] Didn't someone ask about..

2005-09-07 Thread mphee
Energy storage without using batteries. http://www.amminex.com/index_files/Page344.htm Use your wind turbine to generate electricity and the excess can be stored efficiently as hydrogen. Theory at least. ___ Biofuel mailing list

[Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)

2005-09-07 Thread Darryl McMahon
Let's not forget some other history. The response to the CSA raid on St. Albans (Union troops dispatched to invade Canada, but recalled by Lincoln before reaching the border) (1864). The Fenian Raids (1866-1870).Manifest Destiny. Machias Seal Island (1918). Continuing U.S. naval

Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze

2005-09-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
CO2 readily goes into solution and thereby changes pH. I think the yeast would be inhibited as pH dropped. KirkManick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I moot an unconventional source of power: It is my firm belief that CO2 from ethanol fermentation process can be compressed on its own without

[Biofuel] Biodiesel and VW Jetta/Golf

2005-09-07 Thread Pierre Ingels
Hello all, I have started making my own biodiesel recently and am slowly building up an appleseed reactor. I have been getting an old diesel motor to build a generator with and also test the biodiesel in. So far it runs very well. My aim would be however to drive my 2005 VW Golf Variant (in the

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and VW Jetta/Golf

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
my 2002 Golf has been running happily on both homebrew and storebought BD - no problems at all! Pierre Ingels wrote: Hello all, I have started making my own biodiesel recently and am slowly building up an appleseed reactor. I have been getting an old diesel motor to build a generator with and

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread des
Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil,

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Sounds perfect to me - is your wash water clear after the final wash? Karn Intania wrote: I was washing my BD with hot water three times and checking for pH. (it's neutral.) The BD looks light yellow clear and translucent. How can I sure that the BD does not harm my diesel engine?

Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO? - or, Building or buying a processor.

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Hi David, many of the questions you have asked are already address on the JTF website. I would suggest taking a good spin through there, and if you still have questions, asking the list. Most homebrewers, me included, aren't fans of the Internet BD setups, particularly the FuelMeister and

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Appal Energy
Ian, What are you deacidifying your oil with and how? Adding lye or similar caustic in the absence of methanol is a sure fire way to manufacture soap, just about the last thing you want if your eventual end product is going to be biodiesel. There is a method of making biodiesel where all

Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? If elected, I will apooint Cindy Sheehan director of DHS. She can change the name. Granny D will director of FEC. My administration will be in honor of Peace Pilgrim.

Re: [Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Then let's buy less oil. Bud Eble wrote: O'Reilly had a segment tonight (09/06/2005) about the oil companies and OPEC being responsible for the high oil prices (gouging, etc). From what I understand about the situation, the main driving force for petro prices during the last decade or so

Re: [Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?

2005-09-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
First the alternative has to be available. I have suggested journeytoforever.org to several farmers. Eastern Oregon is promoting biofuels at a governmental level. Won't be long before some facilities are established. The port of Morrow on the Columbia is planned to be the site of a large

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
I'd rather by shot by a fascist than shoot at a neighbor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Chris
Thanks guys. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:52 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel Hello

Re: [Biofuel] Didn't someone ask about..

2005-09-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Interesting product, lacking details of its use though. It still does not make hydrogen production easier. That is where the primary inefficiency is at. I have my brother looking for a better method for producing hydrogen from water using electricity (he is a much better chemist then I). There

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and VW Jetta/Golf

2005-09-07 Thread Pierre Ingels
Thanks Mike! And no problems with the filter? That sounds excellent to me. Can't wait to fill up... -- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:48:44 -0400 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and VW Jetta/Golf To:

[Biofuel] U.S. the new Saddam

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/30/national/w 124551D09.DTL Or: http://snipurl.com/hial Bush: U.S. Must Protect Iraq From Terror By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer Tuesday, August 30, 2005 Coronado, Calif. (AP) -- President Bush on Tuesday answered

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ian Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Keith Addison
Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil,

[Biofuel] New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Water

2005-09-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from WaterSCIENCE NEWSAugust 31, 2005http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003articleID=000EE96B-C0B8-1314-80B883414B7FThe promise of a hydrogen economy, which would lessen dependence on nonrenewable energy sources such as fossil fuels, hinges on the ability

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Ray J
Thats funny .. i have been around race engines on and off for years, on dirt tracks , drag strips, and go karts and have not heard / seen anything special about them compared to their gasoline burning versions other than carb setup. mabey its just on them million dollar indy car

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread Gregg Davidson
Hi Keith, I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's manual ofacar I'd just bought to whichI was thinking of adding a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to err on the side of caution.I have seen that warning in at least4 owner's manuals from different

Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan

2005-09-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --KirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little "youthful indiscetion" I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it?Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Hi Todd I'm using the JTF deacidification as some of the oil I have is Titrating at 7mls plus the 3.5. And no I am not that advanced. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:10 AM Subject:

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-07 Thread dwoodard
Ray, it's been well known for many years that high concentrations of methanol have a bad effect on light metals and their alloys, and on many organic compounds used in engine intake systems. It's been so well known for so long that the racers who use methanol fuel mostly all know about and take

Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Hi Keith I have done a 1L test . Fortunatly I re titrated after deacidification and found that the oil had dropped from 7mls to 1ml titration so I added this plus the 3.5. in the 25% methanol, and it came up nice and clear after three washes. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Keith

[Biofuel] Water in the oil

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Could someone clear up my understanding of water in the oil reaction to heat. Somewhere I read that the oil will boil if water is present. Some of the oil I have only makes a poping pinging sound as it is heated,is this the same thing? although diminished it carries on over a 100c even as

Re: [Biofuel] Water in the oil

2005-09-07 Thread Ray J
yes... u should be able to heat oil up as hot as u can well untill it bursts into flames it should not make any noise... poping, hissing, sizzling sounds. and bubbles are all signs of water in the oil... the water will take some time to all evaporate out... and thats a good thing.. u

[Biofuel] Can they get any dumber?

2005-09-07 Thread bob allen
firefighters from around the country are sent not to a disaster area to fight fires and rescue people, but rather sent to Atlanta first to attend sensitivity training before being deployed to NO to pass out handbills: http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197 Frustrated: Fire crews to hand

Re: [Biofuel] Flywheel 'batteries'

2005-09-07 Thread Darryl McMahon
I don't remember flywheel buses in Vancouver - Ballard hydrogen fuel cell buses with electric regenerative braking, yes, but no flywheel energy storage system. There were flywheel buses in Switzerland at one time. Do a search for oerlikon gyrobus. Darryl McMahon Mika Feldmann [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-07 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
By George, I think he's figured it out! Somebody give Jeff an attaboy, maybe appoint him as Director of FEMA. Perhaps this is the mantra that has been taught in our public schools for the last 50 years? We are all a product of our environment, and as such cannot be held accountable for our