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Published on Saturday, January 19, 2013 by the Institute for
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Water Grabbing to Follow Food Speculation?
Where are the checks and balances?
by Shiney Varghese
Writing in National Geographic in December 2012 about
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8526
Water: The Newest Wave of Corporate Social Responsibility
Diane Farsetta on September 1, 2009
Even critics of World Water Week, held annually in Stockholm, Sweden,
agree that it's an important forum where thousands of people working
on water issues share
: [Biofuel] Water-fuel hybrid
Their science lesson throws a lot of suspicion on the whole process. For
instance, they somehow make the claim that hydrogen atoms can exist
independently (they bond together in pairs...) and that you are *BURNING*
hydrogen and oxygen in your engine (my emphasis
not to send their comments, please post to that effect.
Thanks
James
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Thanks for your responses.
I'm going
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Their science lesson throws a lot of suspicion on the whole process. For
instance, they somehow make the claim that hydrogen atoms can exist
independently
Hi folks
There's a man offering to fit the water fuel conversion here. Does anyone
have any experience of this kit? (Doesn't seem to be anything in the
archives)
Here's the product..
http://www.water-fuel-hybrid.com/
Best
James
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Subject: [Biofuel] Water-fuel hybrid
Hi folks
There's a man offering to fit the water fuel conversion here. Does anyone
have any experience of this kit? (Doesn't seem to be anything
James,
there could be a germ of validity in this. I had a quick look at the
site, and this is not one of the dozens of sites that talks about water
as a sole fuel for an internal combustion engine. (That concept is bunk
in my opinion.)
The concept here is that you use surplus energy from the
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Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:51 PM
James,
there could be a germ of validity in this. I had a quick look at the
site, and this is not one of the dozens of sites that talks about water
Roger,
You could try adding a drying agent to the drum to absorb the water (depends
on how much leaked in though). I remember in chem lab in school in order to
dry our solvent system when we were doing synthesis adding Sodium Sulfate
which absorbed the water, but didn't dissolve in the organic
in the liquid state.
Kurt
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:32:55 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Water in my Methanol Any
suggestions? It looks like water got in my new 55-gal drum of Methanol. I
keep it outside for obvious reasons but it looks
Any suggestions? It looks like water got in my new 55-gal drum of
Methanol. I keep it outside for obvious reasons but it looks like water
got in somehow. The only thought I had was to set up a distiller to
heat up the mixture to 160°F and then cool the vapor into another vessel
much like
On May 2, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Roger wrote:
Any suggestions? It looks like water got in my new 55-gal drum of
Methanol. I keep it outside for obvious reasons but it looks like
water
got in somehow. The only thought I had was to set up a distiller to
heat up the mixture to 160°F and then
Hello Walker
EROEI for hydrogen (and ethanol) is negative.
Why do you say that the EROEI (energy returned on energy invested)
for ethanol is negative?
Best
Keith
robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've long ago lost all my enthusiasm for hydrogen . . .
robert luis rabello
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From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water instead of gas - CSC inventor devises hydrogen
fuel generation system
Sent: 15 Apr '07 20:01
I have an electrochemistry text , 2 volume set actually, and I remember
reading the energy
I know that we've seen these types of systems and announcements before
but this guy seems to be taking a different approach
regards
tallex
Water instead of gas
CSC inventor devises hydrogen fuel generation system
http://www.register-mail.com/stories/041507/BIZ_BCTHB3AM.GID.shtml
AltEnergyNetwork wrote:
I know that we've seen these types of systems and announcements before
but this guy seems to be taking a different approach
regards
tallex
Not really. Using plasma electrolysis became an in vogue idea
among hydrogen enthusiasts back in the 1980's. It doesn't
EROEI for hydrogen (and ethanol) is negative.
robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've long ago lost all my enthusiasm for hydrogen . . .
robert luis rabello
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I have an electrochemistry text , 2 volume set actually, and I remember reading
the energy to electrolyze plasma was a small fraction of a water cell. Hat
would prob be a solar concentrator.
Have to dig it out sometime
Kirk
robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see it now, water being locked up in seawater, distilling seems like
an option, Nature does it all the time... However, considering that the
oceans have been a waste dump for the toxins that industry creates, I
would hesitate about considering distilled seawater clean. Sure, the
salts
Kirk McLoren wrote:
Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now.
Really? Where?
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
What this amounts
ok doug,
thanks I think that makes a little more sense, I hadnt taken that into
account.
Andrew
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What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the
If that is the case, how do you explain a car that runs off of this? I have
seen video, and from what I understand it runs off only the normal battery
used to start the car and the hydrogen remove from sea water. I am not an
expert on this at all, but it definately interests me. By the way, where
: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen,
then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no
surplus
favourable. Good Luck !
Jan Warnqvist
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
The literature for industrial chemistry has process efficiency as part of the
discussion.
An important part if you are in business.
As for video I can tell you and show you anything. You cant verify what is
shown.
Things that seem to be too good to be true usually are.
If they had a
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen
Hydrogen does indeed have an excellent heat value for its weight/mass, but
not for its volume, and it is a gas down close to absolute zero. Hydrogen
storage is a considerable problem. To my mind it remains to be seen
whether hydrogen will ever be economic for the sole fuel of a vehicle.
I think
The problem is this.
The electrolyser is 70% efficient best case.
The engine is 30% efficient best case - in use probably 8%
So we have .7 x .3 = .21 conversion of electricity to rear wheel power best
case.
And what losses are associated with the electricity?
they make the 21 % even
What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen,
then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no
surplus to run the vehicle even if every stage was perfectly
Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world
This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an
electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone
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Global Issues
Water and Development
by Anup Shah This Page Last Updated Friday, November 24, 2006
Much of the world lives without access to clean water. Privatization
of water resources, promoted as a means to bring business
I now live in a place where rivers run year 'round and rainfall can last
for days on end. However, I grew up in Los Angeles, where a history of
stealing water from areas with sparse populations (and resultingly,
little political clout) contributed significantly to the growth of a
city that
Robert,
Thanks for this! It is about time we focused some attention on an issue of crushing importance. I would like to offer the following quote: "There is a lot of oil in the desert, but not much water, which one would you offer a thirsty person?"
Fred
From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL
Hi Robert
Scary stuff, yes. Here's a couple of previous roundups on water
problems. Don't know if the links still work:
http://snipurl.com/qcpd
Re: [biofuel] Sewage Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: Animal Waste
4 Aug 2002
With a new top:
http://snipurl.com/rcgo
Re: [biofuel] Cross post - next
Jan;
Further to my post from yesterday regarding the 0.5% water in oil as a
limit; I am assuming that this percentage relies on fairly anhydrous
methoxide, and therefore is the maximum water that the process can
tolerate. Is this a safe assumption? And if so would it be safe then
to assume
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:15
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water content -
was tirating a virgin oil
Jan;Further to my post from yesterday regarding the
0.5% water in oil as a limit; I am assuming that this percentage relies
on fairly anhydrous
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water content -
was tirating a virgin oil
Jan;Further to my post from yesterday regarding the
0.5% water in oil as a limit; I am assuming that this percentage relies
on fairly anhydrous methoxide, and therefore is the maximum water that the
process can tolerate
Hello,I always thought it would be really cool to power an internal combustion engine with hydrogen derived from electrolysis powered by the engine itself, but doesn't it take more energy to split the hydrogen/oxygen that the hydrogen is able to produce when combusted? I guess that's why this
Will Kelleher wrote:
Hello,
I always thought it would be really cool to power an internal
combustion engine with hydrogen derived from electrolysis powered by
the engine itself, but doesn't it take more energy to split the
hydrogen/oxygen that the hydrogen is able to produce when
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Interesting confleunce of failure of foreign aid and
water as a human right. One of the important facts
left out of the information on water and Bolivia is
that the IMF put stings on a loan to Bolivia to
improve water infrastructure which was sadly in need
of repair. The IMF required that Bolivia
Hi Ken
Interesting confleunce of failure of foreign aid and
water as a human right.
Same as energy, same as food, same as money.
One of the important facts
left out of the information on water and Bolivia is
that the IMF put stings on a loan to Bolivia to
improve water infrastructure which was
WATER FIGHT: BOLIVIA vs. BECHTEL
Last week brought an end to one of the greatest water battles in
history. The people of Bolivia have successfully reclaimed ownership of
their water from the Bechtel Corporation. In 1999, Bechtel made an
arrangement with the Bolivian government to take ownership
, June 05, 2006 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?
There's plenty of water. It's just not in the right place and in the
right form...
Darryl McMahon wrote:
Additional reading (just pulled from my bookshelf).
Best overview of the subject to date
Next they'll be charging us for air...
Keith Addison wrote:
12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water,
and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World.
Same as energy, same as food, same as money.
Actually there is only one problem, IMHO, and this is it.
For a
Next they'll be charging us for air...
You'll probably have to pay royalties on what you breathe it with, don't they own the patent on noses too? Oh, sorry, that's next week...
Multi-national corporations are busy privatizing public water utilities across the U.S. They now control 15% of our
isnt the basis of life (food,water,oxygen) considered a right? i mean there
is a right to survive, isnt there?
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity
Additional reading (just pulled from my bookshelf).
Best overview of the subject to date IMO.
_Whose Water Is It? The Unquenchable Thirst of a Water-Hungry World_
Bernadette McDonald and Douglas Jehl, Editors
ISBN# 0-7922-6238-7
Maude Barlow's piece in this book says:
'Both the World Bank and the
There's plenty of water. It's just not in the right place and in the
right form...
Darryl McMahon wrote:
Additional reading (just pulled from my bookshelf).
Best overview of the subject to date IMO.
_Whose Water Is It? The Unquenchable Thirst of a Water-Hungry World_
Bernadette McDonald and
I read some one commentated on the order of; that there is enough water,
nut not in the right places. I'm not so sure if there's enough water or
not, I do agree location is key, along with who controls that location.
What is right and what are rights is ambiguous. In the end it's the
That would be the last gasp
regards Doug
On Monday 05 June 2006 11:08, Mike Weaver wrote:
Next they'll be charging us for air...
Keith Addison wrote:
12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water,
and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World.
Same as
12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water,
and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World.
Same as energy, same as food, same as money.
Actually there is only one problem, IMHO, and this is it.
For a glimpse at water issues worldwide in 2002 see:
Hello Michael
Other than water in the WVO and Methanol there are at least two other sources:
1. Atmospheric water vapor tries to establish equilibrium with
everything (including all feedstock and reagents used in the BD
process).
2. The catalyst widely used in homebrew, dissolved lye
Other than
water in the WVO and Methanol there are at least two other sources:
Atmospheric
water vapor tries to establish equilibrium with everything (including all
feedstock and reagents used in the BD process).
The catalyst
widely used in homebrew, dissolved lye in
I am probably missing something, but where would the water be coming from in the first place? Isn't the waste oil you start with not supposed to contain any water, and if it does, you need to boil it off? Then there's the methanol. It should not contain any water either. I don't believe the
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered
methanol?
I am probably missing something, but where would the water be
coming from in the first place? Isn't the waste oil you start with not
supposed to contain any water
The reaction produces some water
Jonathan Schearer wrote:
I am probably missing something, but where would the water
be coming from in the first place? Isn't the waste oil you start with
not supposed to contain any water, and if it does, you need to boil it
off? Then there's the methanol. It
ill add up.
Logan Vilas
From: Jonathan Schearer
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:58
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in
recovered methanol?
I am probably missing something, but where would the water be
coming from in the f
If using the Acid process you will generate some water. Also remember
the oil is dry but there are trace amounts of water in the best grease
but I dont think this causes a problem.
JIM
Jonathan Schearer wrote:
I am probably missing something, but where would the water be coming
from in the
Hello Sty
Dear Sir,
I have a question tobe solved by the experts in this forum.
Everybody is still learning.
In biodiesel production with acid-base process, is it a limitation
of FFA content without water separation (produced by esterification
stage) before entering the base-process
Dear Sir,
I have a question tobe solved by the experts in this forum.
In biodiesel production with acid-base process, is it a
limitation of FFA content without water separation (produced by esterification
stage) before entering the base-process (trans-esterification).
If I use
In additon, a fractionating column requires a reflux, the partial return and
recycling of distillate product from the condenser back down the
fractionating
column which increases the energy tax (energy costs) of purifying the
methanol.
This is true for tray towers. A more elegant setup is a
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
You can build a well insulated, e-glass, almost-walk-in, oven for $200.
I wouldn't buy one.
Todd Swearingen
Thomas Kelly wrote
Good day to all,
After splitting the
glycerine coproduct from roughly 1200L of processed WVO, I distilled
approximately 100L of the glycerine/methanol component.
The first drops of
methanol began to fall from the condenser at 145F. As the temp rose to 150F
there was a steady flow of clear
3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts of
water out of solvents to bring them into the low ppm range. They will
work of course but you might saturate them and have to do a second
stage. There is a significant energy input into regenerating the
seives as well. You
As my distillation temps rose towards 200F (93C) could I have been
including water in my distillate?
Yes, and you probably did. This is why they use distillation columns in
industry.
Zeolytes should work. Just make sure that whatever one you choose is
capable of absorbing water. Not all
ethanol
ferment/distillation. If the permit is approved, I hope to start in the coming
months.
Thanks again,
Tom
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:27
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered
m
without getting into excessive detail, the boiling point of a mixture is
the weighted average of the stuff present. At first you have pure
methanol coming off. as the temperature rose, increasing amounts of
water contaminated the alcohol.
You need a fractionating column to obtain pure
good results with the
wash test.
regards,
Andrew
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methanol?
3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting
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Friday, April 28, 2006 10:27 AM
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Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts of
water out of solvents to bring them into the
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3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts
of water out of solvents to bring them into the low ppm range.
They will work of course but you might saturate
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PM
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methanol?
Hi Tom;Sieves are porous ceramic which microscopically
look like a sponge. The pore size depends on manufacture and will allow
molecules smaller than the pore size to go into the labrynth of passageways
withing the bulk of th
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I came across molecular sieves while reading about ethanol
purification, and was
lead to believe (mistakenly
Thomas Kelly wrote:
Joe,
Thanks for the time you put into
your response.
Re: Zeolites. I should probably buy
some and experiment.I have a note to but 3A molecular sieve. I'll
check to make sure that's the right one.
As I understand it, with
pressure constant, a liquid at
g to the same solar ovens (under $200 US) that can be
used to cook food (and do they really work?) or is there some other, high
tech version?
Tom
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
I came across molecular sieves while reading about ethanol
purification, and was
lead to believe (mistakenly?)that they can be regenerated by drying
in the sun
http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/solar/page_iii.htm
as i always say, your own rig works best for you.
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to cook food (and do they really work?) or is there some other, high
tech version?
Tom
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In additon, a fractionating column requires a reflux, the partial return and
recycling of distillate product from the condenser back down the fractionating
column which increases the energy tax (energy costs) of purifying the methanol.
Mike McGinness
bob allen wrote:
without getting into
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
Hi Tom;
Sieves are porous ceramic which microscopically look like a
sponge. The pore size depends on manufacture and will allow
molecules smaller than
When 160 proof ethanol and gasoline are mixed, what happens? does the
gasoline mix with the ethanol and the water separate out from the ethanol
and fall to the bottom?
No.
Your motor will stop.
You will get a suspension of water and petrol (or gasoline, as you call it).
I found that out with
Some comments by Sir Harry Ricardo about his early work with fuels
just after World War I may be of interest. This is from his book
Memories and Machines (London: Constable, 1968):
(Those intersted in the workings of piston engines should read The
High-Speed Internal Combustion Engine by Ricardo
I have read much information that indicates ethanol has to be a higher proof
(180+?) if it is to be mixed with gasoline. The reasoning given is that
gasoline does not mix with water. I have been in the auto parts business
for years and we sell gasoline additives that claim to remove moisture
to accomplish the same results.
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Subject: [Biofuel] water, ethanol and gasoline
I have read much information
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On Jan 25, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Mark Kennedy wrote:
When 160 proof ethanol and gasoline are mixed, what happens?
does the gasoline mix with the ethanol and the water separate out
from the ethanol and fall to the bottom?
It's complicated. do a Google search on ternary phase diagram
: [Biofuel] Water Removal
Are there any methods other than heating
the BD to remove water?
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Are there any methods other than heating
the BD to remove water?
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Upon looking at the reaction of NaOH and methanol I realized that one
equivalent of water is a yield of the reaction. Will this interfere with the
tranesterification reaction? I thought that I read water wil cause
saponification.
Thanks,
Bobby Clark
If you looked at the messages I reffed in my
Upon looking at the reaction of NaOH and methanol I realized that one
equivalent of water is a yield of the reaction. Will this interfere with the
tranesterification reaction? I thought that I read water wil cause
saponification.
Thanks,
Bobby Clark
Could someone clear up my understanding of water in
the oil reaction to heat. Somewhere I read that the oil will boil if water is
present. Some of the oil I have only makes a poping pinging sound as it is
heated,is this the same thing? although diminished it carries on over a
100c even as
yes... u should be able to heat oil up as hot as u can well untill
it bursts into flames it should not make any noise... poping,
hissing, sizzling sounds. and bubbles are all signs of water in the
oil... the water will take some time to all evaporate out... and thats
a good thing.. u
What's usually wrong with them?
AntiFossil wrote:
Marty, and all,
I have to respectfully disagree with Bob C. on this one. The days of
freebies are still very much alive! It might just be an issue of
where you seek your freebies : )
Since approx. March of this year, I have been able
Greetings,
One can get just about anything for free, if you ask nicely. I have 3000
square feet of tile that was mine for hauling it home. Most of my walls
and shelving units are made from scrounged wood, mine for the hauling.
In Huntsville Texas, there is a man that started a company
, etc. :-) That would save me a lot of
money on my project in progress :-)
Thanks,
Bob C.
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Greetings,
One can get just about
This sounds too cool.
Are you saying you are using old NG Electric water heaters for... what?
Stills? Oil fired boilers? Bio-Diesel batch heaters? I love this group!
I need pictures, plans schematics. Pretty please!
Oh I can't wait. I think I will go down to the dump and grab one or
two and
to cause anyone any headaches, but just telling it the way it is where I live.
So, I guess it truly does make a difference where you live??
Take Care,
Bob C.
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Hello Brian
Quite a lot of people use water heaters to make these waste oil
heaters that Bob just mentioned:
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list
with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my
original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News
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