Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-02-02 Thread Fabien Potencier
The book is now available in the SVN repository, ready for anyone to contribute. More information are available on the symfony docs mailing-list: http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-docs/browse_thread/thread/66c6eb6c91ee6726 Fabien -- Fabien Potencier Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-02-02 Thread Thomas Rabaix
The main advantage of the definitive guide is that all information about symfony are available in one place. The right side tag cloud also help a lot to go to the correct part of the documentation. I still look at it to get references about cache, slot and other stuffs. Some information are only

[symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-29 Thread Skyblaze
I don't want to spam or to offende anyone i just want to see the reality. Ok it is an open source project and bla blablabut the real fact is that this defenitive guide little update (with also two important chapters left out from the update) and imho a not decent api documentation won't do

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-29 Thread Fabien Potencier
On 1/29/10 10:19 AM, Skyblaze wrote: I don't want to spam or to offende anyone i just want to see the reality. Ok it is an open source project and bla blablabut the real fact is that this defenitive guide little update (with also two important chapters left out from the update) and imho a

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-29 Thread Fabien Potencier
On 1/29/10 10:19 AM, Skyblaze wrote: I don't want to spam or to offende anyone i just want to see the reality. Ok it is an open source project and bla blablabut the real fact is that this defenitive guide little update (with also two important chapters left out from the update) and imho a

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-29 Thread Gareth McCumskey
As it stands right now symfony has W more documentation than any comparable framework out there. I think you are suffering from a case of being spoilt too much by what symfony provides so that anything removed is a big deal. I started this discussion not as a complaint but as a

[symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Skyblaze
I and others made this question several times but no real answer from the core team yet On Jan 25, 8:14 am, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering if there was any word on whether the Definitive Guide books available for symfony 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 will be

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Gareth McCumskey
I understand, as well, that this is an open source project and that the community should pitch in to things like the documentation in order to update it but you see I am caught in a bit of a catch 22 situation. The book needs to be updated with all the latest changes, yet I need the book to know

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Javier Garcia
Yes, i agree completely. Javi On 01/25/2010 11:29 AM, Gareth McCumskey wrote: I understand, as well, that this is an open source project and that the community should pitch in to things like the documentation in order to update it but you see I am caught in a bit of a catch 22 situation.

[symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Massimiliano Arione
The question arose many times, but unfortunately there's no solution for now. Once I also asked if we can translate the book, since we already did it for the 1.0/1.1 version (it's in the wiki), but Fabien replied negatively. I think the book it's not in the plans of documentation anymore, maybe

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Fabien Potencier
Hi all, I'm listening... but I needed some time to think about the topic a bit more before answering. Here are my thoughts. But before I start ranting about the definitive guide, remember that all the work done on symfony is benevolent. It's true for my work, but also for the work of the

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Gareth McCumskey
Hi Fabien, Thank you for the complete and descriptive response; we really do appreciate it. Just to give my take on why the Definitive Guide is so good. Its for one of the reasons that you mentioned, that its easier to find a description of the various aspects as the Practical guide looks at

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Alexandru-Emil Lupu
Hi all, I am totally agree with Fabien, but i would like to add some completion on what Fabien said. Is true.. i still feel that something has not been said. Even that is a lot of documentation available, and there is one nice tutorial (Jobeet) which is available for sf 1.3 and 1.4, the people

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Fabien Potencier
On 1/25/10 4:18 PM, Alexandru-Emil Lupu wrote: If Fabien wants and allows me, i could try to restart the 1Day1Ticket project, but for that i would need some users that are willing to help. I think that there is no need for a 1Day1Ticket initiative to start helping. Asking people to fix 1

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Alexandru-Emil Lupu
About i have told a little bit earlier, i already have started to try select some tickets that needs to be checked or are a little bit simple. Unfortunately, even i would want to help (which i did in the past), i cannot due to a thight shedule and a second job. I will try however to select some

[symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Skyblaze
So i don't understand if you (Fabien) will release/publish the updated defenitive guide this week even if chapters 8 and 10 are not yet updated? Or You will publish it only when these two chapters are also updated by the community? On Jan 25, 4:28 pm, Fabien Potencier fabien.potenc...@symfony-

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Fabien Potencier
On 1/25/10 4:45 PM, Skyblaze wrote: So i don't understand if you (Fabien) will release/publish the updated defenitive guide this week even if chapters 8 and 10 are not yet updated? Or You will publish it only when these two chapters are also updated by the community? I will commit the updated

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Javier Garcia
Hi, Thanks Fabien for your words. I think every software should have its official manual updated even if NOBODY is reading it. I think 1600 open tickets are too much tickets. I think maybe 1.3 and 1.4 could wait some?. Javi On 01/25/2010 04:52 PM, Fabien Potencier wrote: On 1/25/10 4:45

Re: [symfony-users] Re: Definitive guide for 1.3 and 1.4

2010-01-25 Thread Fabien Potencier
On 1/25/10 6:00 PM, Javier Garcia wrote: Hi, Thanks Fabien for your words. I think every software should have its official manual updated even if NOBODY is reading it. lol I think 1600 open tickets are too much tickets. Many/most of these tickets are for plugins not maintained by the