On reflection (my track books are all at home) I think it was 1964 and
13:04.8 for Lindgren.
David Dallman
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, David Dallman wrote:
I first saw Gerry Lindgren at London's White City stadium in, I think,
1965. Ron Clarke had
The race was in 1965, and Lindgren's time (for three
miles) was 13:04.02. When converted to 5000m using
the Portuguese Tables (arguably the world's best
at that stage) the time became 13:33.6.
But ten months later he ran 12:53.0 at Seattle,
equivalent to 13:22.2.
Pretty good even today, they
In fact, Shorter had a better overall career than Lindgren. Olympic gold
medal in 1972 (only American man to win since 1912), olympic sliver medal in
1976 -- how many Olympic medals did Lindgren win?
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Bravo, Reuben!
I would additionally ask, how much of us, list members, have been reporting
results to list?
I guess it's great minority. Most of us let this work to others - it's much
simpler to chat about ANYTHING around sports, not actually sports itself.
Providing results needs some work
gh pontificated:
Neither Shorter, Pre, Virgin nor Kennedy have an OVERALL career that
remotely compares with Lindgren's. He absolutely stomps the crap out of any
of them as both a prep and a collegian, and his forays into the open ranks
on the track are right up there with any of the others.
I
I glanced at the court's opinion. I have doubts whether it was really
necessary, in addition to ruling against Ms. Slaney, to compound
matters by including the five-sentence replay of Los Angeles in the
opening paragraph under I. Background. Also, the preceding third
sentence of the
David,
You have an excellent memory. Amazingly enough, I just read an account of that exact
race you've described from memory it was actually July 10, 1965 at the AAA
Championships at White City as you remember. Derrick Young wrote of the
race in his book, "The Ten Greatest Races". It
You opened up a debate that you probably didn't want to ...
To say that the OVERALL career (of these men) doesn't "remotely compare" to
Lindgren ... is to say that he is head-and-shoulders above every distance
runner in American history.
He was great ... he was ONE of the American greats ...
Now the IAAF needs to go after her for the money ($25,000?, plus
interest!) that she got for second place at the '95 World Indoor
Championships.
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I would definitely agree with the prep part of the Lindgren vs. Pre
assessment, but I wonder about the collegiate part. Seven NCAA titles is
pretty tough on Pre's part.
I think what GH was getting at, was how did the athlete
compete against the REST OF THE WORLD during his collegian
years, not
A very good source I can't reveal tells me that the NCAA coaches have voted to
eliminate the semis in the 200 in Eugene.
Of course, this is in keeping with the anti-competitive mentality of the
kill-the-regionals forces.
Why don't they just eliminate the meet altogether and mail in the year's
Title: Distance runners
I think a lot of you are missing perhaps the "toughest distance runner" the USA has ever had...George Young. Look at his career and he will stack up against anyone...and there wasn't anyone tough. His first marathon ever...he won the trials.
Someone make sense of this to me? So they re taking 18 athletes, many of
whom will be doublers and not compete in the 200 m. Or are they going to
have 3 semi heats, and take the unfair, top 2 and next fastest 2. Or is it
the heat winners and the next fastest 5?
I do not see the thought process
Of course they re going after her money. What other compulsion do they have
for the things they do. What, for the sake of fairness? yeah right
DGS
Faith is a road seldom traveled
In a message dated Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:42:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dgs1170 writes:
Someone make sense of this to me? So they re taking 18 athletes, many of whom will
be doublers and not compete in the 200 m. Or are they going to have 3 semi heats, and
take the unfair, top 2 and next
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mcewen, Brian T wrote:
Shorter:
* 5th in Olympic 10k, and a couple medals that should have been GOLDS
* 2 ARs in 10k
With regards to Shorter I think we have to consider, because he was a
marathoner, other important races. Fukuoka was the de facto world
championship in
Greetings, all:
Brisbane organizers of the 14th World Veterans Athletic Championships are
outwardly optimistic but privately nervous about entries for the biennial
masters meet July 4-14, 2001, in northeast coastal Australia. The event even
risks falling short of the size of the 1987 WAVA
GH wrote:
In a message dated Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:42:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dgs1170 writes:
Someone make sense of this to me? So they re taking 18 athletes, many of whom will be doublers and not compete in the 200 m. Or are they going to have 3 semi heats, and take the unfair,
as for "thought process," all i can think of is that in these days of
small squad sizes, coaches want to load up on sprinters who can run the 1, 2
and a relay, maybe both relays, without burning out.
gh
You're probably right about that. So much for encouraging competition.
What do they do
Netters,
Can anyone tell me what it took to make All American in the AIAW in terms
of place? I have been told that it was top 3, can anyone verify that info?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Keith Whitman
Head Cross Country Coach
Assistant Track Field Coach
University of Nebraska at Kearney
Garry
You're showing your Wazzoo bias. (I knew Gerry 20 years ago, as
well.) Yes Lindgren is among the greatest American distance runners, and
yes both his high school and collegiate careers are only surpassed by Pre
and Nyambui. And I agree absolutely that he should be in the Hall of
After thinking over (over lunch hour!) what Garry Hill said about Gerry
Lindgren (pasted below) and how his OVERALL career compares with the others
...
I have to admit he is right when you look at a CAREER in THREE PARTS:
1) HS: Lindgren hands-down. Higher level than anyone before or since.
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In a message dated Wed, 28 Mar 2001 2:33:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard McCann
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But his world class career really is only comparable to Shorter's,
and Shorter performed better in the Olympics
You missed the qualifying statement in my original post. In
In a message dated 03/28/2001 11:25:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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You're probably right about that. So much for encouraging competition.
What do they do with the 400 m at NCAA?
- ed Parrot
Oh that is easy Ed. One round, an aggregate of times. Cuts down on time,
and
Maurice Greene and Edwin Moses are scheduled to appear on Bob Costas' show
on HBO tonight at 11pm(EST).
Walt Murphy
GH wrote:
As for Pre vs. Lindgren, I had a far better personal relationship with the former, and if I were to make judgments based on that kind of bias, Pre would get my nod. Lindgren, as David Dallman pointed out, had a true impact on the world scene; the others weren't in the same league.
Is this a
situation where the 200m is not taken seriously as an event? Or could it be that
it attracts too many runners (100m going up + 400m going down) for the NCAAs
taste? Like provisional qualifying that allows the NCAA to place a limit on the
number of competitors in each event of a
Mike wrote:
Jeff beat me to this. George Young is indeed the most overlooked runner
in the U.S. And he is one of the runners that I point too as support for
my theory that the golden age of american distance running was 1964
to about 1976 and that it was after the "running
Netters
Conway wrote:
Question: With respect to the "running boom" did it perhaps make running too "recreational" in this country ??? And in so doing change the mindset of distance running/runners ??
That is exactly what I think. The "recreational mindset" permeates distance running. Even
Conway wrote:
Not sure I would dismiss Pre's impact on the world scene quite so easily
... Pre was a world record breaker/holder ... And I'm not sure anyone had as
much impact in terms of shaping the outcomes of races as Pre did ... Pre made
the 72 Olympic 5000 final the race that it turned
Guy we are starting to get a little harsh here, the NCAA uses this system at the
indoor championships and they use it for the 400 outdoors. If you look at it closely
you will see that most conference meets use the format as well. Also look at the NCAA
results form the past few years, the
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Actually, the facts don't quite paint the same picture. From 1976-1985 more
Americans ranked in the world scene at distances than ever before.
http://digilander.iol.it/rzocca/
malmo
Jeff beat me to this. George Young is indeed the most overlooked runner
in the U.S. And he is one of the
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Garry
You're showing
Malmo wrote:
Actually, the facts don't quite paint the same picture. From 1976-1985 more
Americans ranked in the world scene at distances than ever before.
But those athletes would have already been in the "system" so to speak ... They were trianing and involved in the sport prior
have they made the schedule yet for USAtfs this summer? My parents want to
book a flight and hotel room for the 1500 but we dont know when the trials
or final for the event are. anybody in the know?
Dan Wilson
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Lindgren, as David Dallman pointed out, had a true impact on the world
scene; the others weren't in the same league.
gh
Winning the Olympic marathon and then a silver doesn't count as an impact
on the world scene? Finishing 4th in the Olympics before reaching one's
prime (which was cut
Great Story..
If I remember my NCAA handbook correctly, if she was receiving any institutional
financial aid and she was really good at her "after school job", she probably would be
in violation of NCAA by-laws after only a very short time on the stage, regardless of
any code of conduct
I do not believe the downfall of U.S. distance running began with the first
running boom that started in the mid 1970's and peaked in the very early
1980's. As others have pointed out, the U.S. had plenty of world caliber
runners during that time, even though the Africans were already beginning
Great Story..
If I remember my NCAA handbook correctly, if she was receiving any institutional
financial aid and she was really good at her "after school job", she probably would be
in violation of NCAA by-laws after only a very short time on the stage, regardless of
any code of conduct
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