On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:29:14 -0500, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed.
But that doesn't always
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:19 -0500, Mike N. wrote:
FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address
interpolation ways at -
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
The results are at
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
Cool stuff! I've been looking at doing the same thing. Which osgeo
python code are you using?
I'm using the default lib for Fedora - GDAL 1.6.0; release 8.fc11 .
Someone else (in Georgia?) created all
Ian Dees wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data
in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
street centerline. Is there an accepted way of applying these tags to the
road ways? It doesn't really make very much sense
Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] wrote:
Sent: 12 November 2009 2:15 PM
To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Cc: Ian Dees; OSM Talk; talk...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question
Ian Dees wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data
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Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] wrote:
Sent: 12 November 2009 2:15 PM
To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Cc: Ian Dees; OSM Talk; talk...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question
Ian Dees wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm looking at some donated
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed.
But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at least in
many parts of the world, is
2009/11/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed.
But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at
FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation
ways at -
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
The results are at
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote:
I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the
initial import, than to import things badly and try
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:28 -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
Give everyone a chance to work in a constructive way and don't expect
others to clean the mess bad import left behind.
No wonder there are only few motivated mappers in US. In Canada they
do a much
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote:
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote:
I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the
initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up
later. We've been working on lots
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote:
I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the
initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up
later. We've been working on lots of post-import fixups in the last 6
months and it's much harder than everyone
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell
ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
It probably has to be a relation. Include a start node, an end node,
and a list of one or more ways (which are connected to form one
logical way).
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would
be
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed.
But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at least in
many parts of the world, is
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed.
But that doesn't always reflect reality. The
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the
houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't know any place except in US where this has been done.
Even if it weren't done anywhere else (which it is, see below), there
are a lot of houses in the US.
how is that easier than the Karlsruhe scheme?
It's
follow the OSM principle.
map what's on the ground no matter where you are
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com
If we're going to go into detail, no type of interpolation reflects
reality, it's just interpolation.
I disagree. An approximation of reality reflects reality.
Physical street surveys will almost never get 100% reality due to missing
house numbers, etc. Are you proposing to discourage
FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation
ways at -
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
The results are at
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like
this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a
tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules
They did? What
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian hasn't (yet) mentioned whether this data he deals with contains
potential address ranges or actual ranges, so I assumed actual.
The fact that it's tagged on the line segments representing the road
centerline pretty
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
There are cases with Karlruhe Scheme that need addditional tags like
Czech addresses but I haven't heard of such cases from US or other
mappers.
I recently started using a new modifier tag addr:inclusion to help in
accurately
Hi,
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like
this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a
tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the
road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear
which side an address is on, better than any tags you can put on the
Hi,
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the
road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear
which side an address is on, better than any
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I consider interpolation ways to be an abstract thing also. To convey the
information, they need to be on each side of the road
The thing is, they don't.
As long as there is no doubt (for the
person viewing the
Hiya,
2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com:
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data
in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
street centerline. Is there an accepted way of applying these tags to the
road ways? It doesn't really
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote:
Hiya,
2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com:
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing
data
in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
street centerline. Is
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote:
That's a pretty pessimistic view.
Sorry, I am pretty grumpy today. The area I'm looking at actually has quite
a few mappers already, so I imagine this data would probably get updated
quickly.
For the record an
2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com:
What does the math look like to handle intersections? Curvy roads?
I admit that data wasn't complex, all segments were straight and all
nodes were treated as intersections. Do you have parametric (e.g.
bezier) curves or just lots of short segments making
2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
wrote:
The hope is that local mappers there will be slowly improving imported
data until there are separate points for every address I think? Then
I'd recommend just adding those
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data
in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
street centerline.
Can you identify the location of the Addr for the
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote:
Hiya,
2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com:
I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing
data
in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
street centerline. Is
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I doubt local mappers will improve the data.
If that's true (and I'm really not sure if it is), then it really
shouldn't be in OSM in the first place.
I sent this mail because
almost all of the data I've seen available
Ian Dees wrote:
* Ok, not impossible, but the import size would triple and the CPU
time to compute the new addressing-only ways might make it hard for
the regular mapper to do.
But for no added code and editor complexity.
IMHO the only decent alternative is using a relation for each address
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would
be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and
right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the
most troublesome.
Ian Dees wrote:
* Ok, not impossible, but the import size would triple and the CPU
time to compute the new addressing-only ways might make it hard for
the regular mapper to do.
But for no added code and editor complexity.
IMHO the only decent alternative is using a relation for each address
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote:
That's a pretty pessimistic view.
Sorry, I am pretty grumpy today. The area I'm looking at actually has quite
a few mappers already, so I imagine this data would probably get updated
quickly.
For the record an
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