Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Raphael Studer
Hi, A feature catalogue requires a very different approach to using the map, though: The user has to be quite methodical to first decide what they are looking for, then open the appropriate category in the catalogue. My approach while looking on a card is, searching for information. So I know

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/01/13 08:03, Raphael Studer wrote: A feature catalogue requires a very different approach to using the map, though: The user has to be quite methodical to first decide what they are looking for, then open the appropriate category in the catalogue. My approach while looking on a

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/23/2013 09:35 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: I suspect that looking for things of type X is more of an end user goal though, which isn't the target audience for the OSM web site. ...or is it? :-) The question we should be asking is what sort of approach helps mappers and for that I suspect

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/22/2013 09:35 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Right now, in Roland's version, it isn't even clear that one should click on the map to get information. In one of the EWG meetings POI display was split into two separate tasks:

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/01/13 11:07, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 01/22/2013 09:35 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Right now, in Roland's version, it isn't even clear that one should click on the map to get information. In one of the EWG meetings POI display was split into two separate tasks:

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/23/2013 12:31 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: Well that one seems wrong to me as it is approaching the issue from one of achieving feature parity with Google Maps, but as I have always understood it that has never been our goal. It also provides better user experience. Sure we can say that the

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/01/13 13:48, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 01/23/2013 12:31 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: Well that one seems wrong to me as it is approaching the issue from one of achieving feature parity with Google Maps, but as I have always understood it that has never been our goal. It also provides better user

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-23 Thread Alex Barth
If we're talking about upping expectations, let me toss in: speed. If we do POIs we should do them right and that includes instant response in my mind. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Hi. I'd like to put the discussion of Roland's POI feature in

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-22 Thread Maarten Deen
Do you exclude certain POIs from the selection? post_box, telephone and recycling do not show any details. There is an example for recycling and telephone here http://overpass.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.328lon=5.98zoom=18layers=M Regards, Maarten

[OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-22 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi. I'd like to put the discussion of Roland's POI feature in perspective. Last month the team of openstreetmap.ru released their version of POI search and display engine. Check out the screenshot: http://shtosm.ru/pictures/osmrupoi.gif and another one:

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-22 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 22.01.2013 09:35, Ilya Zverev wrote: When a marker is clicked, a popup appears with relevant tags translated into russian: name, opening_hours (parsed), address (using reverse geocoding), cuisine for restaurants, operator, website etc. I like that part, it's clear that effort has gone into

Re: [Talk-de] [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-22 Thread Andreas Labres
On 22.01.13 08:52, Roland Olbricht wrote: Not every closed way is an area, so there has to be some tag selection. There is a short list of keys that imply an area (e.g. building, landuse, natural, leisure), otherwise there has to be an explicit area=yes tag. /al

Re: [Talk-de] [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/1/22 Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 22.01.13 08:52, Roland Olbricht wrote: Not every closed way is an area, so there has to be some tag selection. There is a short list of keys that imply an area (e.g. building, landuse, natural, leisure), otherwise there has to be an explicit area=yes

[OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, have you ever been annoyed that Mapnik doesn't render a name for a street or a pub, although you are interested in? The POI click feature for osm.org now has a public prototype: http://overpass.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ Just click on the map somewhere and all the nearby named items

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Toby Murray
Neat! I think this is a great feature that makes our data easier for potential users and editors to see which makes it more obvious that we are more than just a pretty map. One thing about tags: You might want to consider hiding some. Especially well known import related tags. I'm thinking

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
This looks nice. It's unobstructive and light, but powerfull. I have a few feature requests :) - It would be nice to have a transparent circle where you click your mouse, with the diameter of those 20 meters on zoom 18 So you know what area the baloon is showing. - When you put the URL in the

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Some remarks: 1) zooming in by double click should IMHO not trigger the bubble zoom in to... 2) the bubble with the pois is too high sometimes. It looks like it's size may be restricted to 100% of the window height, but that's too much as it requires panning the map to read everything

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Damn... Forgot to mention: great effort of course - but I tested first, wrote my results down and forgot to add the congratulation stuff before sending. regards Peter Am 21.01.2013 09:37, schrieb Roland Olbricht: Dear all, have you ever been annoyed that Mapnik doesn't render a name for a

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.01.2013 09:37, Roland Olbricht wrote: The POI click feature for osm.org now has a public prototype: http://overpass.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ Let me start this with: Thank you for tackling the issue! Before this moves to the main site, I would like to improve the usability as much

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/21/13 11:21, Tobias Knerr wrote: Yes, indeed - from the way I imagined the POI display, it should not simply be a list of tags, but a human-friendly presentation. This includes filtering, formatting and translations from tags to human language and presentation conventions. Isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
THIS...IS...AWESOME! :) There are of course feature requests/suggestions. 1) Make it more obvious for people that the POIs can be clicked on. It doesn't have to be on the POIs themselves so it might fall outside of your technical solution. Or maybe lift the solution from Wikipedia's POI map

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Christian Quest
Some good ideas can be found on http://openlinkmap.org/ But of course it depends on the goal of such a new feature... bring something useful mainly for contributors or for a more broader audience. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/1/21 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: This looks nice. It's unobstructive and light, but powerfull. +1, great functionality, will be great to have this on the main map! In the future, we should make a service that gives meaning to key-value pairs. For example, oneway=yes and oneway=-1

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
One thing about tags: You might want to consider hiding some. Especially well known import related tags. I'm thinking specifically of the tiger:* tags we have here in the US but there might be others. They are obviously a formatting nightmare but they are also not really *our* data so

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
- It would be nice to have a transparent circle where you click your mouse, with the diameter of those 20 meters on zoom 18 So you know what area the baloon is showing. - When you put the URL in the headline, put it on the website tag too. Before I read your mail to the end, I tried to click

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Roland, On 21 January 2013 08:37, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: Dear all, have you ever been annoyed that Mapnik doesn't render a name for a street or a pub, although you are interested in? Really nice and would be great to see it on osm.org. It is just a shame that so

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello Peter, thank you for the feedback. I've moved all but 4) to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/POI_display to not loose the suggestions. 4) especially for POIs not displayed on the map it might be useful to show an additional icon, as there's a missing link between poi nearby and the

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/1/21 Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de: Hello Peter, thank you for the feedback. I've moved all but 4) to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/POI_display to not loose the suggestions. 4) especially for POIs not displayed on the map it might be useful to show an additional icon, as

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
On 21 January 2013 13:49, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: Having the icons on the map is unlikely possible, because there might be simply not enough space on the Mapnik map. Maybe so but having clickable POI's is a lot less useful if loads of them don't render. A lot of common

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 21.01.2013 14:49, schrieb Roland Olbricht: Hello Peter, thank you for the feedback. I've moved all but 4) to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/POI_display to not loose the suggestions. 4) especially for POIs not displayed on the map it might be useful to show an additional icon, as

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 21.01.2013 14:44, schrieb Kevin Peat: As an extra feature, if an element has a tag value starting withhttp://;, the headline of the element gets a hyperlink to the URL written in this tag value. Would it be possible for the website tag to always be written as a link addinghttp:// if

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/21/2013 03:17 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: A perfect solution here might be to extend Mapnik to report as additional meta data to a tile the objects rendered (and/or skipped) Mapnik has a grid renderer that does exactly what you described:

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello Peter, Having the icons on the map is unlikely possible, because there might be simply not enough space on the Mapnik map. If I get a popup saying something about 3 restaurants, but I only see one or two, that looks strange and I have no idea, where the third one might be on the

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
There are of course feature requests/suggestions. Thank you for the response. Some of them have already been suggested, and I will try to collect them all on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/POI_display 1) Make it more obvious for people that the POIs can be clicked on. It doesn't have to

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
I think Serge was focusing on a human-readable summary of changesets, but his code may be usable for creating a more human-friendly POI inspector. My 2¢ for taking this from good to great: * Restrict to POIs and buildings with POI-type tags. Metadata for streets is much less useful for the

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
On 21/01/13 20:11, Roland Olbricht wrote: 5) Link to the Wikipedia entry if there is one, with priority to the UI's language of choice. This has been done before, I think, in the Wikipedia POI map. You could maybe use the same api to get the correct language. I thought that the wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Thanks for the hint. Last time I asked for this functionality (more than a year ago) I was told that it's not possible in mapnik. As far as I understand it's still a complete additional rendering to perform, as it renders once for the tile and once for meta information in fact.

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Rovastar
What a great addition to the growing new tools/features to the OSM homepage. Fantastic work. In fact I am using the beta as my main map now. A couple of things. A)I having problems when selecting any (large) area. For example a stadium, park, shopping centre, hospital, school, etc where they are

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 21.01.2013 22:42, schrieb Rovastar: What a great addition to the growing new tools/features to the OSM homepage. Fantastic work. In fact I am using the beta as my main map now. A couple of things. A)I having problems when selecting any (large) area. For example a stadium, park, shopping

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
A)I having problems when selecting any (large) area. For example a stadium, park, shopping centre, hospital, school, etc where they are amenity, etc as an area. Is that because I am not hitting the actual nodes? Or maybe you are not covering areas properly? Thank you for pointing this out.