Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks quite easy to get a program running on it - the main problem for me will be graphics - without looking at the kernel sources it is not obvious how they have coded it - no SDL or GTK libraries listed etc - they might be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2010 15:15, grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks like the TomTom will not be difficult to write code for. TomTom themselves recognise that they have used OpenSource code to develop it, and provide the open source bits of the software (linux kernels, libraries, and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread Graham Jones
John, You (and Stefan) are probably right - making an OSM to TomTom data format converter would probably be more sensible and take less effort. I had hoped that the TomTom code would have had a standard graphics library included so it would be easy to port an existing OSM based router to it, but

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/8 grahamjones...@googlemail.com: how they have coded it - no SDL or GTK libraries listed etc - they might be writing directly to the framebuffer with their own code. maybe I don't get the meaning of this thread, but just in case, are you aware of this:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2010 23:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: maybe I don't get the meaning of this thread, but just in case, are you aware of this: http://www.opentom.org/OpenTomSDL more Info here: http://www.opentom.org/OpenTom:Community_Portal and here

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John McKerrell
On 8 Apr 2010, at 15:18, John Smith wrote: On 8 April 2010 23:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: maybe I don't get the meaning of this thread, but just in case, are you aware of this: http://www.opentom.org/OpenTomSDL more Info here:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 02:09, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: I didn't think it was likely to be possible though, don't they use DRM to stop this as if you could get OSM data on there you'd be able to steal their data too. I guess there must be a way as most other DRM has been cracked, but

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:36, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2010 15:15,  grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks like the TomTom will not be difficult to write code for. TomTom themselves recognise that they have used OpenSource code to develop it, and provide

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 02:18, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're underestimating the effort that goes into reverse engineering a format. Many man-years have gone into reverse engineering the Garmin format (and it's still not fully understood), the Microsoft Office format

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 16:25, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 April 2010 02:18, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're underestimating the effort that goes into reverse engineering a format. Many man-years have gone into reverse engineering the Garmin

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 02:50, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure there's someone on-list with access to a few hundred million dollars and access to large electronics manufacturing capability coupled with a global distribution network. Considering most electronics of this type

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-08 Thread Steve Doerr
John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote in message news:b84c5e6c-bd2b-47f5-b207-bac484b84...@mckerrell.net... I, for one, would love to see OSM maps on my Tom Tom to avoid issues like http://yfrog.com/0r1p1j That's avoidable (a second time, at least) by using the map correction dialogue in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-07 Thread John McKerrell
On 5 Apr 2010, at 23:21, John Smith wrote: On 6 April 2010 05:25, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I get a question at about one in three of the events I attend regarding TomTom or other oddball GPS devices. My fall back is to just recommend what I'm using, even with the drawbacks of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2010 18:26, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: As far as I'm aware it's not possible to put OSM maps onto a Tom Tom, not as a data layer in Tom Tom's format anyway. To do so would require cracking their data format and whatever encryption they're using for it which I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-07 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Most hardware hackers just require a new toy to start off, so perhaps step one would be to get a donation of hardware and/or raise the funds needed to purchase one. It´s the same TomTom-software they use on

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-07 Thread grahamjones139
It looks like the TomTom will not be difficult to write code for. TomTom themselves recognise that they have used OpenSource code to develop it, and provide the open source bits of the software (linux kernels, libraries, and compiler) (http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl). It looks quite

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi All, I wondered if anyone is using a TomTom SatNav with OpenStreetMap maps? [ ... ] Can anyone provide me with any pointers please? +1 from me. I get a question at about one in three of the events I attend

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread Graham Jones
Looks like another good one for next year's Google Summer of Code then.If only I'd thought of these 2 months ago! Unless I run out of nerdy jobs to do next winter and do it myselfIf they have got Gnome/GTK running on the TomTom it shouldn't be too difficult to port a routing app to it -

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Graham, Be aware that the GTK code that draws rotated text (Pango) is quite slow. You can ask Willem-Jan De Hoog who ported gosmore to the maemo. Richard, are you aware that most oddball GPSs are WinCE powered and that OSM has several apps for them. Sometimes you need to browse the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Graham, Be aware that the GTK code that draws rotated text (Pango) is quite slow. You can ask Willem-Jan De Hoog who ported gosmore to the maemo. Richard, are you aware that most oddball GPSs are WinCE powered and that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: So MioPocket can unlock some of these devices, then allow use of say Gosmore + OSM data? 'Jailbreak' is not the correct term. Both the legalities and the technicalities can best be described as 'booting from SD card'.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 April 2010 05:25, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I get a question at about one in three of the events I attend regarding TomTom or other oddball GPS devices. My fall back is to just recommend what I'm using, even with the drawbacks of a reverse-engineered format. That doesn't