Re: [OSM-talk-be] Imde-Impde?

2010-06-24 Thread Andre Engels
2010/6/25 filip wolters filip_wolt...@hotmail.com: Weet iemand de juiste spelling van een deelgemeente van Meise? Ik vind zowel Imde als Impde terug in het WWW en op de kaarten. Op

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were transfered to Russian Federation. Neither USSR, nor Russian Federation ever transferred those maps to public domain or in any other way allowed free use

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Eugene Iline
Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government, its military divisions or perhaps from Roskartografiya? 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: No, they are not out

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project : http://www.bunkertrails.org/maps.php On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Iline evge...@ily.in wrote: Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government,

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or placing cities. mike On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: We purchased them from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Did they show you any documents confirming that that do really have ANY rights to sell those maps? I\m sure they did not... K. 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ Here the same data is available from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Purchasing stolen maps does not make them public domain... 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were transfered to

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
It makes no difference how you used them!!! They are not good for osm! K. 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM data by using the OSM tools.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: Hello everybody, I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or cannot share proprietary data. Umm, if you want it so

[OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio
Hello, thanks. Solved. I think the problem was that I was downloading the file to a remote disk (R: mapped to \\lanserver\data) Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to Postgres, what is the size of the largest table created (which I presume will take up 80% of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 09:34 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) Really, if people (businesses, charities, individuals or whoever) have data they wish to keep private, they can still use OSM data internally. If they want to Publicly Convey this Database, any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan gravityst...@... writes: No. That would be avoiding the whole point of the share-alike license. If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. It's called share-alike!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5 in a different way that I do. [...] For me

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 10:07 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: For me it looks like business users can feel safe with their data if they do not make derivative databases, for example by enhancing their own data by taking tags from OSM database. If enhancing means incorporating the data into a single

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use it in conjunction with OSM data. There is too much geodata in the world for this to be sustainable - OSM must stick to things that mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and poehali.org too. They both hosted outside Russia. So this maps can't be reliable identified as public domain maps. Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project :

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Users must just take care that they do not edit cable lines according to what they see on the OSM map, otherwise all of the cable network data will be considered to be derived from OSM data and thus fall under odbl. Very very broadly yes, but actually at that point

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I think you should take this to the legal list. As far as I know, the copyright laws of england count for osm, not those of russia. mike 2010/6/24 Alexandr Zeinalov shu...@sbin.ru We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
Well that got more of a reaction than floating a discussion on the tagging list, didn't it? The tagging list was set up so that the main list wouldn't be bothered with such stuff. There was no debate on the wiki, except a brief comment that presumably resulted in the tag-to-higher approach (from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are in Russia and which may have problems using osm with copyright data in it? Did I get you right? K. 24 июня 2010 г. 13:56 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал: I think you should

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I am not saying that. I am saying that this is a topic for lawyers. from what I learned about the discussion on wikipedia datapoints, it is uk law that governs osm data. mike 2010/6/24 Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Eugene Iline
Well then assuming this we can even say that anyone not being physically in UK can use any copyrighted source (Google sat.) for instance to contribute to OSM, right? 24 июня 2010 г. 14:22 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал: I am not saying that.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 June 2010 09:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
But you should know that there are some copyright international agreements between many countries. Russian laws can't be used in England, and russian military secrets can't be protected by English laws. But it doesn't concern with copyright laws. Roscartographia is a copyright holder for soviet

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: I think that OSM as a whole - and this is not a legal issue - needs to improve interoperability. What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Well that got more of a reaction than floating a discussion on the tagging list, didn't it? The tagging list was set up so that the main list wouldn't be bothered with such stuff. The tagging list was

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
I believe this junction is tagged as per the wiki (which Andy kindly reverted to it's previous state). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.73915lon=-1.10389zoom=15layers=B000FTF Here's the same junction as per the cycle map layer:

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you dislike. What purpose do the _link tags serve other than rendering? If there's a serious

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
When people in one country use servers in another country, the laws affecting those users may not be the same as those affecting the servers themselves. For example, some works are public-domain in Australia, but still in copyright in the USA. So, it is legal for those works to be on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
This is only possible if those countries are nt members of international copyright treaties. Russia (and USSR) and UK - are members of those treaties. So same laws apply. And by the way I am 100% sure that in UK stolen and later sold copyright materials are not treated us public domain. K.

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: And by the way I am 100% sure that in UK stolen and later sold copyright materials are not treated us public domain. Can I see some documentation on this theft? Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2010 23:00, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Can I see some documentation on this theft? Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for the people selling them, and see what happens? You do realise DCMA is only for sites hosted in the US

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: What purpose do the _link tags serve other than rendering? They can be used by routers to give more accurate descriptions...

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread Phil! Gold
* Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com [2010-06-24 01:34 -0700]: Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to Postgres, what is the size of the largest table created (which I presume will take up 80% of the whole DB)? I can't speak for the whole planet.osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Allan wrote: They can be used by routers to give more accurate descriptions - e.g. since we don't (yet) indicate junction priorities, it can be helpful if you are on a *_link and going onto a * to announce it as join the main carriageway. If it was e.g. just highway=trunk for both, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread David Paleino
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:09:11 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: [..] But tag-for-lower is better. And I still haven't read why you think this is better, apart from rendering issues. As Andy said, the burden of demonstrating the goodness of a change is up to who wants to make that change. -- . ''`.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, thanks. Solved. I think the problem was that I was downloading the file to a remote disk (R: mapped to \\lanserver\data) Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: What purpose do the _link tags serve

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:22, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: And I still haven't read why you think this is better, apart from rendering issues. As Andy said, the burden of demonstrating the goodness of a change is up to who wants to make that change. I've been following this thread and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: overall disk use ~ 130 GB and growing about 2.5 GB/week at the moment. Is there a way to reduce this overhead without re-importing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: You need to explain, without referring to renderering *at any point in the discussion* why your solution is both conceptually better than what we have, and why your solution is worth all the hassle and confusion that

[OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Has the update frequency changed for OpenCycleMap? Some bike lanes added in late May and early June still haven't appeared yet. Ed Hillsman Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL 33620-5375 813-974-2977

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
there is no mention of PD for these maps at mapstore.com. they are not even free of copyright from poehali.net free download doesn't mean PD Can I use the maps in my own project? You have the right to use maps for the purpose of familiarization for personal use. To use the maps or other

Re: [OSM-talk] Good book on GIS concepts

2010-06-24 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
i think this can be a good start point http://linfiniti.com/dla/ videopdf to introduce the GIS with qgis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: views or oppose them, but certainly the main point of this discussion is that should we want to change it you can't just change the wiki and declare it done! I completely agree to this and think it also applies to many other wiki edits. Sadly, as

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Gregory Williams
Updates that I've made in the past week are now showing on zooms = 12. It's not quite there for zooms 12, but I suspect that that's simply because the tiles haven't managed to upload to Andy's web host yet from the machine where he carries out the main rendering. I do remember seeing Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] Good book on GIS concepts

2010-06-24 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 23/06/2010 16:33, sko...@free.fr escribió: Would anyone recommend a good book on GIS/Geodesy/etc that could be used to understand the underlying concepts behind most GIS applications ? Try: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Library http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Libros_de_SIG Best, -- Iván Sánchez

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Shaun McDonald
Hi Gregory, Your a little out of date of the way that the cycle map is run. It uses the live mapnk rendering, with no upload required. However it is still a weekly update, and can take a week to fully update assuming that the disk doesn't fill up first. Shaun On 24 Jun 2010, at 16:40,

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah I emailed Andy when I first started contributing to OSM because changes weren't showing up and some zoom levels in my area returned nothing but error tiles. He said the server was totally overloaded but that he was working on an upgrade. Since then updates have been hit and miss and the zoom

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Gregory Williams
Ooops. Thanks for correcting my Shaun. Unfortunately I've not had quite so much time to keep up-to-date on OSM happenings of late. From: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] Sent: 24 June 2010 16:55 To: Gregory Williams Cc: 'Hillsman, Edward'; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 24/06/2010 16:57, Toby Murray wrote: Two days ago he tweeted that the new server was nearly ready so hopefully things will improve soon! And don't forget, if you think OpenCycleMap.org is great, you could always call in at the shop on the way out: http://shop.opencyclemap.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 24 Jun 2010, at 5:24 , Richard Mann wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you dislike. What purpose do the _link tags

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio
From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet) To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 4:28 PM On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
Yeah. Also, as Toby says, it's pretty much totally overloaded, and has been for the last few months. What's happened recently was that the updates broke for a few weeks, and were restarted last Wednesday. The disk cache then filled up completely on Friday, so there was only a small window for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Ed Avis
Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to duplicate the information. In practice a renderer such as Mapnik may not allow you to write such

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Lester Caine
Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to duplicate the information. But how do you know that a way IS a slip from one

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 02:59, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: download a section of map. As well as taking care of the different kinds of link road, these could also provide 'is_in', 'leading_to' and 'dead_end' for dead_end can't be guessed at, it could be bad mapping, is_in is redundant, you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Lester Caine
Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread john whelan
An alternative is to use Maperitive and render on the local PC. Its just a matter of using the right rules for rendering but you do need an .OSM file from the web unless you have a local copy. Cheerio John On 24 June 2010 12:53, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. Also, as Toby

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 June 2010 00:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: overall disk use ~ 130 GB and growing about 2.5 GB/week at the moment. Is there a way to reduce this overhead without re-importing? I'm not sure I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 04:37, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand your question. Over time, the overhead increases, not just the amount of data. You can import a bounding box or extract and have smaller tables. You can import without --slim, if you have the hardware for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Anthony wrote: You could always have highway=link. But some links ARE motorway rules and some ARE trunk road so just saying link does not work. I guess, but now you're using a different definition of *_link. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Liz
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Andy Allan wrote: It starts coming down to questions of time and money, and I only have a limited supply of both :-) Usually one has either time OR money, and never both at once ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: You could always have highway=link. But some links ARE motorway rules and some ARE trunk road so just saying link does not work. highway=* link=yes ? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: highway=* link=yes actually I like this, but it's not the first time it is proposed here, and I think you can hardly change tags used as often and for so long time as this. It would probably end up in a similar mess than path and footway. cheers,

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 23 giugno 2010 22.15, Matteo matservi...@yahoo.it ha scritto: l'edificio della stazione invece l'ho disegnato e taggato così: area=yes building=train_station name=nome stazione railway=station Perché area=yes? Io non l'ho usato. Considerazione personale: i treni non hanno bisogno di

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Daniele Forsi
Il 24 giugno 2010 09.19, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Considerazione personale: i treni non hanno bisogno di routing. ma gli umani si, a qualcuno potrebbero interessare tutti i percorsi ferrovairi per andare da A a B L'avevo notato anch'io. Non disegna neanche gli embankment (il collegamento

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 24 giugno 2010 09.54, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 giugno 2010 09.19, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Considerazione personale: i treni non hanno bisogno di routing. ma gli umani si, a qualcuno potrebbero interessare tutti i percorsi ferrovairi per andare da A a B Se vuoi

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/6/24 Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com: Considerazione personale: i treni non hanno bisogno di routing. ma gli umani si, a qualcuno potrebbero interessare tutti i percorsi ferrovairi per andare da A a B Però il routing dei treni non si fa così: Gli umani vanno da A a B prendendo un treno,

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/6/23 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: Supponi la classica stazione piccolina di paese (un binario solo) in cui metti il nodo sul binario all'altezza dell'edificio della stazione. Sembra corretto, no? Eppure per il routing potrebbero capitare disastri. Di solito in questi paesi ci sono

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: mi par di capire che è proprio quello che fanno i tedeschi: http://osm.org/go/0MbGwL2O Quello pero non è una stazione ma un posto di manutenzione di treni. La stazione principale di Berlino:

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/6/24 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: La stazione principale di Berlino: Secondo me ci conviene guardare di più alle piccole stazioni piuttosto che alle grandi. Una stazione grande deve essere mappata in maniera complessa (ha più ingressi ecc.) e può tornare utile l'Oxomoa-schema

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Stefano Salvador
Quello pero non è una stazione ma un posto di manutenzione di treni. ops ... a non conoscere le lingue si fanno figuracce ... Ad amburgo hanno messo la stazione non conesso ai binari. A Strasburgo ho visto che hanno messo una stazione ad ogni binario invece (evidentemente non funziona bene

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: 2010/6/24 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: La stazione principale di Berlino: Secondo me ci conviene guardare di più alle piccole stazioni piuttosto che alle grandi. il consenso è di mettere un nodo su un binario con railway=station,

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Filippo
Con JOSM non riesco più a vedere le ortofoto...vedo solo sfondo rosa con il watermark... quindi ho fatto le modifiche indicate dal PCN cache.wmsplugin.expire=0 cache.wmsplugin.maxsize=70 wmsplugin.timeout.connect=0 wmsplugin.timeout.read=0 wmsplugin.url.overlap=false Ma la situazione resta la

Re: [Talk-it] Dati SRTM

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/23 Filippo Dal Bosco - filippo.dalbo...@libero.it: con la nuova generazione di satelliti gps ( investimento americano 8 miliardi di dollari) l' accuratezza dovrebbe arrivare a 1 metro. Segue che per l' altezza dovrebbe essere 10 metri. non mi aspetterei troppo della nuova generazione,

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 6/24/10, Filippo perscrive...@gmail.com wrote: Con JOSM non riesco più a vedere le ortofoto...vedo solo sfondo rosa con il watermark... quindi ho fatto le modifiche indicate dal PCN io avevo gia` fatto le modifiche, usato una volta le immagini, e stamattina ho sfondo rosso con exception

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Francesco Ferri
Il 23/06/2010 18:53, niubii ha scritto: Io ho un IP dinamico, credo di essere stato bannato ad perpetuam perche' vedo solo il watermark su uno sfondo azzurro. Ciao Anch'io con IP dinamico vedo solo il watermark, ma non credo dipenda dal ban, altrimenti non vedremmo neanche quello. Uso

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Filippo perscrive...@gmail.com: Con JOSM non riesco più a vedere le ortofoto...vedo solo sfondo rosa con il watermark... è rimasta veramente pallosa la situazione. Sto disegnando in una zona abbstanza ampia e di questo comportamento del PCN risulta che non riesco a collegare le

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Stefano Salvador
Anch'io con IP dinamico vedo solo il watermark, ma non credo dipenda dal ban, altrimenti non vedremmo neanche quello. +1, credo stiano lavorandoci sopra, ieri funzionava. oggi non ho fatto niente e adesso anche da browser vedo solo il watermark. attendiamo con pazienza. Ciao, Stefano

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Daniele Forsi
Il 24 giugno 2010 10.00, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 giugno 2010 09.54, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 giugno 2010 09.19, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Considerazione personale: i treni non hanno bisogno di routing. ma gli umani si, a qualcuno

Re: [Talk-it] R: Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/6/24 Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com: non mi sono spiegato bene, ho scritto tutti i percorsi non il percorso migliore, mi riferivo a un grafo dei percorsi ferroviari dove farebbe più comodo avere name=* su un nodo che fa parte di una way con railway=rail piuttosto che uno esterno nelle

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: Supponi anche di fare le cose per bene (mappi l'edificio della stazione, i percorsi pedonali dalla piazza della stazione all'edificio ai binari ecc.) +1 Ma se sei in macchina e attivi il profilo auto sul navigatore (99% dei casi) tutto questo è

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: ieri mi sono sentito al telefono un paio di volte con Salvatore Costabile del PCN,... Il PCN si è dimostrato ragionevole e disposto ad ascoltare le nostre necessità e a modificare le proprie soglie di accesso, nonche' a rendere disponibile una

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Stefano Salvador
ci sono delle notizie? Vedo solo watermark su sfondo nero da ieri sera. Hanno già cambiato la soglia? Mi sembrava ultimamente ancora abbastanza limitata. Questo nuovo comportamento di non bloccare più l'acesso con errore 403 (o simile) ma di mandare dei tiles vuoti con watermark cmq. crea

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread morpheus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefano Salvador wrote: +1, credo stiano lavorandoci sopra, ieri funzionava. oggi non ho fatto niente e adesso anche da browser vedo solo il watermark. Da un'ora all'altra il watermark è diventato un po' troppo visibile e fastidioso. Jacopo -

Re: [Talk-it] Ferrovie

2010-06-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 24 giugno 2010 12.02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: Probabilmente dovresti specificare in questi casi (IMO rari, dove passano due strade alla stazione ma solo una è conessa --- io connosco nella realtà solo posti dove si accede da ambi lati, altrimenti vedo lì anche

Re: [Talk-it] Proposta per un Talk su OSM in Roma

2010-06-24 Thread Fabri
Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Eppure al primo incontro/mapping party a Roma (Domenica, 20 Aprile 2008, ore 16:00 fuori la stazione Metro Monti Tiburtini) era più di 0,1- 1 persona. si, siamo stati in 3, pero uno si è ritrasferito a Napoli oramai ;-)

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: A parte questo direi che il watermark è del tutto illegale (quello presente ora) perchè se le foto sono loro possono metterci www.pcn.minambiente.it se no devono metterci per forza quello di terraitaly/cgr/bool o come c...@#!o si chiama la ditta

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Luca Delucchi
A parte che non capisco tutta sto casino che state facendo per delle mappe di merda che se vogliono farle utilizzare senza tanti problemi bene se no che se le tengano chiuse nel cassetto e che si ci facciano delle pugnette sopra! A parte questo direi che il watermark è del tutto illegale (quello

[Talk-it] PCN, Josm e nuovo watermark

2010-06-24 Thread Giorgio Scandiuzzo
In questi giorni ho avuto modo di usare in maniera intensiva il wms con le ortofoto del PCN. Non ho riscontrato i problemi rilevati da molti (non so se è per botta di culo), per cui riporto quello che ho rilevato: 1) ho usato sia pc ad IP fisso (quello di lavoro) sia ad IP dinamico (il

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread Stefano Salvador
A parte che non capisco tutta sto casino Se a te non interessano puoi tranquillamente non usarle ed evitare di leggere queste mail (metti un bel filtro sul termine PCN e sei a posto). Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Archeologia con le mappe del progetto OpenStreetMap - ARCHEOMATICA con le mappe del progetto OpenStreetMap

2010-06-24 Thread pierpiggi
On 22/06/2010 14:26, Infoweblan di Roberto Vito Gerardo wrote: Archeologia + Informatica + Gis + Mappe del progetto OpenStreetMap L'idea di base è quella di utilizzare le mappe del progetto OpenStreetMap e l'esperienza maturata durante la mappatura della zona archeologica di Pompei per creare

Re: [Talk-it] mio ban dal PCN

2010-06-24 Thread iiizio iiizio
2010/6/24 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Credo che stiano rigenerando le immagini con il watermark [1] (oppure ci sono stati errori nella generazione): dalle mie parti ho trovato affiancate zone a posto ad altre con solo il watermark. Non credo sia una questione di ban. Forse

Re: [Talk-it] Dati SRTM

2010-06-24 Thread Filippo Dal Bosco -
Il giorno Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:03:59 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: non mi aspetterei troppo della nuova generazione, già il sistema vecchio permette una precisione inferiore ad un metro, solo che è lasciando da parte le possibili interferenze ( non mi ricordo l'

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