Re: [Talk-us] Semi-import of TIGER 2011 in a small area

2012-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:39:50AM -0600, Toby Murray wrote: Thanks for sharing the details. I have done some limited mapping based on TIGER 2010 and 2011 data. I wonder if this is available as a WMS layer somehwere. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner changing his or her mind, so I only delete data that is tainted by a decliner that I have personally been in touch with about the license change and my best

Re: [Talk-us] Problem with an Armchair user

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 02:46:24PM -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: And if I messed with Texas, sorry. I'll go screw with Oklahoma instead :) I believe you got burned for doing that, too. Could you please tread lightly in territory where you have not yet physically put boots on the ground? Maybe

Re: [Talk-us] Problem with an Armchair user

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 15:42 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 1/17/2012 3:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 02:46:24PM -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: And if I messed with Texas, sorry. I'll go screw with Oklahoma instead :) I believe you got burned for doing that, too

[Talk-us] Minot, ND disaster remap

2012-01-18 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 It looks like some folks in the Minot area are using OSM and noting it's not reflecting it's post-flood state. Is anybody aware of current, post-flood WMS imagery for this area? http://www.mapdust.com/detail/1416573 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [Talk-us] Shootout in Vegas

2012-01-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 08:43 +1100, Nick Hocking wrote: If someone is driving past, could they clarify this for me please? Be sure to pin it on OpenStreetBugs, too. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/24/2012 9:20 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone want to team up to work on Austin, Texas (was LA and other license changeover challenged areas)

2012-01-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm making my way down I-35 from Dallas to Waco right now, processing data I collected over Christmas and license cleaning at the same time. I would be happy to keep going and do some license cleaning on down to

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping is good

2012-01-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: All mappers make some errors, whether you are talking about the mappers who originally created the data found in TIGER, OSM mappers, or even Google Maps. I found a case in

Re: [Talk-us] Identifying bike lanes (Re: LA and other license changeover challenged areas.)

2012-02-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/30/2012 8:38 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Many in Multnomah County only have diamonds, no arrows, no other markings, with a ◊ RIGHT LANE BIKE ONLY sign**every half mile or every block, whichever comes first

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 17:14 -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: [..]and copy in the TIGER 2011 name from the TMS overlay (remembering to un-abreviate as you go). As a reminder: the JOSM URL for that is

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US in Portland, Ore - details to follow

2012-02-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, drat, I'm heading out of Portland, hopefully for good this time, sometime between April and July. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, The SOTM US bid committee has considered the bids entered to hold this event later this year. I'm excited to

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: but overall, the automation saved countless hours of manual name expansion for the minor cost of having to deal with a very small number of largely

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead as an address tag (I've used addr:direction e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/**

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 51, Issue 19

2012-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Southwest Town Center Loop West comes to mind as a great example of just plain brain damaged street naming Wilsonville tends to have. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: You're assuming the street signs make sense. Do you preserve signs with mistakes or

Re: [Talk-us] street prefixes

2012-02-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Alan Millar grunthos...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Southwest Town Center Loop West comes to mind as a great example of just plain brain damaged street naming Wilsonville tends to have. You know, I should find out if I

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: Another update: they now color motorway_links with toll=yes green (and display toll booths at high zooms - not sure if this is new). The overlap where a toll motorway becomes a free motorway is a bit messy though.

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/29/2012 12:17 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Another update: they now color motorway_links with toll=yes green

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-03-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Still needs fixing: 'Banners' on county roads (e.g. CR 35 Alternate, CR 50 Old) C-* is a county road (in Ohio at least; it may be used for state highways in Colorado) Overlaps I believe in the OSM scheme, CR is county road. Colorado and Kansas typically stylize their state roads as C and K

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-03-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but when a local insists on tagging it one way, what's one to do? Let 'em know about consistency. Whenever practical, we should try to be as globally consistent as possible, if for no other reason than being able

[Talk-us] Changeset: 11154859

2012-03-30 Thread Paul Johnson
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11154859 has the comment proposed bikeways (primary greenways as rcn). I wonder, are these actually state cycleways? If not, then LCN would be the correct network. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset: 11154859

2012-03-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: (These are, in a way, part of a state network, with FDOT providing planning assistance and perhaps funding for connections between rural trails and city centers.) Cool, that's what I was curious about. But hey, stay

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * CrystalWalrein closed...@hotmail.com [2012-04-02 15:45 -0700]: For areas in New Jersey, when I look at this rendering, I get county shields for all 500-series roads, but no shields are shown for 600-series roads anywhere.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com wrote: And oddly, in the San Diego area, CA 209 and CA 75 (Point Loma and Coronado, respectively) don't render with your newer shields, but the old style Mapnik shields.  Even in read only mode I am unable coax JOSM to read

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-03 07:21 -0700]: Also curious how some of the more interesting edge cases work out, such as Missouri Secondary State Highways Someone seems to have made route relations for a lot

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: The edge cases are an opportunity for we, as a community, to get it right. There are many many more signed routes that will be interesting to one or more groups, as long as we have a reasonable way to tag them. That just

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/2012 11:19 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: A lot of those still don't render because they duplicate the subnetwork in the ref tag, so Loop 5 (picking an arbitrary number) might be represented as network=US:TX:LOOP, ref=5

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/2012 11:57 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: FM and RM should render identically (obviously since they're actually the same network) Er no. On roadside assemblies the text FARM ROAD and RANCH ROAD appears, and on green

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: Ah, okay.  I'll set them up just like other named-but-not-publically-numbered routes like the New Jersey Turnpike and look for network US:OK, no ref, and whetever their name is. Just to avoid confusion with ODOT highways

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/2012 12:52 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  [2012-04-03 11:44 -0400]: On 4/3/2012 11:19 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: A lot of those still don't render because they duplicate the

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 3, 2012 3:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That tagging is nonsense. There's no Truck U.S. Highway network, only a U.S. Highway network that includes truck-bannered routes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't bannered routes pretty much the reason for the modifier tag?

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: I stayed up way too late last night.  Try visiting those URLs again. (Once again, most of the map will rerender after you've looked at it so the way to see the

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: Meh.  I was mostly referring to weird stuff like US:TX:FM:Business or US:US:Business:MD.  To me, US:US:Business:MD falling back on US:US:Business is fine.  Tagwatch processes should catch common cases like

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: After more thought, in the general case, deprecating modifier and just using network to denote variations using the established : separator convention is probably sanest. Well, that kind of breaks the whole network

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman I'm making library calls to the routing code and it seems that the router does not understand cul-de-sacs

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag. Additionally, a

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki actually says 'there might be also a low, fully traversable dome'. My test is is it readily possible to drive over it? If yes, then mini. Otherwise, I treat it as any other median island. A theoretical North

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That's only correct if there are signs saying it's one-way. That's pretty shaky considering that a dividing island (and an island in what would otherwise be a flat turning circle is still such an island) is passed on

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 11, 2012 11:48 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: From what I've read, all US highways in California should get similar treatment, in that they're signed with different shields than the standard ones. Are there other regional sign variants for broader road networks in the US (or

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 4, 2012 12:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/4/2012 2:43 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote: Renderers can fallback to the longest left-anchored substring they understand for weird things they don't understand. Bad idea. Google Maps does something like this and it

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2012-04-11 17:33 -0700]: On Apr 11, 2012 11:48 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: From what I've read, all US highways in California should get similar treatment, in that they're

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-12 16:03 -0400]: Also I-270 Spur in Maryland, which *is* part of the Interstate Highway System and thus belongs in network=US:I First off, I still feel that there was a

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

2012-04-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 13, 2012 6:31 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One drawback to this new-coordinate technique is that, in some cases, the tainted nodes will have been in the proper locations to match the real world. So, in order to make the cleanup bot not consider the nodes to be tainted,

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: See http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-April/008032.html for the full discussion around the removal In summary: - The Fresno import has a number of issues - No one is opposed to removal if there are no

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: See http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Do those individual polygons have any useful information on them (addresses, for example)? If so, we should generate addr points from their centroids. Why?

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Do those

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Because that information is useless in OSM. It was out of date the second someone ran the upload script and unless the city of Fresno decides to switch to OSM for their official tax plat information (which I'm pretty sure

Re: [Talk-us] Address placement (was: Fresno castradal imports)

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: In OSM, the use case for address data is geocoding and I would argue that general use geocoding users would rather get a building outline or even a node at the main entrance of a location, not the centroid of the

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If parcel data is important to disaster response, I would expect the responder to go get the most up to date data from the source, not use stale data that was imported into OSM (potentially) some years ago Doesn't Haiti and

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On May 4, 2012 5:41 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: ...and we need to examine what our existing user tools and server processing and storage resources are and how they can handle the amount of data desired before just blindly throwing many times the existing data size at them.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Fresno fixes

2012-05-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: 3. Merge landuse areas with the same tag. This will essentially get rid of most of the individual parcels and turn them into one area for areas that are touching. Initially I had hoped the parcels could be addressed. But

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: http://g.co/maps/w7mnr That's not a mini, though, since you can't just drive over the island. Here's an eponymous example of a mini roundabout: http://goo.gl/6Qswf

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
So, you're suggesting we stop mapping nontraversable, hard medians? Because that's what it sounds like. Get your ears checked. Not necessary, I'm not the one suggesting node tagging is a substitute for mapping a nontraversible median. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Millsnat...@nwacg.net  wrote: http://g.co/maps/hnbp9 All three are roundabouts, yes. How are you going to properly map the first one

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-06-20

2012-06-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 06/24/2012 02:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Wow, the 4000MB image is looking a wee bit light...indeed the kml indicates a serious swiss cheese factor. What happened? Looks like Lambertus has been busy. A bunch of stuff has

[Talk-us] Dave and Lambertus Garmin maps

2012-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
One thing I've been wondering about for a while now is if it's possible to get the maxspeed and possibly minspeed values to be included. This would be handy to have as some areas have fairly complete speed data, and make it easier to spot inaccuracies and missing speed data.

Re: [Talk-us] Dave and Lambertus Garmin maps

2012-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 06/26/2012 08:09 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: One thing I've been wondering about for a while now is if it's possible to get the maxspeed and possibly minspeed values to be included. This would be handy to have as some areas

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff k...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of any efforts to tag them as such. Wisconsin has an actual state network of

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: In Maryland, the state has a brochure showing more or less where the byways are, and they're not entirely consistently signed[0]. I've put one into OpenStreetMap[1] and tagged it much as you did the Western Vistas Historic

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: Larger cleanups can be imposing at first glance. Other mappers will understand that a single mapper can't do everything at once, so you shouldn't be criticized if you fix a few things but not

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/12/2012 11:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I like that idea, especially given the high number of obviously not urban roads that would be better off tagged as track or unclassified getting counted as residential (a more urban

Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable

2012-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: Everyone, ****Having looked over the damage and deletions for the last hour, I feel the redaction has left the LA map essentially unusable. Huge blocks of streets are missing, including major roads and

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: Do you have any idea how big LA is? Do you have any idea how big the rest of the world is? It's not always about LA, sister. Get over it and start fixing. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Tracking Interstate Work Progress on OSM Wiki

2012-07-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:44 PM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.comwrote: What do folks on the list think of using a page such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JohnANovak/Interstates to track progress on Interstates (and similarly for other major road classes as well) Not

Re: [Talk-us] Bike infrastructure

2012-07-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to complete local bicycle infrastructure here in and around Salt Lake City. I obtained GIS data (a shapefile) containing local bike infrastructure[1], and a lot of it is already in there. I do have a

Re: [Talk-us] Highway ref again.

2012-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jul 26, 2012 11:30 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: ref=FH nn - USFS Forest Highway ref=FR nXn[n][.n] - USFS Forest Route/Road ref=FT nXn[n][.n] - USFS Forest Trail IIRC, all three of these are a single NFD network, for National Forest Development, and are distinguishable

Re: [Talk-us] Highway ref again.

2012-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jul 27, 2012 8:07 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At least in Region 5 (CA), the roads have N or S in the X position, while trails have E or W. However, I wasn't sure that everyone would necessarily know that, so I went with a more descriptive prefix, based on the

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Highway ref again.

2012-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, to the list this time...damn gmail and lack of reply-to-list... On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.netwrote: Getting the road/trail names/numbers out of the USFS is difficult, requiring a fair amount of research to find a map on which it is legible,

[Talk-us] Portland beering

2012-07-31 Thread Paul Johnson
I know I was put in charge of the next Portland beering, but I'm going to have to pass the torch...life got a bit complicated pretty much right off the bat after I took the torch, so I wasn't able to follow through on that. I'm leaving Portland in about two weeks thanks to some happy developments

Re: [Talk-us] Tags for Emergency Interstate

2012-08-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Aug 2, 2012 2:19 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: What is an emergency Interstate? I don't think I have ever heard that phrase before. Is it a detour to be used while the Interstate highway is under repair? For when the mainline is closed due to emergency, in locations

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed user SimMoonXP ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimMoonXP ) reclassifying a few isolated stretches of KS highway 7 in the Kansas City area. I sent a message asking why and he indicated that he was

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Richard Weait wrote: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/expressway expressway=yes, seems to be a fringe tag at best. I believe our German friends use motorroad=yes for this. Not quite. American expressways

[Talk-us] Fwd: [okgis] 2012 TIGER files

2012-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
This is probably of interest to us. -- Forwarded message -- From: Todd Fagin tfa...@coordinatesolutions.com Date: Aug 23, 2012 11:35 AM Subject: [okgis] 2012 TIGER files To: ok...@gis.ou.edu For those interested in these things, it looks as if the 2012 TIGER files are now

Re: [Talk-us] Large area of deleted streets in Riverside, Calif.

2012-09-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sep 11, 2012 10:43 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: a lot of the tiger looks the same, but for some of the really awful areas, tiger 2011/12 looks a great deal better. i'm planning on some selective replacement of unedited bad tiger data with newer, better tiger in upstate NY

Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?

2012-09-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: **Was there ever consensus on whether to use SR (or some variation on that) for state highways versus an abbreviation of the state name (CA or NY). I remember that there was discussion, but I don't remember

Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?

2012-09-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: what i recall is that NE2 likes the appearance of bare route numbers and most of his ref tags have no prefix at all (see FL, PA, NJ among other states where he did a lot of this.) this was, of course, tagging for

[Talk-us] Is it Tulsa time?

2012-09-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sep 18, 2012 10:09 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Does anybody have an update on their local OSM meetings? Just looking at nearby mappers, I would hazard to guess Tulsa probably has the critical mass to get the local chapter party started.

Re: [Talk-us] Portland Transit -- TriMet

2012-09-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Plus, there's going to be an interesting talk on the schedule about the trip planner and the headway OSM has made in Portland, in part as a part of this project. A little sorry I'm not going to be able to make it

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

2012-10-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Speed limit and/or lane data as available would be awesome, too. On Oct 1, 2012 8:54 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 09/30/2012 11:47 PM, Paul Norman wrote: Could you annex part of BC into the west coast? Sure. I'll look in to it the next time I tear in to the code. :)

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

2012-10-01 Thread Paul Johnson
...@averillpark.netjavascript:; wrote: On 10/1/12 2:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Does Lambertus follow the list? i don't know, but he does read and respond to messages sent through the openstreetmap.org messaging system. richard

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-09

2012-10-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-10-09 Don't get too excited, folks... most of the southern plains including almost all of Kansas, Arkansas and Missouri, half of Oklahoma, and half of

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

2012-10-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Was hoping to see a 10/16 or 10/17 snapshot, since I just did a good size edit for Tulsa highway construction and the brand new overpass now permanently closed over Charles Page Boulevard that a garbage truck totalled on Monday... On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

[Talk-us] Fwd: Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-18 Thread Paul Johnson
to have some idea how I'm going to handle that problem when I start going over my Route 66 traces). -- Forwarded message -- From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Date: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations To: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.comwrote: I think there is still some misunderstanding. One of the transforms is: 1704295,road,US:TX:Spur,601,,US:TX,601,Spur,happy5214,5 Spur in Texas is not a modifier; it's a distinct type of route that is numbered

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Oct 22, 2012 9:57 AM, Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: FM and RM are the same network...seems odd for them to show up twice here... I could've sworn that the general consensus from a previous argument was one network per shield type. They use the same

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Did they switch from one term to the other at some point? If so, the mix of signs on the same route might be because some of the signs have been replaced as they rusted out and/or got used for target practice. Not

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: You can check the highway designation file for the correct designation of specific routes. If something else is on the sign, the local district probably screwed up (several TxDOT district offices aren't exactly known

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Moderation is one thing. Important messages can still go through, if someone is moderated. But in this case he apparently was kicked off the list completely. I'm not sure what behavior caused such a severe sanction, but if it

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

2012-11-06 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm going to go ahead and get it started by nominating beautiful Tulsa, Oklahoma for SOTM 2013. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey Kate - Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next year, we're really strapped of time for a

Re: [Talk-us] 'creative' mapping

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Looks like someone mapped a haymaze. On Nov 13, 2012 9:12 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I got this from a MapRoulette user: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.414586lon=-84.815333zoom=18layers=M Anyone know what this is about? -- Martijn van Exel

Re: [Talk-us] Newly tweaked TIGER road names tiles

2012-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Oh, and they're flat out hosed in the Tulsa County area, particularly at the same latitude as Broken Arrow (TIGER carries Broken Arrow-specific street names into Tulsa City improperly). On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: Toby, ****We do

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
I don't think the Tulsa one is going to happen, lack of venue. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote: Hi Folks, the organisation of Operation Cowboy seems to be nearly finished.

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
together this weekend (it's not really a good weekend for get togethers in the US), I would love to attend a mapping party in OK in the future. So planning a mapping party in the future could also be a good idea. -- Jim On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Paul Johnson ba

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER expansion bot

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Toby Murray wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Brian May b...@mapwise.comjavascript:; wrote: On 11/27/2012 7:06 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.comjavascript:; wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:29

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

2012-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday, November 29, 2012, Brian May wrote: On 11/29/2012 9:12 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: Secondly, about Census data... The Census Bureau publishes ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTAs, as polygons) but they are an approximation of US Postal Service data and used for downstream analytical

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