[OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread Peter Körner
I noticed that for some countries there seems to be more than one node. E.g. for Slovakia there are 5: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424313572 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/432425079 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424315420

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Hi Peter, I don't think anybody has a reason to object to merging them. At least me and User:Mala have been merging some of these nodes last week and we got no blackmail so far :) I believe we went through all the country nodes which didn't have a name:pl= or

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-03 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Körner schrieb: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Hi Peter, I don't think anybody has a reason to object to merging them. At least me and User:Mala have been merging some of these nodes last week and we got no blackmail so far :) I believe we went through all the country nodes which didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch really slow

2009-08-04 Thread Peter Körner
Mike Ryan schrieb: Hi All I'm trying to update the map using a GPS trace I took while on holiday in Udine in Northern Italy http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?gpx=462905 However, the map itself is really slow to show all the existing ways once I go into edit mode - I have already

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch really slow

2009-08-04 Thread Peter Körner
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I also experienced the same issue when mapping in Italy. When I was in Germany, it was a completely different potlatch-experience and I was sorry for blaming potlatch in the past ;-) :) Potlatch is indeed quite sensitive to

Re: [OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-08-04 Thread Peter Körner
I think name should be what the shop is called like (e.g. what stands on a sign on top / in front of it). If there are additional information like the operator it could be added via an additional tag but not as part of the name. Peter Shaun McDonald schrieb: Could you please give examples of

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Körner
Morten Kjeldgaard schrieb: On 05/08/2009, at 10.09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Maybe it makes sense to use a variation of the motorcar tag which is already widely used to model car access (e.g. highway=tertiary, motorcar=4wdonly - or even highway=tertiary, motorcar=no, motorcar:4wd=yes or

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: But never the less I think if 4wd-only is common in that region, why not tag it? The more data, the better. But I'm unsure if the renderer should implement it, as it could just be used in this area

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Körner
David Lynch schrieb: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 09:45, Morten Kjeldgaardm...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: So using the surface=* tag is a better approach IMHO to warn that a road is in a bad shape for ordinary traffic. Surface alone doesn't tell you enough. A standard car can handle just about any

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Körner
Jonathan Bennett schrieb: Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Remember that data is no good if it's not rendered, Remember that rendering a map isn't the only use for geodata. And also remember that the Main-OSM-Mapnik renderer isn't the only one out there. If someone wants to render a map with this

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: Remember that data is no good if it's not rendered, and the software can't be expected to deal with a gazillion different situations. It's better to keep the data general. So using the surface=* tag is

[OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Körner schrieb: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 Peter Addendum: This seems to be bad imports by user cyana: http

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 It looks to me like a lot of place=town nodes have been added

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/6 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking and Access

2009-08-09 Thread Peter Körner
Roy Wallace schrieb: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Kevo...@kevswindells.eu wrote: Hi All, While trying (and failing miserably) to find a parking space in Birmingham (UK) the other day (terrible sign age - talk about leaving it to the last minute - AND to top it all I must have parked in

[OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrectly tagged place=country nodes

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: The multilingual-country-list[1] tool reveals a bunch of nodes that are tagged place=country but aren't so by anyone's definition. For example the uninhabited Bassas da India atoll[2]. There are also various overseas territories of the UK which should

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag official_name ? (was Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Pieren schrieb: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: The instructions at the top of the pages could also mention the official_name:* tags - I don't know if these are approved in any way but I found they were on some of the nodes and I thought it was a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Jonas Häggqvist schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. If you need help translating country

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/13 Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.com: To me it seems standard MIT license. Maybe someone could contact them about country name data import into OSM and ask special permision? There are probably more complete sources like the wikipedia page titles

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Dammers schrieb: Hi Peter, Peter Körner schreef: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. I see you created your

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Körner schrieb: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Morten Kjeldgaard schrieb: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs that you could use to mark the status of the mapping at certain places. I find I sometimes have to skip roads, tracks or paths, because I am too tired, don't have

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
. It's too easy to read through the names and mark them as OK without thinking too much. /Erik Peter Körner skrev: No, just mark it as ok. If there's an existing one with an identical name you may also delete the needless translation. I'll add some highlight to those needless

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Micha Ruh schrieb: Hallo Peter! Ich habe ein paar Übersetzungen mit Hilfe deines sehr gelungenen Tools und Wikipedia erstellt. Dabei ist mir bei der Sprache der traditionellen chinesischen Schriftzeichen eine Inkonsistenz zwischen Deinem Tool und Wikipedia aufgefallen: Es werden

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Marc Schütz schrieb: What is the opinion for translations that are the same in other languages? For instance: Andorra is Andorra in a lot of languages. Do you add a translation even though the translation is the same as the original name? Maarten No, just mark it as ok. If there's an

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 14. August 2009 13:34 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I understand your concerns when looking at the country-level, but what should we do on the city-level? add the name of all cities in all languages as a translation? Or: what should we do

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-15 Thread Peter Körner
Marc Schütz schrieb: But this implicates that if there is no different name, no name:xx-tag should be set (even if it's not *bad* to have one, its also not *necessary*). Do you agree with that, Marc? I was replying in a hurry, and I see now that it is not as easy as I thought it to be. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render

2009-08-16 Thread Peter Körner
Peteris Krisjanis schrieb: HI there! I am new to this list, so if this question is already answered, please don't be harsh :) I browsed archive, and I didn't saw anything for answer, but maybe I didn't look hard enough. As far as I understand mapnik render rules have been subject of

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-16 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-16 Thread Peter Körner
Marc Schütz schrieb: Still I think a case could be made for country names to be different: most of them are so prominent that I would say they exist in most languages, even if they are identical to the native names. For example, the German names for most European countries are different from

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-16 Thread Peter Körner
Jonas Häggqvist schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Marc Schütz schrieb: [Should name:xx equal to name tags stay or not?] In my eyes the rule should be: If it has a name in language xxx *that differs from it's native name*, then add a name:xxx tag That seemed sensible to me also, but now that I

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-16 Thread Peter Körner
Arlindo Pereira schrieb: I need some advice: I'm currently translating the names to Portuguese, and for some countries the portuguese name differ from the brazilian portuguese (which I speak) to the european portuguese. So, should I tag, official_/name:pt=one of the forms or

Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin

2009-08-17 Thread Peter Körner
This is true if you use Greasemonkey to *remove* existing josm-links, but (in my eyes) not if you're proposing a Greasemonkey-script to add them. Peter These kinds of things can easily be fixed using a tool like Greasemonkey. I've made a few scripts myself, but none that is suitable for

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-17 Thread Peter Körner
Thank you for the bug-report, i'll check both bugs soon. Peter I think there was a bug introduced during resorting of the list or during the transition from zh-classic - zh-classical. The list behaves strange. Once I noticed that when i changed a country name in one language, the status

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
Lennard schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: It reaches 100% when /Tromelin Island /is set to not-ok. I got Bahasa Indonesia at 229/230 with 2 countries (Tromelin, Turkey) as not ok. This happened because some countries were degraded to states, so they don't show up in the list but are still

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
This is not possible at the moment, as the list is based upon the list of existing wikipedias [1]. Which language do you want to add? Send me the name, the code, and the link to an wiki article and i'll think about how to add it. Peter [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
Hi As I guessed the bug with the 100% comes from countries that aren't countries anymore. They are removed from the list with the hourly update, but if you got your list open while this happens you can still mark it as ok. so we got a country that only exists in this language - and more than

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

2009-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
Whooohoow this is so cool! Looks like a lot of Voodoo to me :) As I saw from the samples It doesn't work well on blurred images, so it won't work with sth. like a helmet or a car camera, would it? Peter Tijs Zwinkels schrieb: Hey All, As of yesterday, the Google Summer of Code has ended.

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/18 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Namely they are http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424313867 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424317578 which are both islands now. By the way i added http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-19 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/19 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/18 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Namely they are http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424313867 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424317578 which are both

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

2009-08-19 Thread Peter Körner
Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white German Black on White (newer) or White on dark Blue (older, but not uncommon) and sometimes White on dark Red

Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions

2009-08-19 Thread Peter Körner
What's left to be clarified is how lanes are numbered. I'd suggest to be the inner one to be 1, ascending the more you're going to the border Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? I think this would be possible with mapnik: * load a planet.osm into some kind of db (or process it in-place with a sax-parser) * find the regions with ZIP, PLZ or whatever * fetch the

Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
Wmm why can't we say: 1L for the leftmost lane 2L for the second lane from left 1R for the rightmost lane where left and right is seen in driving-direction. So then the 2 rightmode lane seperates you can talk about 1R and 2R. Peter Yann Coupin schrieb: Plus what does inner mean on a oneway

Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
The building tag could be a multiple value tag like building, so: business=yes or business=printer or business=pr_consultant or business=logistics or business=medical_devices or ... If it's a building use building=yes if it's a business-building use building=business if you know

Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
Any suggestions on exporting admin boundaries from a database to kml format? If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. You may also try query2map [1]. If none of this works for you, you may consider processing a

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(

2009-08-20 Thread Peter Körner
Hi PB, you're wrong here. Go to josm ticket-system [1] and search for a ticket. If you're unable to find one, describing your problem, ask at the josm-dev list [2] or, if you're really sure that this is a bug (all components up2date and still happening), open a new ticket at [1]. Good luck!

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. I have a suitable query, I just don't know how to turn the query into kml data, such as lines. select way from

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
admin_level=2 is country level, 4 and lower for state and regional boundaries. I'm aware of that and the admin_level=2 is only used in the subquery to determine the boundary of germany. The main query runs without a admin_level-condition, only with boundary='administrative', does it? Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'm aware of that and the admin_level=2 is only used in the subquery to determine the boundary of germany. The main query runs without a admin_level-condition, only with boundary='administrative', does

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Any :) I'm just getting started. I tried to find any boundaries in a given Area, in this case in Germany. Leave admin_level= out of the query Thank you for the hint :) Please take a look at my query

Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com wrote: This admin.kml loads up fine in GoogleEarth and the boundaries appear as lines. Thanks for your help, just admin_level=10 information for only the Australia region is 186M uncompressed and 76M when

[OSM-talk] Mysterious PostGIS Problem with Polygons

2009-08-21 Thread Peter Körner
The second should fetch the border of Germany and the first one all boundaries in that. At least that's what I want it to do :) I just ran that query on my database and used name='Australia' and it works as you thought it should. Yes, you're right. It works with Nederland, Australia,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] using default country name

2009-08-23 Thread Peter Körner
I have read the above mentioned discussion[1] (unfortunately it is spread among two mailing lists) Sorry for that. (1) Default tags can be changed. We should remember that default tags can be edited by somebody later and they will no longer be good for other languages. This will mark all

Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
What's the URL for the code, again, for those of us running the bot who are daft enough to have deleted that original email? Take a look into the Archives: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-August/040750.html Peter ___ talk mailing

[OSM-talk] duplications in data-layer on openstreetmap.org

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Hi take a look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.18236lon=-44.91328zoom=15layers=B000FTTT In fact there are 3 ways in the middle of the ocean, but the object-list shows 9 - each of them 3 times: * Way 35373399 * Way 35373587 * Way 35373412 * Way 35373399 * Way

Re: [OSM-talk] duplications in data-layer on openstreetmap.org

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Vincent MEURISSE schrieb: On Tuesday 25 August 2009 02:48:26 pm Peter Körner wrote: In fact there are 3 ways in the middle of the ocean, but the object-list shows 9 - each of them 3 times: What are these way doing there ? They were added by a new OSMler. He was notified and the ways were

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Körner
I use http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path/Examples and have concluded to use highway=path, wheelchair=no The first tag classifies the way as being an unpaved and small path while the second clarifies that you can't use it for anything on wheels. Are you sure?

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Körner
The wiki should not only match the reality, it should suggest proper behaviour to (new) users. Text like If a section of road in the US looks like a motorway then it can be tagged as a motorway without researching its funding sources or driving up and down the road looking for

[OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
Hi I'm sorry to tell you that there was a major issue with the Multilingual Country-List that I didn't realize when it happend and now we to bite the bullet and face the problem: There are 70 countries in the osm-db that got lost in the list on 2009-08-21 between 17:00 and 18:00 for unknown

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
Ed Avis schrieb: Peter Körner osm-lists at mazdermind.de writes: I'm sorry to tell you that there was a major issue with the Multilingual Country-List I'm glad you mentioned it because I missed the original announcement. The site is http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual

[OSM-talk] XAPI latency

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
Hi http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/ states The source database is a mirror of the main OSM database and is updated via the per-minute diff dumps. The data is normally no more than about 10 minutes behind the main database. But i added a name:de-Tag to node 462226505 [1] about 3

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI latency

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
It was finally updated, but it took about 4 hours (at least as i can tell) Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
Could the tool be extended to support names of cities? For these, a percentage completion indicator makes little sense, since most city names are not translated, but there are still a hundred or so worldwide which do have their own name in most major languages. Currently the tool gets

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Körner
[3] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ The Danish map[1] is simply a blank map at all zoom levels. What gives? [1] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/browse-da.html It is just not yet rendered. The tiles will get in the render-queue as you try to see them. Take another look

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of localized maps

2009-08-30 Thread Peter Körner
Are the tiles of the localized maps re-rendered at all? I've finished adding persian country names to the OSM db last week already and the persian map still shows the state from when it was initially set up [2]. I think this question rather goes to Ævar Arnfjörð as he set up the localized

Re: [OSM-talk] Trace type

2009-09-01 Thread Peter Körner
I'm amazed that anyone experienced in OSM is proposing *not* using tags and getting the order of usage (leads to) convention (leads to) documentation (leads to) presets back to front - you don't start with presets in order to force convention. I agree but until now I used the tags to tell in

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Tom Hughes schrieb: On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. As an admin with the technical ability to do these things I'm

[OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Hi I'd like to do a Brainstorming about how a Revert-Tool could look like, that is more open to the Community, can be used without programming knowledge and is able to to reverts fast. Please throw in you're ideas, thoughts, whatever you have to say. I'll add my own Ideas in a separate mail.

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
I'd like to do a Brainstorming about how a Revert-Tool could look like, that is more open to the Community, can be used without programming knowledge and is able to to reverts fast. I'm thinking of a process like this: - Identify the Changeset you'd like to be reverted. - Go to tool and

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Hi 1.) with great power comes great responsibility! We'll have to distribute this responsibility to many shoulders and do it crowdsourced. 2.) the number of votes should depend on the complexity (number of affected objects?) that's cool.. 3.) mailing lists might be flooded because every

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Karl Guggisberg schrieb: - tool shows you a list of all members of the Changeset ... for which we would need a /api/0.6/changeset/1234567 which includes the primitives, if possible even a /api/0.6/changeset/1234567/full. Currently, editors/offline tools would have to screen scrap

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
I'm against voting. Voting is a way to take responsibility away from the individual. I think that in most cases we should strive to have individuals responsible for everything (just like with mapping - you don't suggest something which the community then votes upon, you just map). But this

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
For the local area mappers, i would recommend the reverse approach. Assume that the user is 'just a newbie trying to be helpful'. Has anyone invited this user to a mapping party? He'd have to responde to mail for that. Why not assume that the user is 10years old and just learning how to

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Well that's the problem - the best thing we have at the moment is the foundation and it's working groups. In this case the Data Working Group is the appropriate one I guess. I think a crowdsourced approach against vandalism would scale better than dedicated working-groups. See my

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Sybren A. Stüvel schrieb: On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 09:17:11PM +0200, Peter Körner wrote: A revert is changing a lot of things in one time, which would be much more time-consuming with e.g. josm. I see this (doing a lot of things with just a single click) as the main problem with an easy revert

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
How do you (automatically) distinguish revert from ordinary edit (or almost-revert from ordinary edit)? I think you can't at least not reliably (you can't rely on the commit message, etc ...) This decision would be made in the revert-tool we talk here about. It would not be includes as part of

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
How whow what a great post. Thank you for that! I was nodding most of the time while reading :) Yes, I would like to see a revert function available to which I could give a changeset to and it would revert all the changes made to the database within that changeset. It must flag the changes

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Miller schrieb: On 2 Sep 2009, at 21:52, MP wrote: Until this is possible I want to try to (or at least collect all necessary information to) write an external tool for this. Adding revert to main site could attract vandals (ok, let's just revert stuff) or experimentators (what does

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets on with it can be 'established' within 2 weeks. I think that was how long it took

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a suitable tool to achieve it. Are you talking about http://openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 ? Are we sure that this is really vandalism? For now I won't

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database and not the real thing :-) Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and without a local DB, so I'd need a test-api. Do we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
Richard Weait schrieb: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter i though maning meant this was a separate option Yes, let's

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: 2009/9/3 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't tell

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
I wasn't thinking of that case so much as someone being a little over zealous and reverting a changeset by accident and needing to revert their change. This will of course be possible Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-04 Thread Peter Körner
I thought about these cases and I think for some of them a tool could do the check anyway. Bad changeset #123: delete the node London. Was node 456 v10, now 456 v11 (deleted) (Intermediate changeset: add a node for London) Revert changeset #123: node 456 hasn't been touched since, so

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-04 Thread Peter Körner
tagging@ would be a start. And vandalism@ Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-05 Thread Peter Körner
Exactly. Call it what you like, but it'll need to ask for user input, which makes it an editor rather than a blind revert tool. So long as everyone remembers when they're designing the system that you can't do blind reverts with confidence! Oh no I would never want to write a tool that allow

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Peter Körner
shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. I usually use shop=[what it was before] disused=yes shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary supplements. shop=cash; non-bank cheque cashing or short term payday loans shop=beauty; personal beauty services,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cassini.toolserver - Internatiol name rendering

2009-09-13 Thread Peter Körner
Marjan Vrban schrieb: Anyone have idea when will http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ update rendering tiles (last time 23.07.2009).? As said on maps-l [0] this will happen as soon as the production servers are up. The Hardware is in place but we need admins to set up the software [1].

[OSM-talk] Brainstorm: What could they be used for [was: WMF will donate 35 servers...]

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Körner
Dual CPU 2.5 GHz AMD 3-4GB RAM Each Most have 80 GB or larger HDD I don't know if that's enough for rendering. If it is we could set up some other styles on the page (car view with just streets and car related things, transportation map, free time map with all those leisure, a map with

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