On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk
wrote:
The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve
the confidentiality of personal information. It would have been a breach
of confidence to make it public at the time.
Not so.
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From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 August 2011 07:25
To: Barnett, Phillip
Cc: Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler
employees
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip
phillip.barn
this email?
From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 August 2011 07:25
To: Barnett, Phillip
Cc: Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler
employees
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Barnett, Phillip
phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip
phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote:
Well, this is a sideshow to the main debate, but you are still not
revealing personal data, merely a fact about some or
On 26/08/11 10:47, 80n wrote:
The data point that we would have been revealing is that these people
were members of OSMF. Membership of an organisation is personal
information and we did not want to leak that information in any form
whatsoever.
Of course the Companies Act actually requires
2011/8/26 80n 80n...@gmail.com:
... that these
people signed up because they were passionate about OSM when the evidence
suggests it was a co-ordinated act probably for the purpose of block
voting.
Jim, there is nothing wrong with doing such a thing
IMHO there is something wrong with for
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From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 August 2011 10:47
To: Barnett, Phillip
Cc: Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler
employees
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Barnett, Phillip
phillip.barn
On 26/08/2011 11:33, Barnett, Phillip wrote:
From the legislation guidance notes
An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual
from other members of a group. In most cases an individual's name
together with some other information will be sufficient to identify them.
Avis
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler
employees
On 26/08/2011 11:33, Barnett, Phillip wrote:
From the legislation guidance notes
An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual
from other members of a group. In most cases
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:08 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Interestingly, when we converted an organisation recently to an official
Charity under UK law, the Charity Commission wanted us to make it a
requirement that the full membership list (names and home addresses) was
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Barnett, Phillip
phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote:
From the legislation guidance notes
An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual
from other members of a group. In most cases an individual's name together
with some other
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
On 26/08/11 10:47, 80n wrote:
The data point that we would have been revealing is that these people
were members of OSMF. Membership of an organisation is personal
information and we did not want to leak that information
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:32 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless of whether the data protection act was relevant, we acted on the
side of caution.
I wouldn't characterize withholding relevant public information from
the public as acting on the side of caution.
On 26/08/11 13:48, 80n wrote:
[1] As I recall only members can request a membership list and they have
to provide a reasonable justification for their list. Failure to supply
the list can be challenged in the courts.
Nope. The only difference is that you can't charge members for it but
you
Hasn't it happened in the past that large numbers of Cloudmade employees have
joined the OSMF? That didn't cause the organization to be somehow subverted,
and neither will people who work for Skobbler (or Microsoft, or whoever).
--
Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com
On 25 August 2011 19:15, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Hasn't it happened in the past that large numbers of Cloudmade employees have
joined the OSMF? That didn't cause the organization to be somehow subverted,
and neither will people who work for Skobbler (or Microsoft, or whoever).
In
On 25/08/11 10:15, Ed Avis wrote:
Hasn't it happened in the past that large numbers of Cloudmade employees have
joined the OSMF? That didn't cause the organization to be somehow subverted,
and neither will people who work for Skobbler (or Microsoft, or whoever).
This is, by my understanding,
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Hasn't it happened in the past that large numbers of Cloudmade employees have
joined the OSMF? That didn't cause the organization to be somehow subverted
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The organization has gone downhill
2011/8/25 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Call me a cynic, but from my (limited) experience with other not-for-profits
and I tend to thinkg that the amount of fear, hate, mistrust, and general
bad karma is proportional to the size and budget of the organisation.
can't disagree with this
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com writes:
This was completely easy in the past, but is it realistic to keep OSMF
relatively unimportant if it is rights holder for all the data?
It might be better to spin off a separate organization which is the rights
holder, separate from the less
On 25 August 2011 22:26, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com writes:
This was completely easy in the past, but is it realistic to keep OSMF
relatively unimportant if it is rights holder for all the data?
It might be better to spin off a separate
I almost hesitate to jump in, but I'd like to give the perspective from
Cloudmade that I think is probably mirrored in skobbler.
In Cloudmade staff are passionate about OSM and mapping. Many of the staff
wanted to join OSMF 2 years ago and we encouraged that. And we got the same
reaction
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Jim Brown j...@cloudmade.com wrote:
I almost hesitate to jump in, but I'd like to give the perspective from
Cloudmade that I think is probably mirrored in skobbler.
In Cloudmade staff are passionate about OSM and mapping. Many of the staff
wanted to join
Sure... They were passionate prior to that of course. Look at the evolution
of the kyiv map over time. It's also really telling that so many have left
Cloudmade and still are part of the community, these are individual mappers
your are talking about. People who give a damn about OSM,
They
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Jim Brown j...@cloudmade.com wrote:
Sure... They were passionate prior to that of course. Look at the
evolution of the kyiv map over time. It's also really telling that so many
have left Cloudmade and still are part of the community, these are
individual
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From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 August 2011 20:34
To: Jim Brown
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler
employees
The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve
Jim Brown writes:
Sure... They were passionate prior to that of course. Look at the
evolution of the kyiv map over time. It's also really telling that so many
have left Cloudmade and still are part of the community, these are
individual mappers your are talking about. People who
[apologies for posting to talk rather than osmf-talk - very bizarrely, I
appear to have been *un*subscribed from osmf-talk upon renewing my
membership. Go figure. :) For those not following, the issue is the
application of a large number of Skobbler employees to join OSMF, shortly
before the OSMF
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