Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Aleksejs Mjaliksli...@keeper.lv wrote: Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that don't make any sense. No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay where they are forever and

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that don't make any sense. No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay where they are forever and

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Maarten Deen
Simone Cortesi wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that don't make any sense. No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Simone Cortesi wrote: Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that don't make any sense. No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay where they are forever and continue being served by

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But there is no way to determine if a particular GPS track is outdated. Sure, you can look at the map and say I don't see a physical road for this track, but how would you identify GPS points of a track that is invalid? Especialy

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: please , don't drop data for many areas we are lucky to have one trace and it may be a year or more before another mapper goes back there consider having access to older data in separate sets if there is concern about using old gps

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: GPS are becoming more precise. older tracks are, on a general basis, You can't make assumptions of the quality of the data based simply on how recently it was added, someone might be using an old piece of GPS kit they were given

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Roman Neumüller
This doesn't make sense to me. At least there should be a timestamp of gpx-files which tells us when they've been uploaded so that one could filter them a la show me gpx-files not older than 3 years ! Roman On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Aleksejs Mjaliksli...@keeper.lv wrote: Does OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:59, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: GPS are becoming more precise. older tracks are, on a general basis, You can't make assumptions of the quality of the data based simply on how recently it

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:58, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: consider having access to older data in separate sets if there is concern about using old gps tracks, just don't drop any because it is old (like some of us) Maybe the best option is to let people stipulate how many

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Stéphane Brunner
Hello ! One think I think it can be useful is a tool for editing all our old trace : - easy to download all our trace - easy to remove unprecise segment (in some old my trace I have some segment who is 50 m wrong !) - easy to simplify them - easy to re-upload modified trace ! I think that a tool

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: I'm talking in the long run. Not something to be done in the coming moths. Still we are just 5 years old. And not many roads did change shape in this short period of time. Some areas have lots of road duplication construction

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Maarten Deen
John Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But there is no way to determine if a particular GPS track is outdated. Sure, you can look at the map and say I don't see a physical road for this track, but how would you identify GPS points of a track that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: That is not indicative. A road could remain unchanged for the last 100 years or could have been demolished last year. What would be the expiration time of a track? And would you be prepared to lose correct GPS data to do this? Also

[OSM-talk] Old GPS Data

2009-07-28 Thread René Affourtit
Sorry to break the threading, Maybe it's an idea to allow users to specify an area where traces are outdated? So when a junction is reconstructed a local user can place a bounding box over that junction and all GPS points in that box are marked as outdated (or deleted, or whatever). Maybe some

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS Data

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, René Affourtit raffour...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's an idea to allow users to specify an area where traces are outdated? So when a junction is reconstructed a local user can place a bounding box over that junction and all GPS points in that box are marked as

Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-28 Thread Yann Coupin
Also, and I've already posted here about that a while ago, it would really help if hdop, and eventually vdop, wasn't lost in the anonymization process. This is an important data when tracing, but unless you know who published the track and you can download the source, you don't have access

[OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-27 Thread Aleksejs Mjaliks
Hello! I am currently looking at GPS collected by OSM colleges here at Riga. I see there is data about temporary bridge built during road works and after de-mounted. Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of