On 23/05/15 16:36, David Earl wrote:
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag
with the unique ID of whatever operator (and I think URL would be a good
one, not as a link, but an ID, since two people can't have the same one,
and all orgs we'd be interested in
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 23/05/15 16:36, David Earl wrote:
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag
with the unique ID of whatever operator
While not popular, the addition of identifiers IS now gaining
On 23/05/15 13:41, David Earl wrote:
I'm not sure about the UK company registration number as an ID
I was suggesting the formal legal name. I just added the RC number for
completeness. Of course this also means that references to University
of Cambridge as operator, would need to be
I've just been looking at operator tags on amenity=university.
The first point is that 600+ are not tagged with operator.
Secondly, *university hospitals*, such as Addenbrookes cause problems. In
practice most buildings in university hospitals are NHS owned operated (I
got round this at QMC
Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge is most definitely operated by NHS.
However, there is a medical school which is part of the University which is
on the same site, among several other University departments and labs, and
increasingly private companies, Astra Zeneca is building a large new
On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the
colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation.
Is it necessary to show the college = university relationship in
OSM? If we tag
Indeed, they would need unique IDs of some kind for this to work globally.
I nearly said that in that mail. I would probably prefer that in a
different tag that wasn't actually usually presented to a human reader, and
I'm not sure about the UK company registration number as an ID, because not
all
On 23/05/2015 12:49, David Earl wrote:
I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did.
This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge
map by wanting to change everything it relies on.
Those who add/amend data to OSM do so to make it the most
Hi
Going minorly off on a tangent - One item I would change is
leisure=pitch which current represents whole areas of sports grounds to
leisure=recreation_ground, have leisure=pitch to indicate just the
pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are
situations with two
Can you put that on a different thread.
On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:15 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Hi
Going minorly off on a tangent - One item I would change is leisure=pitch
which current represents whole areas of sports grounds to
leisure=recreation_ground, have leisure=pitch
David Earl wrote:
Can you put that on a different thread.
David - could you trim messages before replying? 1 line of message for 100
line of quote isn't good. Thanks.
Richard
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I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did.
This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map
by wanting to change everything it relies on. I did spend a long time
thinking about how to do it at the beginning of the project, and did
publish the
2015-05-23 12:49 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com:
On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:43 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution -
the
On 23/05/15 12:02, David Earl wrote:
There is a problem having 'operator=Magdalene College' and similar
rather than operator='Magdalene College (University of Cambridge)'
Although I think, where operator is used at all, it is largely used
with a loose choice of name, in this case, if you
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag
with the unique ID of whatever operator (and I think URL would be a good
one, not as a link, but an ID, since two people can't have the same one,
and all orgs we'd be interested in would have one). That way operator
remains
On 23/05/15 13:26, Dan S wrote:
This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by
wanting to change everything it relies on.
Well no, clearly no-one's doing this with an intent to destroy the
university map! I assume everyone here just wants to make sure OSM is
On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 11:54 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
The schema for tags that make the University map work is at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge
(I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent, unrelated
new bit, I must
to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates
each university prominently
What *would* you show for Cambridge (or other spread out ones) for this?
Where actually *is* the University of Cambridge? What would you show that
the current tagging doesn't already achieve?
On Fri, 22
I don't think it renders it (though I thought it used to).
The humanitarian style renders the tag, and Cambridge looks mortar-board crazy:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2039/0.1182layers=H
Dan
2015-05-22 12:30 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com:
Does the main OSM
2015-05-22 12:33 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com:
to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates
each university prominently
What *would* you show for Cambridge (or other spread out ones) for this?
Where actually *is* the University of Cambridge? What would
Hi David,
Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the
consequences for other data consumers. If someone tries to use OSM
data for anything - such as:
(a) to plot the density of universities per county
(b) to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates
each
On 22/05/15 12:40, Dan S wrote:
I'd be really grateful if you could comment on my suggestion about
modifying the building tags.
Dan S ... The question still remains ... what are you trying to achieve?
Count the number of buildings making up a university, or something else?
In the distant past
On Fri, 22 May 2015, Dan S wrote:
I'd be really grateful if you could comment on my suggestion about
modifying the building tags.
David has commented (twice), both with follow-up questions.
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Hi Dan,
Yes, Philip's right - I developed and continue to maintain the University
map at http://map.cam.ac.uk (as well as doing all of the original street
pattern mapping for Cambridge back in 2006). The University has put a
considerable investment and negotiated permission for college access
A quick scan of Oxford shows the colleges (and a few multi-building areas
such as the Science Area) as amenity=university, with buildings within
colleges and odd departments as building=university. So we have a lot of
universities too.
Other big difference is that we haven't generally added
Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university?
On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:27 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the
consequences for other data consumers. If someone tries to use OSM
data for anything -
On 22/05/15 12:26, David Earl wrote:
If this discussion were happening at the start of the project four years
ago. It wasn't as if the scheme wasn't public then. But it's been
implemented now for several years, and to reorganise it is unhelpful and
costly, with little benefit other than a
On 22/05/15 12:00, David Earl wrote:
The schema for tags that make the University map work is at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge
(I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent,
unrelated new bit, I must do so).
Oh, I did,
If this discussion were happening at the start of the project four years
ago. It wasn't as if the scheme wasn't public then. But it's been
implemented now for several years, and to reorganise it is unhelpful and
costly, with little benefit other than a sense of it being right. (And in
any group of
Right, OK thanks. So let me try and answer without raising any
sub-controversies - that's why I was reluctant to answer what would
you show for cambridge!
If there was a single mortar-board for every geographically
self-contained UoC site on the map - that seems rather reasonable.
The minimalist
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names.
But also the assertion within a few dozen miles is wrong, as for
Nottingham in China.
On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:23 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines m...@cbaines.net wrote:
On
Sorry, that wasn't intended to be provocative, it was a serious question.
Irrespective of how it is tagged, how should one show a spread out
institution on a map? If you do ARU with two mortar boards or some such
should Cambridge be 10, one for each site, 41 including the colleges, or
what? One
On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names.
No, they really aren't.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College
(University of Cambridge)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 -
Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the
colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. This
is part of the complexity of this.
I'm not arguing I don't want to change anything, just that there's too much
gratuitous change which breaks real,
2015-05-22 14:49 GMT+01:00 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com:
On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names.
No, they really aren't.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College
2015-05-22 14:03 GMT+01:00 SK53 sk53@gmail.com:
For what it is worth, the universities in Nottingham are mapped exactly the
same way as Cambridge
It doesn't look like that to me. A query on Nottingham finds 16
objects tagged amenity=university, of which 4 are buildings. It looks
to me like
On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote:
I don't relish bringing this up since it's a bit of a tangle, but I
noticed Cambridge has a lot more universities than I thought!
Apparently 1219, judging from the number of amenity=university tagged
objects. In real life I'm aware of two: Cambridge Uni, Anglia
On 22 May 2015, at 12:30, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university?
Yes, for example this building at Heriot-Watt University:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22881764
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22881764 where I used
On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines m...@cbaines.net wrote:
On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote:
I don't relish bringing this up since it's a bit of a tangle, but I
noticed Cambridge has a lot more universities than I thought!
Apparently 1219, judging from the number of amenity=university
On 22 May 2015 at 11:54, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
2. What is a University anyway?
I'll not explore the concept of a university too far, since very
little about groups of people is relevant to OSM!
However, if you were to say What is the physical aspect of a
university then
Without wanting to get into specific tags, or indeed into specific renderers,
let’s step back and see if what we have got is what we want?
The answer is probably no, IMHO.
Take Newnham College
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.19959/0.10973layers=H) which I know
fairly well. It is one
On 22/05/15 15:00, Dan S wrote:
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names.
No, they really aren't.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College
(University of Cambridge)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - University of Cambridge
Hi all,
I don't relish bringing this up since it's a bit of a tangle, but I
noticed Cambridge has a lot more universities than I thought!
Apparently 1219, judging from the number of amenity=university tagged
objects. In real life I'm aware of two: Cambridge Uni, Anglia Ruskin
Uni.
I think
I'm a Cambridge mapper, but I'd advise doing nothing until you've spoken with
David Earl who was contracted by Cambridge University to actually map the
university - see this link
http://soc2012.soc.org.uk/node/16.html
Thanks
On 21 May 2015, at 22:39, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote:
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