/Sheep or goats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat.
As you can see a meadow can be farmed by man.
Cheers
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Aleksandr Dezhin wrote:
Hello,
Why in the tree specified tag landuse=meadow, but not natural=meadow?
How is landuse=meadow used by people?
This tag looks completely usable! So
Dave F. wrote:
Anthony wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org
mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org
mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Richard Mann
Roy
Therefore, a
bridge relation would still be useful to indicate that multiple ways
share a bridge, for when the bridge geometry is unknown.
1. Why do the ways need to indicate they share a bridge?
2. if the bridge is independent, the size (width) can be drawn to suit)
Cheers
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Hi Peter
I can suggest to add bridge's physical form to this. Otherwise yeah,
why not. It would also help to indicate where bridge actually starts
and ends to help routing software logic.
Why would routing software need to know the extent of a bridge?
Cheers
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cattle,
crops (maybe even going as far as saying wheat, barley etc).
Not sure that reservoir should be under landuse. It's hardly land any more!
Cheers
Dave F.
Aleksandr Dezhin wrote:
Following this logic (may be ...), a lot of things can bring to landuse.
Cows can drink from the lake, but we
Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Hi Peter
I can suggest to add bridge's physical form to this. Otherwise yeah,
why not. It would also help to indicate where bridge actually starts
and ends to help routing software logic
Anthony wrote:
Also, shouldn't the S.R.589 be a bridge directly below it label in
that image.
I'm not sure what you're referring to there. Can you give me a way ID
and a couple point IDs?
Sure:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=27.95915mlon=-82.53835zoom=16layers=0B00FTF
The ways
answer either Tim, But I'm interested that
you got field outlines.
One thing the UK is missing in rural areas are these.
I guess the UK equivalent would be DEFRA? Does anybody know if they have
this data?
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I've trunk_link going form one trunk to another. They have different
references.
Do I add a ref=*. If so which one? The one it's leaving or the one it's
going to?
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layouts would be ideal, but just an indication of
where they are when met by a way can be just as useful.
Good use of the word lacuna, Mike H.
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those orange booklets to record levels, directions sketches.
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Mike Harris wrote:
Dave makes a good point - the most important thing for walkers in farmed
rural areas is often to know on which side of the hedge / fence they ought
to be. OS 1:25k is fairly useless for this as the difference between one
side of the hedge and the other is usually less than
will either give
up or not even bother to start with.
To help with the problem the editors need to have a more complete predefined
options list to steer people in the right direction cut down on spelling
mistakes
I realise Source tag is not relevant to mapping but you know get the point.
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software?
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.
He provided me with a map that the council created of legally recorded public
rights of way for the city, again intimated that I was free to copy the data
of the paths to OSM.
Is he correct?
I'm aware he put a couple of caveats in the message such as I suspect I
would imagine.
Cheers
Dave
I've
started a new thread: Breach of Copyright?
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would belong to the Local Council. When
they make a legal order to record
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay,
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info.
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce
the definitive maps.
Do
Chris Hill wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would
Pieren wrote:
Dear list,
A bot running under the user name BugBuster is currently modifying
many closed ways and remove nodes listed twice, e.g.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31604969/history
Is it not normal that a closed way has the same node twice in the list?
regards
Pieren
Pieren wrote:
and the fix is also wrong...
Pieren
What am I not understanding?
It's a rectangle which has four points. The way lists five nodes, the
first last the values of which are the same therefore making it closed.
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Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Nope. That way is not closed. A closed way is a way has the *same*
starting and ending nodes, not a starting and an ending node that
happen to have identical coordinates. So the way is still broken, but
the bot's fix (duplicated nodes) is correct for the
yellow units!
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for pointing this out.
Would you tag the whole way of just the end node?
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I've seen others use three ways as dots as in an ellipsis for similar.
To get it rendered, however, you've mapped it as a byway which doubles
back on itself.
I don't think this is clear, accurate mapping.
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hope
there's an equivalent in the city you next want to visit.
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but the hierarchical stature of it
leaves me baffled at the moment.
Oh, Liz, if you're reading. please don't post to tell me some of the
'regulars' have anarchy symbols on the blog page as if that some how
makes it all OK.
I hope you can all show me the light.
Cheers
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doing a good job by removing duplicate nodes from
ways removing the created_by tag, which should be used according to
the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:created_by
Basically I think he's correcting my mistakes for which I'm grateful.
Cheers
Dave F
John Smith wrote:
2009/9/28 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
What are the tags that it/he is wrong to remove?
ABS imported data was stripped from ways and moved to a relation which
is incorrect, I fixed a couple manually but I don't know how many more
times this has happened
still see the errors within the history.
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an anarchy symbol on a blog page??
http://clipart.magicpeople.org/img/feb/heart_016.gif
;-)
I hope you can all show me the light.
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John Smith wrote:
2009/9/28 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
The database on its own is useless. It needs to be represented in some
manner such as a visual map. To tag randomly ie 'tag whatever you want
let the renderers sort it out' seems illogical counter productive.
It's more
John Smith wrote:
2009/9/28 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
I'm not saying we should bend over backwards in our tagging to ensure it
will immediately render in all the different rendering flavours, but to
tag without /any/ consideration for multitude of uses OSM could be used
for is, I
Ian Dees wrote:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_tags.php
Good to see someone else talking about OSM...
Excellent news
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Dave F. wrote:
Hi Peter
A couple of questions -
Is there a need for a separate list? Isn't here good enough for
discussion?
to start the ball rolling:
What is vandalism? Since I've been here (admittedly not that long)
I've heard a view cries of Vandal, that turn out, on closer
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
It's just way too soon to foresee what problems may arise,
and even more to put preemptive measures up.
Some might say that a little forward planning might alleviate future
problems.
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Russ Nelson wrote:
Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would
be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language?
Many believe the American version is closer to the original. We in the
UK then went added extra letters to certain words jut to show
,
just parts of those boundaries extrapolate.
Either that, or train you dogs to do as you order :-)
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is the reason this can not be implemented?
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
Or better still, train dogs to walk only under hedges and fit them with a
GPS :-)
What tag should we use for territorial pissings? ;)
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Hi Nick
I'd be interested. What format would this take?
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anything wrong. This is an OSM cock-up.
I think it's quite selfish to expect others to pick up the pieces of,
what I see, as lazy implementation.
Who, within OSM in their right sense of mind, would object to being
forced to use just Yes/No. I mean it's just an on/off switch!
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to subsidies those of us who are 'so last year'?
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Dave F. wrote:
Who, within OSM in their right sense of mind, would object to being
forced to use just Yes/No. I mean it's just an on/off switch!
Says who?
Err... I do.
Could you expand on why you might think otherwise?
Cheers
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
He seemed to be suggesting that the values be *constrained* to only
those two values, which creates as many problems as it solves, since it
precludes using a precise value for building=*, such as building=house.
Martin/Jonathan - Please see my reply at 15:44
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Dave F. wrote:
I don't understand why others should have to spend time sorting out
OSM's vagaries purely because we can't decide.
The yes/no question may be the most trivial of cases but generally we
are reluctant to force a structure onto our mappers
Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Dave Stubbs wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into it, especially as they said,
we’ve almost certainly got at least some of it wrong but hopefully we
got part of it right and can correct the rest
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged
the use of yes/no it would be a way forward.
Potlatch does indeed have 'yes' (rather than 'true' or '1') in its presets
and autocomplete.
cheers
Richard
Russ Nelson wrote:
SteveC writes:
Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags.
Unfortunately you're going to have to get used to it, because it
is the basis of the OPENstreetmap and, in my opinion, one of the
reasons it is as successful as it is.
+1
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Dave F. wrote:
If, by users, you mean the likes of Flickr,
I do. They have resources to bring our data into the shape they want
it in. I'm not saying let's make it extra difficult for them
I think that having *unnecessary* data, such as the tag values we've
been
Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
I look for /indications /of rights of way on my OS map. Initially this
is the only evidence I have.
If I see it's not indicated in OSM I go walk it.
I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one who does this.
Is this a breach of copyright
designed and implemented freeform tags... I think I'm allowed to
promote them.
Free form Tags - Good, duplicate/irrelevant data - Bad.
Ta
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Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
Russ Nelson wrote:
-1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and
should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so
far as he gives Good Advice.
A leader
SteveC wrote:
On 30 Sep 2009, at 17:54, Dave F. wrote:
SteveC wrote:
On 30 Sep 2009, at 16:14, Russ Nelson wrote:
SteveC writes:
Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags.
Unfortunately you're going to have to get used to it, because it
is the basis
Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote:
No, he is a leader because we respect him. THAT is how
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
What's so hard about standardizing on the boolean values given
appropriate changes to editor presets, good wiki documentation, and a
deprecation period for other boolean values?
It's a kind of slippery slope situation. There
Fantastic!
Does that mean I won't get depression from getting lost in Ikea of a
weekend?
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Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Dave F. wrote:
I find it very disappointing you feel there is a them us situation.
Yes, very disappointing but not every human being on earth happens to
have an OSM account. We're working on it.
Sorry Fredrik, but you /were/ talking about people already within
Hi
I notice some post the same message to multiple OSM forums.
In usenet I'd get flamed for it.
is it acceptable here?
Ta
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just set it up. Looks good.
Do you want to publicise it in the newbie forum?
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Andy Allan wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are
invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are
increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages
the sensibilities of someone by posting a few messages!!
My posts weren't defamatory, abusive, racist or sexist. There were just
there, harmless.
Another irony, this is the most irrelevant, off topic thread in this
forum.shakes head
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Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that
first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no
mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way.
Sheesh, has Donovan lost all his currency?
Oh my Lord
/1.
It's VERY simple.
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Russ Nelson wrote:
There's a set of people who feel that mappers shouldn't be given
guidance, because if they accidentally don't follow it, they'll feel
bad and might stop mapping. But there's also a set of mappers who are
editing because they want to create the best map possible.
Russ,
people to
prevent a hung decision.
Even if there's a chair with a casting vote it usually leads to problems.
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James Livingston wrote:
b) Lots of people don't care about some stupid vote on the wiki
How do you know that?
Did you have a vote on it?
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Dave Stubbs wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged
the use of yes/no it would be a way forward
John Smith wrote:
2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com:
On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote:
You do if you want a consistent data set.
And what if I don't want?
There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with
you. If you can't
I'd go for b) for all the reasons mentioned above
.
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
Barnett, Phillip wrote:
You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will
have a capital D above them.
Is that correct?
I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have
try
wait patiently for them to catch up
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. A sandbox with a limit
of a view ways/areas to allow immediate render would be extremely useful.
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intact, even if we choose to
simplify the geometry.
With option a) I think the topology is deformed inaccurately as it
attached to the centreline of the simplified highway geometry.
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Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Marc Schütz wrote:
IMO (a) is the correct way to do this.
We are trying to represent reality in our database.
I'm not sure that's true. A map
Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org
mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
With the tools available to us at the moment attaining
reality
this addition.
To keep this low volume and to facilitate discussion on the subjects of
the posts in the correct place, would it be conducive if the senders
recommend an appropriate forum, maybe even starting a discussion thread
in said forum?
Cheers
Dave F
Gervase Markham wrote:
On 06/10/09 15:18, Dave Stubbs wrote:
a) what are you actually marking?
- no name in OSM -- we know that already
- the mapper didn't find a name -- so we shouldn't check again?
Probably not, no. Just as when a mapper adds a postbox, someone else
doesn't
John Smith wrote:
2009/10/7 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
The more uploaded GPX traces/checks of a route the better. Surely?
It would be more useful to know what created the traces also, some
units are bound to be better than others and knowing this you would be
able to weight
Polderrunner wrote:
We certainly can't beat Google here!
http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.00686lon=4.32042layers=B0TF
(use the slider to blend the osm map in and out)
Google Maps are years ahead of reality in this new construction area.
All the streets 'missing' from OSM are
://osm.org/go/eumbs5che--
I notice in the relation for the MR, the wiki tag has the title of the
relevant page.
I've been using the URL. Is there a reason I shouldn't?
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Polderrunner wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that
they can let you copy.
Not sure you got my point (I should have used a smiley). I don't want to
put anything into osm that is just lines on a blueprint
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
http://www.pathetic.org.uk/
What a superb site. What t'internet was invented for. :-)
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Also, in this example when using a), when you show access points such as
gates, stiles etc they would indicate that they were blocking the road.
Not good
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Pieren wrote:
And, btw, I think that discussions about tagging is central enough in
OSM project that it should stay in the main talk list.
+1
I'm still bemused why some are adverse to there being posts in a forum
titled Talk described as OpenStreetMap user discussion.
Cheers
Dave F
Hi
I suppose this FAO of Richard F.
Do you have a key for these maps?
I've a continuous line on the map which has little chevron marks on
alternate sides. What does that represent?
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for you too handle.
There's a problem of OSM forums becoming to disparate if it is split
into too many sub-forums.
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from a rain shower when a Sunday
stroll through your local park rather than a full scale survival cell.
Also, you need to remember the small icon is only in the render you
are looking at. On a GPS unit, for example, it could obliterate surround
information.
Cheers
Dave F
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/10/11 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
I think you maybe confusing
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shelter
with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Alpine_Hut
no, I don't, alpine huts are bigger places, sometimes
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
True. In german we say Schutzhütte (losely translates as protection
hut) and the german wikipedia article shows good examples in pictures:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhütte (ignore the one in the lower
right corner). These shelters are only used as a
Shaun McDonald wrote:
On 13 Oct 2009, at 16:35, Gilles Corlobé wrote:
-Message d'origine-
De : Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com]
Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 16:38
À : Gilles Corlobé
Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal
- RFC -
into OSM that may not get fully removed, especially if they've
been around for a while have been copied by others.
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to it for them.
Or am I missing something?
This one seems worth while because even though it doesn't pick up
everything, it automatically searches the database.
http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php
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Someoneelse wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining
It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as
currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and
Shaun McDonald wrote:
If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the
OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe.
Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc.
You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a
widely used tag.
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