DAVEH: So Kevin..Do you commit
sins???
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Guilty conscience?Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things
are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving
is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.Hebrews
9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ,
who
DAVEH wrote:
H..IF that (understanding) is correct, then I
would say there are more than a few TTers who are
squirming on their seats right now
Probably so... :-)
DaveH wrote:
I feel that if I were to claim I don't sin,
it would be hypocritical.
I agree. I'm not
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH wrote:
I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory
to you in light of my above answer.
Ah, yes, it does seem contradictory. Maybe I can help you believe in
Jesus for deliverance from your sins. To do that, you must relinquish
faith in any
Guilty conscience?
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
this life?
DAVEH:
Yes.
Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
TruthTalk?
DAVEH: I don't recall being asked the
DAVEH: I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory to you in light of my above answer. Like I have previously said.I'm not perfect. (Nor am I a Mormon poster child.)
So how are you going to progress, become perfect?
Going to happen on the other side?
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo!
DAVEH wrote:
I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory
to you in light of my above answer.
Ah, yes, it does seem contradictory. Maybe I can help you believe in
Jesus for deliverance from your sins. To do that, you must relinquish
faith in any religious systems on earth. You
David Miller wrote:
Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
this life?
DAVEH:
Yes.
Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
TruthTalk? I have always understood from the way you have responded
that you
David Miller wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that
you suggested SWK said we must do this (eliminate sins
and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you
did not specifically say the following) that failure to
do so causes one to
michael douglas wrote:
jt:
I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it.
Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that
we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But
then I've been doing a little research, and have read that your
DAVEH: My most recent comments
are in PINK..
Kevin Deegan wrote:
FYI the 'Primitive Christians'
he is referring to were PAGANS
DAVEH: ??? Why would
pagans practice a Christian ordinance? That doesn't make sense to
me, Kevin. How do you define 'PAGANS'?
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:37:16 -0700
For the record, the Mormon perspective on this
question::The blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having
received a
perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghos
that Jesus is the Christ, that
God lives, and etc". I always thought it was to attribute the work of the Holy
Spirit to Satan. (See Mark 3:22 through 3:29)
From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Original Message]
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12/15/2003 2:51:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
**Someone put Dean writes: I did not write this Blaine (Below)
did.
For the record, the Mormon perspective on this question
Blaine:There is nothing superficial about the working of the Holy Spirit. When I first heard that the Mormons had "another" Gospel, the Holy Spirit residing in me screamed that this was a lie. I did not need to know about all the lies within that Gospel to know that the whole thing was a
[Original Message]
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12/12/2003 10:23:26 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
Dean wrote:
*Hi David-I asked you a question earlier and failed
to read your answer. Again could you tell me if a
person
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:33:38 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I believe He was trying to say
If you know the truth
You will be able to identify error (or lies) by comparing it to the real
McCoy
BlaineRB: Sorry, I didn't see any real
comparisons shown--just
For the record, the Mormon perspective on this question:: The blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having received a
perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that God
lives, and etc. Persons without this perfect knowledge cannot commit
this sin.
f the Holy Spirit to Satan. (See Mark 3:22 through 3:29)
From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:37:16 -0700
For the record, the Mormon perspective on this questio
YOU COULD NOT FIND
"The Prophet states you must be PERFECT NOW"
I CUT PASTE SOME OF THE PARTS THAT TEACH THE ABOVEassures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
DAVEH: Kevin, I am not suggesting that the overall nature of
THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS does not encourage mankind to repent while in
mortality. SWK is very insistent that repenting is a major part of
our reason for existing in mortality. He also counsels against putting
off repenting until the
jt: I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it. Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But then I've been doing a little research, and have read that your Church believes that
DAVEH SAYS: The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you did not specifically say the following) that failure to do so causes one to be cast into the lake of fire. As I read
Dave Hansen wrote:
The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that
you suggested SWK said we must do this (eliminate sins
and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you
did not specifically say the following) that failure to
do so causes one to be cast into the lake of
How dare youattack my integrity and then publicy do what you accuse me of. I think that is despicable.
*Kevin he did the same type ofmultiplication with me-by taking my words out of context of the original statement-Honestymust not be a part ofthe Mormon teachings or maybe when in a
Dean wrote:
*Hi David-I asked you a question earlier and failed
to read your answer. Again could you tell me if a
person that speaks against the Holy Ghost can still
become saved and enter heaven?
A person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven or saved. I
gave a more full
DAVEH: My latest post is
in GREEN...
jt: Where do you read that without baptism
one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of the early
Christians practiced baptism for the dead. Otherwise, it would have not
been necessary (in their eyes.)
jt: It wasn't
DAVEH: God had the ability to
create a world without sin, and to offer an easy salvation. But that is
not the way he did it.
jt: God did create a world without sin
and He does offer an easy salvation, after all it was he who provided the
lamb.
*DAVEH: And did he not also provide the
FYI the 'Primitive Christians' he is reffering to were PAGANS
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN...
jt: Where do you read that without baptism one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of the early Christians practiced
DaveH wrote:
Until I know what you and DavidM define it, I can't say
one way or the other. All I can tell you is what I
understand the Bible says..and that is that without
baptism, one cannot be fully saved.
For the record, I do NOT believe that baptism is a requirement without
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Oh so NOW I am Misquoting.Please provide
an example just one will do.
DAVEH: When you below
quoted "WE MUST BECOME PERFECT NOW", that was NOT part of SWK's text.
With all the LDS quotes I have posted this should be a EASY thing
to do. If it were only so.
DAVEH: SWK did not
se who have proven their worthiness through secret oaths, grips, tokens, and penalties.
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I see that you are the one, who took the LIBERTY to MISQUOTE me!
It is actually you who is guilty of MISQUOTING. I am deeply offended that you would misqoute me at the same time accuse me of that which you are guilty of!
You have put " "around my words.
It was not there; you did it. The PROOF is
As a
moderator of the list, I need to step in here and provide some guidance. I dont
want misunderstandings to cause hard feelings toward one another. Please
bear with me as I try and share an outsiders perspective here. Im
not trying to take sides, just make some observations and ask
MY COMMENTS ARE BOLD CAPITALIZED!
STARTING AT ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN ON PAGE 208
WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING HEADING TEXT
WE WILL CONTINUE THRU PG 209 TILL WE HIT 210
Repentant Life Seeks Perfection
One could multiply references almost indefinitely but enough has
been said to establish the point that
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN...
Wednesday---Kevin wrote:
OK,
The Prophet states you must be PERFECT NOW
You state it can wait, you are not perfect now
Who is right?
Are you a General Authority, in order to contradict another General
Authority?
It says you
I Do Not cut paste other's comments once in a great while, maybe.
I have every volume that I have quoted on TT.
Why I commented on the quotes? This ios the purpose of TT. I could simply post just quotes, but we are interested in discussion correct?
I was commenting and restating what is taught
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in GREEN...
Kevin Deegan wrote:
MY COMMENTS ARE BOLD CAPITALIZED!STARTING
AT ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN ON PAGE 208WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING HEADING
TEXTWE WILL CONTINUE THRU PG 209 TILL WE HIT 210Repentant
Life Seeks PerfectionOne could multiply references almost
DAVEH: My latest post is RED...
Judy Taylor wrote:
To me it
seems pretty logical that if God revealed his secrets to prophets in Bible
times, he would continue doing so afterwards.even unto this day.
I have heard that some Christians believe the heavens are sealed though.do
you
Terry Clifton wrote:
So Terry, do you agree
with my above explanation of why you misunderstand the perceived salvation
of the thief?
No. I believe that you are appointed once to die,
and then the judgment. If you are not saved when you draw your last
breath, you will open your eyes in
Kevin Deegan wrote:
judgment follows
death by some time
Do you believe in a Mormon purgatory?
DAVEH: You'll have to define it for me, Kevin.
That term is foreign to LDS theology.
Are you guys general Authorities?
DAVEH: Naw. (At least I'm not,
and if Blaine isI think he is just an
DAVEH: My latest post is
RED...
Judy Taylor wrote:
To me it seems pretty logical that if
God revealed his secrets to prophets in Bible times, he would continue doing
so afterwards.even unto this day. I have heard that some Christians
believe the heavens are sealed
DAVEH: I do admit to feeling rather comfortable in my
"pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the
questions I posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: How sad that your god is so small
DaveH, just like a man isn't he? I don't believe you have ever seriously
To me, it seems obvious, so I sometimes do not use all the words that I should to convey my meaning to others. Take it like this. If you are the owner of an orange grove, you know what oranges look like, where they come from, how much a box of oranges weighs, sell for, etc. Now, if you
In a message dated 12/9/2003 6:21:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended "that day"?Could it not be that he preached in the heart of the earth for threedays, rose from the dead, then entered heaven and ministered in
, 2003 7:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value
of Sin?
In a message dated 12/9/2003 6:21:39 AM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
that day?
Could it not be that he preached in the heart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: I do admit to feeling rather comfortable in my
"pretend
world". The reason for
that is that the world I live in answers the questions I posed to you (and
others in TT.)
> I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have prevented
it?' which
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DaveH: pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I
live in answers the questions I posed to you (and others in
TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have
prevented it?' which tells me you do not understand
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
DaveH: pretend world".
The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the questions I
posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could
have
DAVEH: My latest post is in
RED...
DaveH: pretend world". The reason for that is that the world I live in answers the
questions I posed to you (and others in TT.)
jt: I see your big hangup is 'why did God allow sin when he could have
prevented it?' which tells me you do not understand
CMON Dave there is more to the story than you let on here.
Why not fill her in on the "fall upward"? I agree that a caring person would not place someone in a situation that is harmful.
But again that too does not conform to LDS doctrine. CMON Dave, I am starting to think that you are being
DAVEH: No, not at all. The Lord's plan of "salvation" was infinitely better than the Adversary's plan. (I could explain why, but some in TT would accuse me of preaching Mormonism, or even worse!) To me, the plan of salvation as enveloped in the gospel has a grand an noble purpose that requires all
DaveH:
In order for one to feel "comfortable", as you put it, one does not have to know the truth. One onlyhas to believe that one knows the truth.
cpl
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
D
DAVEH: My latest post is
in GREEN...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jt: Where do
you read that without baptism one can not be fully saved in the Bible?
dh: That is why I believe some of
the early Christians practiced baptism for the dead. Otherwise, it
would have not been necessary (in their
Kevin Deegan wrote:
CMON Davethere
is more to the story than you let on here.Why not fill her in on
the "fall upward"?
DAVEH: I don't recall her
asking.
I agree that a caring person would not place someone
in a situation that is harmful.
DAVEH: So then let me ask
you, Kevin..From your
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN..
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH:
No, not at all. The Lord's plan of "salvation" was infinitely better
than the Adversary's plan. (I could explain why, but some in TT would
accuse me of preaching Mormonism, or even worse!) To me, the plan
of salvation as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH:
God had the ability to create a world without sin, and to offer an easy
salvation. But that is not the way he did it.
jt: God did create a world without
sin and He does offer an easy salvation, after all it was he who provided
the lamb.
*DAVEH: And did he not
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH:
In order for one to feel "comfortable", as you put it, one does not
have to know the truth. One only has to believe that one knows the truth.
DAVEH: Do you suppose that is true (and I did not mean that as a
pun) on both sides of the fence, Perry?
--
Judy wrote:
The thief went to Paradise with Jesus that very day
ascended with the rest of the ppl in Abraham's bosom
with Jesus when he ascended but he was in Paradise
with him THAT DAY.
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended that day?
Could it not be that he preached
David Miller wrote to Judy:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
that day? Could it not be that he preached in the heart
of the earth for three days, rose from the dead, then
entered heaven and ministered in the temple there, then
led Paradise to heaven at that time?
Hi terry, I just HAD to butt in on your conversation with DavidH. You
said, " If you know the truth, you will know a lie, even though you
have not studied the lie."
I am amazed you could write this contradiction. Are you sure this is
what you meant?
Shalom, BlaineRB
To me, it seems obvious, so I sometimes do not use all the words that I should to convey my meaning to others. Take it like this. If you are the owner of an orange grove, you know what oranges look like, where they come from, how much a box of oranges weighs, sell for, etc. Now, if you were
I believe He was trying to say
If you know the truth
You will be able to identify error (or lies) by comparing it to the real McCoy
I have heard it said that Bank employees Treasury agents do not take a class in Identifying, Forgery or Counterfieting. They are so familiar with the real thing,
David Miller wrote to Judy:
What leads you to believe that those in Paradise ascended
that day? Could it not be that he preached in the heart
of the earth for three days, rose from the dead, then
entered heaven and ministered in the temple there, then
led Paradise to heaven at that time?
Judy wrote:
You are accusing me of writing
something I never wrote.
Sorry, Judy, but I wasn't accusing you of anything. I apparently
misunderstood you and so I asked for you to clarify your understanding.
You had written the following:
The thief went to Paradise with Jesus that very day
judgment follows death by some time
Do you believe in a Mormon purgatory?
Are you guys general Authorities?
The prophets words are scripture. He does not have to say "thus saith the Lord"
The Prophet Spencer W Kimball said
"Christ became perfect through overcoming. Only as we overcome shall we
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
Jesus was convicted of being seditious.
DAVEH:
A trumped up charge...
Of course, but from my perspective, street preachers often suffer
similar trumped up charges. Now I grant you that there are loony
zealots out there too that act
DAVEH: My latest comments are in
BLUE...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: The point I'm
trying to make (and find out why Protestants believe as they do), is that
God could have created us and the world that way (devoid of the problems)
from Day 1. Yet for some reason,
DAVEH: Do you suppose the 'salvation' Jesus
referred to coming to Zacchaeus' house (Lk 19:9) might refer to the
author of salvation (Jesus) abiding at his house (Lk 19:5)?
the cross, both of which would seem to
punch holes in your argument,
Judy wrote:
Regeneration by baptism is NOT a scriptural teaching.
This statement seems rather arrogant to me. Surely you must understand
that very good students of the Scriptures have held to regeneration by
baptism. For example, Martin Luther believed it. Luther was a champion
of saved by
Judy wrote:
Regeneration by baptism is NOT a scriptural teaching.
dm: This statement seems rather arrogant to me. Surely you must
understand that very good students of the Scriptures have held to
regeneration by baptism. For example, Martin Luther believed it.
jt: Something is either true
DAVEH: My latest reply is in
GREEN
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
Do you suppose the 'salvation' Jesus referred to coming to Zacchaeus' house
(Lk 19:9) might refer to the author of salvation (Jesus) abiding
at his house (Lk 19:5)? > the cross, both of which would seem to
punch holes in
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in GREEN...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Dave, you write:
DAVEH: The point I'm trying to make (and
find out why Protestants believe as they do), is that God could have created
us and the world that way (devoid of the problems) from Day 1. Yet
for some reason, he
DAVEH: My latest comments are in
GREEN...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: The point I'm trying to make (and find out
why Protestants believe as they do), is that God could have created us and the
world that way (devoid of the problems) from Day 1. Yet for some reason,
he
DAVEH: My latest post is in BLUE
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
While baptism in itself will not save anybody, I firmly believe without
baptism, one cannot be saved. (Mk 16:16 and Jn 3:5)C'mon
Dave:Read Luke.
Start at 19:2 and read down to 19:9.
DAVEH: I read it, and I think
the meaning
Hi Dave, you write:DAVEH: My latest
comments are in RED...
DAVEH: The point I'm trying to make (and find out
why Protestants believe as they do), is that God
could have created us and the world that way (devoid of the problems) from Day
1. Yet for some reason, he allowed sin to enter
DAVEH: My latest comments are in RED...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>DAVEH:
As I understand Protestant theology, God created Satan and knew what Satan
would do. He also created Adam and Eve and knew what they were going
to do. Unless God intended
Dean writes:
Judy, Mormons view the fall of Man as a good thing that allows them to work themselves to Godhood. Their offering to God is Cain's offering to God which was the works of his hands-same as Satan' way of using the fig leaves to cover one sinful nakedness in the sight of
DAVEH: My latest post is in
GREEN.
Dean Moore wrote:
Stop this sin now or I will burn you
in a devils Hell".
DAVEH: Is that the manner
in which you (or any other Christian) would threaten your children in an
effort to change them, Carroll?#Dean writes:No
DaveH I would not but I am not God
DAVEH: My latest contribution
is in GREEN...
Dean Moore wrote:
Dean writes:
Judy, Mormons view the fall of Man as a good thing
that allows them to work themselves to Godhood. Their offering to God is
Cain's offering to God which was the works of his hands-same as Satan'
way of using the
Carrolll Moore wrote:
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/28/2003 2:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Value of Sin?
DAVEH: My latest
comments are in GREEN..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wr
DAVEH: My most recent post is
in BLUE.
Carrolll Moore wrote:
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/26/2003 7:58:49
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The Value of Sin?
No suggestions. I am stating plainly that God
has given you an option. Love sin
David Miller wrote:
Jesus was convicted of being seditious.
DAVEH:
A trumped up charge...
Of course, but from my perspective, street preachers often suffer
similar trumped up charges. Now I grant you that there are loony
zealots out there too that act inappropriately, but I don't think
DAVEH: My latest comments
are in GREEN..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>DAVEH:
As I understand Protestant theology, God created Satan and knew what Satan
would do. He also created Adam and Eve and knew what they were going
to
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAVEH: My latest
comments are in GREEN..
[EMAIL PROTECTED]DAVEH: As I
understand Protestant theology, God created Satan and knew what Satan would
do. He also created Adam and Eve and knew what they were going to
do. Unless God intended for Adam/Eve to
- Original Message -
From: Dave Hansen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/27/2003 4:34:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED.
Carrolll Moore wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/26/2003 7
- Original Message -
From: Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/28/2003 2:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?
DAVEH: My latest comments are in GREEN..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED
DAVEH: My latest post is
in RED.
Carrolll Moore wrote:
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/26/2003 7:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value
of Sin?
No suggestions. I am stating plainly that God
has given you an option. Love sin, or love Him
DAVEH: My latest post is in Red.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>DAVEH:
I think most folks would prefer their loved ones suffer no pain or misery.
I'm trying to figure out what reasons Protestants think pain or misery
(caused by the Devil) is 'good' for us.
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
If God is all knowing, and all powerful then it would
seem like either he made a mistake, or he intended that
sin and failure be a part of our life. I think everybody
agrees that he doesn't make mistakes, so why do Protestants
think sin is good for
DaveH wrote:
I am just curious as to why some protesters feel
the need to be obnoxious while doing so. Did Jesus
demonstrate in an obnoxious manner to those who had
dissimilar beliefs?
Dave, society and government does not imprison people or crucify them if
such persons were not
David Miller wrote:
The purpose of earth is not to show the value of sin,
but to show the exceedingly wicked results of sin.
DAVEH:
Huh?!?!?!?! That's the reason we are on earth
to learn not to sin???
No... to show or demonstrate the wicked RESULTS of sin. Remember that
there
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
I am just curious as to why some protesters feel
the need to be obnoxious while doing so. Did Jesus
demonstrate in an obnoxious manner to those who had
dissimilar beliefs?
Dave, society and government does not imprison people or crucify them if
such
appreciate him??? I hope
that isn't doctrinal Protestantism. If it is, it does seem a bit
perverse.
Terry
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:42
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value
of Sin?
DAVEH: No problem, Judy. After sleeping
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: No problem, Judy. After sleeping on it last night,I
may have a better way of explaining myself this morning.So, I'll reword
it in another way.As I understand Protestant theology, God created Satan
and knew what Satan would do. He
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Dave
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of
Sin?
Terry Clifton wrote:
DaveH:It's so simple that most people
miss it! If you did not know how evil Satan is, you
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]DAVEH: As
I understand Protestant theology, God created Satan and knew what Satan would
do. He also created Adam and Eve and knew what they were going to
do. Unless God intended for Adam/Eve to 'fall', why do
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value
of Sin?
Terry Clifton wrote:
DaveH:It's so simple
that most people miss it! If you did not know how evil Satan is,
you would never have any way to comprehend how good God is. If
you ain't ever seen ugly, how you gonna 'preciate beauty?
DAVEH: Terry.Are you
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAVEH: I think most folks would
prefer their loved ones suffer no pain or misery. I'm trying to figure out
what reasons Protestants think pain or misery (caused by the Devil) is 'good'
for us. Otherwise..why would he (God) simply not eliminate
it. Being
DaveH wrote:
If God is all knowing, and all powerful then it would
seem like either he made a mistake, or he intended that
sin and failure be a part of our life. I think everybody
agrees that he doesn't make mistakes, so why do Protestants
think sin is good for us? Yes, I
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