From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin,
If it is not your gift to reach people in
these arenas, that is fine. Why be offended if it is someone else's? Jesus is
not bound by our limitations. He always raises someone up to preach the Gospel.
That someone may be a philosopher to
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
His own testimonial as relayed through several of
his close friends. His own words in his book entitled Meaning. The very
fact that he walked away from a very proud heritage both in Judaism and later in
the arena of Science to become a participating
Could you explain what you mean by Gospel here?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin,
If it is not your gift to reach people in these arenas, that is fine. Why be offended if it is someone else's? Jesus is not bound by our limitations. He always raises
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy,
I do not know if you are aware of this, so I won't
call your behavior devious and your arguments intellectually dishonest. Instead
I will give you the benefit of doubt and simply point out that you are committing an age-old fallacy in several of your
Again a NO answer, just more verbage from one who has no ears to hear.
Blaine you have got to be the KING of ASSERTIONS.
The question is
WHY ARE MY STATEMENTS TOTURED?
WHY IS THE BIBLE WRONG ABOUT LOST SHEEP?
3 Nephi was written in 1829. How does it prove anything?
Show proof why this is not
Imagine that, not even looking for God at all, in the wrong places he met Jesus In an Acid Trip?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin,
I don't know about Van Halen, but my friend was tripping on acid, yes. When he saw the blond haired big man coming toward him he fell to his knees and
Is this some form of ON - Line Tongues?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there
is much overlap.. with what you shared about Polanyi. The terms “
Sounds like this guy was scared into some kind of
belief by the bonde apparition. I hope
for his sake that he has come to a valid faith because
I've always heard that anyone who was
scared in could also be scared out. We know Jesus
being Semitic would not have been blonde
contrary to the
Do you mean me Kevin?
I believe God chooses to save ppl by the foolishness of preaching and that
what is preached is important.
Sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come should be explained along with
the death, burial and
resurrection of Christ and how his blood cleanses our conscience
Blessings, Lance
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From:
Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 24, 2004 08:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All truth leads
to Jesus.
Judy, Kevin, and anyone else you may be awake at
this hour:
There is much to which I could
Bill, Im sorry to hear that you are
withdrawingjust when you had drawn me back into TT. I withdrew a few
months ago for the same reasontired of putting up with people who are
more interested in being Contentious than kindly exploring issues of Truth in
the community of Christ. I hope youll
No, sorry that I was not clear.I was asking Bill. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean me Kevin?
I believe God chooses to save ppl by the foolishness of preaching and that what is preached is important. Sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come should be explained along with the
Don't hold your breath, waiting.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine,Just a reminder that there is a challenge on the table for you to present one provable, or proven, fact from the BoM that did not come from the Bible. Maybe you have not gotten to it yet in your catching up on TT
Bill Taylor wrote:
Hey David Miller,
Is it still alright to discuss science
and philosophy on your forum?
Yes, Bill, it is still alright to discuss science and philosophy. We
are a diverse group of people here. Some are scientists and some are
philosophers, but some think science and
whilePolanyi criticizes
subjectivity,you fluidlyembracesubjectivismand,
therefore,teachpeople, falsely; e.g.,:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04
-0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a
revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there
is much overlap..
Judy wrote:
They gave up their former way of life and thought
- in Pauls case he counted all of it dung.
Yet Paul continued to be a Pharisee. He did not forsake his foundation
in Judaism, but instead God used his Pharisaical training to give us a
significant contribution of the Holy
disagree, DavidM; knowing the source of
certain valid doctrine, acc to JC,is only contingent upon something
afollowerdoes, not at all contingent on, e.g.,
philosophy,experience/s in which the follower is already trained or
otherwise (unwittingly:) engrossed
ftr, this comment is germane
Vince wrote:
Theology is more like math than science
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Math is the language of science.
Without math, science cannot do what it does. Maybe you can elaborate
on what you had in mind when you said that theology is more like math
than science.
Vince wrote:
you
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy
wrote: They gave up their former way of life and thought - in
Pauls case he counted all of it dung.
Yet Paul continued to be a Pharisee.
jt: Not so ... after his conversion Paul was no longer
the Pharisee of
the Pharisees and one who persecuted
FIVE-LETTER WORD
It shines in the shadowsIt shines where the
sun shines leastIt lights up the basementAnd the breeding grounds of the
beastYou can always see it comingAnd run from its rays if you
please
There's a plot to destroy itA plot to stifle
its effectIts engineered suppressionIs
Judy wrote:
there is no way I can relate to all the philosophy,
enlightenment teaching, the Nicene fathers, et al
in your head Bill. but I am a student of God's Word
and what I write is either Truth or it is not.
If you can show me by God's Word where I am wrong
- then hopefully we can
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy
wrote: there is no way I can relate to all the philosophy,
enlightenment teaching, the Nicene fathers, et al in your head Bill.
but I am a student of God's Word and what I write is either Truth
or it is not. If you can show me by God's Word
g wrote:
disagree, DavidM;
You need to define your terms. I suspect you are more knowledgeable
about philosophy than I am, and I am not sure we have the same
understanding of the philosophical terms that you use.
g wrote:
knowing the source of certain valid doctrine,
acc to JC, is only
David Miller wrote:
Yet Paul continued to be a Pharisee.
Judy wrote:
Not so ... after his conversion Paul was
no longer the Pharisee of the Pharisees
and one who persecuted the Church.
Check again, Judy. Paul certainly stopped persecuting the church, but
many Pharisees believed on
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]g wrote:
ftr, this comment is germane to the critique of your comments to
Judy--acc to the NT, the Ap. Paul's Judaisim (the Pharisaic 'doctrine'
he was taught) radically conflicts with the 'doctrine' of God,
as above, acc to JC
Radically conflicts?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David Miller
wrote: Yet Paul continued to be a Pharisee. Judy wrote: Not so ... after his conversion Paul was
no longer the Pharisee of the Pharisees and one who persecuted
the Church.
Check again, Judy. Paul certainly stopped persecuting the church,
Now Now, CONTEXT David.
1 Co 14 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant
How about some BIBLIOLOGY!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy wrote: there is no way I can relate to all the philosophy, enlightenment teaching, the Nicene fathers, et al in your head Bill. but I am a student of God's Word and what I write is either Truth or it is not. If you can show
Hi Judy.
We are not that far apart. As per Kevin's admonition, I'm not going to
wrangle or strive over words. I do appreciate your comments.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
To whet your appetite for more, I share the following from Torrance's
book, The Mediation of Christ:
All through the incarnate life and activity of the Lord Jesus we are
shown that 'all of grace' does not mean 'nothing of man', but precisely
the opposite: all of grace means all of man, for the
Thank you, Kevin. You said it much better than I did. It is good to see that we are in agreement.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Wednesday,
In a message dated 3/23/2004 6:52:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, Funny you would bring up GlasserI stumbled upon his theories in nursing school, and he made more sense than all the others put together. He acted as if there was no such thing as insanity and treated
In a message dated 3/23/2004 7:46:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks, John. Welcome Back. And you get a smiley face {:)
Hey, you mentioned an interest in conscience theory, and you expressed your opposition to secular psychology. Do you have Ed Bulkley, Why
True, John. This just proves that Believers
do not have a corner on all truth.
Some unbelievers stumble onto truth also. Truth includes whatever
really works, based on discoveries of how Gods creation operates. So we
can take the good (Glassers method) and discard the bad (Glassers
Science needs math, but math doesn't need science.
Mathematicians and theologians both can and often do start with
premises which they find interesting but are not necessarily rooted in
the real world, then they follow out the logical implications of those
premises. The analogy breaks
Blaine: Sorry, but I
got so far behind, I started deleting posts without reading them--it was the
only way I could catch up and get current. (:) I even deleted
DavidM's posts, which I am usually careful to read, so don't take it
personally. In fact, I unsubscribed for a couple of days
Hi Bill,
I agree that the Lord works in mysterious ways his
wonders to perform--there is much we don'tunderstand that he does, and I
guess the bottom line is--whatever works, works, huh?
Advocates of BIBLE ONLY scriptures might take
offense at this, but I can't pass up this opportunity to
Judy wrote: There
is ONE Lord
Blaine: You didn't
finish the passage, which reads, "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." Eph
4:5
I am curious, in your
opinion, does modern Christianity fulfill this scripture?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blaine: In
the Book of Mosiah in the BoM, King Noah, a wicked Nephite King, built
many elegant buildings and "ornamented them with fine work of wood, and of
all manner of precious things, of gold, and of silver, and of iron"
(Mosiah 11:8)
We would not think of iron as
a decorative metal
Blaine: This has nothing to do with my Mormon
upbringing, but I beg to differ with your statement,
" Astrology is not science. They make
observations, but they have no theories to explain the universe or any
part of it. Their ideas cannot be tested.
Anyone familiar with the subject of
Blaine: I think Paul was a disciple of an important Pharisee--Hillel--
before he was converted to Christ, and this training gave him the fertile
field he needed to fully understand and explain Christ to the disciples who,
although sincere, did not have the beautiful insights Paul's training gave
Blaine: Kevin, I did not say your statements
were tortured--I said your arguments were tortuous, which means they twist and turn and present a challenge
to anyone trying to follow them--like a road that winds through a canyon with a
lot of turns andswitchbacks in it. Maybe having been born
Blaine: Good reasoning, as usual, David--good backup scriptures, too
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Gary wrote:
... you fluidly embrace subjectivism and,
Blaine,
I offered the challenge a week or so ago:
If you cannot find even one proven fact in the BoM that is not from the
Bible, then my assertion about it's fictional nature stands.
That is interesting about the barley, but it hardly consitutes a proof.
There is no linkage between the
Vince wrote:
The analogy breaks down in that theologians'
conclusions can be tried against God's truth
as revealed in the bible, but there's no way
that I know of to check the conclusions of
mathematicians.
Didn't you ever work on proofs in math class? Math is strictly
deductive (isn't
how is it that even redeemd ppl, Jesus'
followers today,are at a loss to express "how[God] spoke the worlds
into existence"?
perhaps even redeemd ppl have "darkened
minds"; perhaps the subject matter itself is off limits
re: the latter choice, whilewe are
faced with the absolutely
Perry wrote:
If you cannot find even one proven fact in the BoM
that is not from the Bible, then my assertion about
it's fictional nature stands.
That is interesting about the barley, but it
hardly consitutes a proof. There is no linkage
between the barley the BoM other than in name
Blaine wrote:
You didn't finish the passage, which reads,
one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Eph 4:5
I am curious, in your opinion, does modern
Christianity fulfill this scripture?
At least as good as Mormonism, eh? LOL.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
--
David,
You are right. Even one falsehood in the BoM should cast skepticism on
the entire book, causing one who believes it is true to question every
statement. However, LDS apologists are not about to let that happen. They
are very clever at twisting scripture to use as prooftexts for the
In a message dated 3/24/2004 5:50:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I hope youll stay. Izzy
Ditto
John Smithson
In a message dated 3/24/2004 4:31:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. (Prov.13:22) Sometimes that wealth is a discovery or a method that works. Izzy
Very well stated. I am and have been a disciple for 47 years ---
In a message dated 3/24/2004 7:32:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your comments actually show your almost total ignorance of the subject of Astrology--I could say much more, but will suffice for now.
two things: I'll bet (and I am a betting man) that vince is somewhat
In a message dated 3/24/2004 1:14:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I AM A PHARISEE" not "I was a Pharisee."
In addition to this observation, Paul did not leave behind the practice of Old Covenant Law. Let's not forget that he went thru temple purification (Acts 21).
In a message dated 3/24/2004 6:47:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was raised in a denomination with a social gospel which was death to me.
What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa 58:9-11.
Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second
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