subject:"\[TruthTalk\] Who is God\?"





Do YOU know of anyone who has read that
new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling

DAVEH: I'm not aware of anybody locally who has read it. I belong to
Mormon-Library, and several members have it, but as yet none have
posted a personal review. Several reviews have been posted on M-L
though, but the reviews were not by the MLers. From everything I've
heard, it is a good biography of JS. Several MLers are book dealers,
and they've said RSR is outselling the other JS biographies by a large
margin. FWIWThere must have been at least a half dozen or more
biographies about JS published this past year.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  
  One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave!
You'd be so bold as to contrast man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF
your first 'prophet' wasn't a prophet then, your whole
system/foundation/restored version is man-made.
  
  PS:Do YOU know of anyone who has
read that new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone
Rolling - Richard Lyman Bushman
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave

To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 19, 2006 11:21
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


I was wondering how you would answer.

DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. I will
reciprocate. 

 Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in
the Biblical version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and
Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred to as God.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity
that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer.
  
  
  Is this that difficult to answer?
  
  Who do you, believe to be
God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Maybe you can help me out
here Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?




Sadly Dave, this is the retort that many/most make 
in the face of disagreement. We're saying 'if you really understood then, you'd 
agree with me/us'.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 19, 2006 17:16
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you 
  do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, 
  Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin 
  Deegan wrote: 
  
Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance 
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  

  As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here 
  already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than 
  he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?
  
  ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph 
  Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman
  - Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: 
March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than 
  me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the 
  Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
H?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

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 ~~~
 Dave Hansen
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

I'm reading it now, Dave.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 19, 2006 17:17
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith 
  - Rough Stone RollingDAVEH: Have you read it, 
  Lance?Lance Muir wrote: 

As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here 
already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he 
does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph 
Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
  exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

  Is this that difficult to 
  answer?

  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me 
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, 
Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
  H?

  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?

  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost

-- 
 ~~~
 Dave Hansen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.langlitz.com
 ~~~
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 things I find interesting,
 I maintain six email lists...
 JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

'muddle in his own puddle', I like it.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave Hansen 

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 20, 2006 01:36
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  DAVEH: ??? Why do you say that, 
  Kevin? Just because I don't always respond quickly or as often as you do 
  hardly means that I am not willing to defend that which I believe to be 
  true. Nor am I compelled to respond to every post aimed at 
  deriding that which I believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the 
  poster muddle in his own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon 
faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  You are right about that!
  I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you 
  tell me you really have one.
  Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you 
  have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Do 
I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You 
certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is 
obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the 
  opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone 
here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or 
better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass 
him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 
'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
Bushman
- Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

  As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity 
  that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

  Is this that difficult to 
  answer?

  Who do you, 
  believe to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy 
  Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather 
than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe 
about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Maybe you can help me out here 
  Dave H?

  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?

  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost

-- 
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
If you wish to receive
things I find interesting,
I maintain six email lists...
JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?




It's OK to answere the oft-asked first question, 
DH. Nobody reads TT of any consequence. IMO your's is a genuinely house of cards 
system. Is it not likely, perhaps even necessarily, the case that IFF JS were a 
fraud then the balance of the LDS superstructure collapses?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave Hansen 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 03:10
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  Do YOU know of anyone who has read 
  that new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone 
  RollingDAVEH: I'm not aware of anybody locally who 
  has read it. I belong to Mormon-Library, and several members have it, 
  but as yet none have posted a personal review. Several reviews have been 
  posted on M-L though, but the reviews were not by the MLers. From 
  everything I've heard, it is a good biography of JS. Several MLers are 
  book dealers, and they've said RSR is outselling the other JS biographies by a 
  large margin. FWIWThere must have been at least a half dozen or more 
  biographies about JS published this past year.Lance Muir wrote: 
  



One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave! You'd be so 
bold as to contrast man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF your first 
'prophet' wasn't a prophet then, your whole system/foundation/restored 
version is man-made.

PS:Do YOU know of anyone who has read that 
new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling - 
Richard Lyman Bushman

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 11:21
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  I was wondering how you would 
  answer.DAVEH: Thank you for your below 
  succinct answer, Kevin. I will reciprocate. 
   Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the 
  Trinity, I believe in the Biblical version of the Godhead where each 
  person (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred to as 
  God.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than 
  me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the 
  Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
H?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN One God or Three which is it? Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: ??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is
God?As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy
Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father Son Holy Ghost-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

If you do not believe that God is expressesed as a Trinity How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one.DAVEH: I don't know if you read my posts, but fail to understand them. Or Kevinperhaps you don't bother reading them at all, but just skim them for the talking points. Do you not recall me saying that I worship only one God?Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.DAVEH: I'm not sure why it is difficult to understand, Kevin. Do you not recall the Paul saying[1Cor8:5] For though
there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,).then Paul goes on to explain.[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.that to us there is but one God, the Father[Jn 4:23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship himand we are to worship the Fatherthe true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship himand if there is any question as to the meaning, he goes on to say the Father seeketh such to worship him.. The Bible is pretty clear on this and makes
it very simple to understand. Once again, Kevin...this is what I believe. If you have a problem understanding it, or comprehending itI don't know what else to say.other than..Perhaps the Trinity Doctrine has muddled your thinking.Kevin Deegan wrote: You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know LDS theology as well as you
do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass
him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father Son Holy Ghost-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect 
teaches.
2. It is just possible that that which he believes 
differs from that which his sect teaches.
3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, that 
he might believe truly for the wrong reasons.
4. It is further possible that he, as it is with 
anyone, that he might believe wrongly for the right reasons.

L

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 07:06
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  
  Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN
  One God or Three which is it?
  Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  DAVEH: 
??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always 
respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing to 
defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled to 
respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I believe.sometimes 
I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his own puddle.Kevin 
Deegan wrote: 
I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon 
  faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
You are right about that!
I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you 
tell me you really have one.
Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you 
have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
too.
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Do 
  I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: 
  You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is 
  obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the 
opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  

  As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone 
  here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or 
  better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass 
  him?
  
  ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 
  'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
  Bushman
  - Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: 
March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity 
that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do you, 
believe to be God?
Father
Son
Holy 
Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, 
  Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me 
  how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy 
  Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me out 
here Dave H?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

  --   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE
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You left out It is also possible that anything is possibleLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect teaches. 2. It is just possible that that which he believes differs from that which his sect teaches. 3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, that he might believe truly for the wrong reasons. 4. It is further possible that he, as it is with anyone, that he might believe wrongly for the right reasons.L- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2006 07:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN One God or Three which is it? Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: ??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have
an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you,
believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father Son Holy Ghost-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! TravelFind great deals to the top 10 hottest
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It is also possible that sometimes you sound like 
your grandchildren.:) Seriously folks, I embrace (figuratively of course, DM) 
all on TT as believers/Christians/members of the body of Christ. Just as each 
takes into account the flawed/redeemed humanity of family members('ceptin 
the Miller family of course who are themselves without spot or wrinkle) we can, 
do and, ought to engage one another vociferously so as to teach and to learn 
from one another.(unless they happen to be a Republican :))

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 07:15
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  
  You left out 
  It is also possible that anything is possibleLance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect 
teaches.
2. It is just possible that that which he 
believes differs from that which his sect teaches.
3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, 
that he might believe truly for the wrong reasons.
4. It is further possible that he, as it is 
with anyone, that he might believe wrongly for the right 
reasons.

L

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 07:06
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
  God?
  
  Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN
  One God or Three which is it?
  Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always 
respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing 
to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I 
compelled to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I 
believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his 
own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon 
  faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
You are right about that!
I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but 
you tell me you really have one.
Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say 
you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
too.
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Do 
  I know LDS theology as well as you 
  do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot 
  about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't 
  understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the 
opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  

  As DH has acknowledged and, 
  'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his 
  sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to 
  teach or embarrass him?
  
  ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the 
  book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
  Bushman
  - Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: 
March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a 
Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would 
answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do 
you, believe to be God?
Father
Son
Holy 
Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, 
  Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell 
  me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy 
  Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me 
out here Dave H?

Who do you, believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

If Elohim is the ONE God why did Jehovah Michael take part in organizing the earth? "It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael . . ." Journal of Discourses 1:51, 9 April 1852Seems like a Trinity of Organizing gods to me. Are they separate individuals? It is true it is HARD to understand how they are THREE mathematically.I did not ask how many gods LDS "have to do" with. I asked how many gods? Father Son Holy Ghost Michael also called AdamFather Son Holy Ghost Father Son Michael the Organizing TRINITY? "Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days" DC 27:11 Why was Adam "The ancient of days"(Michael)involved in the "CREATION" of Earth?
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one.DAVEH: I don't know if you read my posts, but fail to understand them. Or Kevinperhaps you don't bother reading them at all, but just skim them for the talking points. Do you not recall me saying that I worship only one God?Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.DAVEH: I'm not sure why it is difficult to understand, Kevin. Do you not recall the Paul saying[1Cor8:5] For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,).then Paul goes on to
explain.[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.that to us there is but one God, the Father[Jn 4:23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship himand we are to worship the Fatherthe true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship himand if there is any question as to the meaning, he goes on to say the Father seeketh such to worship him.. The Bible is pretty clear on this and makes it very simple to understand. Once again, Kevin...this is what I believe. If you have a problem understanding it, or comprehending
itI don't know what else to say.other than..Perhaps the Trinity Doctrine has muddled your thinking.Kevin Deegan wrote: You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin
Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman
Bushman - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how
you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father Son Holy Ghost-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER,
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?




Everyone on TT is 'an heretick'. One question is 
'Can one be 'an heretick' yet have their name written in 'The Lamb's book of 
Life'?


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 07:28
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  
  If Elohim is the ONE God why did Jehovah  Michael take part in 
  organizing the earth?
  "It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, 
  namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael . . ." Journal of Discourses 
  1:51, 9 April 1852
  
  Seems like a Trinity of Organizing gods to me. Are they separate 
  individuals?
  It is true it is HARD to understand how they are THREE 
  mathematically.
  
  I did not ask how many gods LDS "have to do" with.
  I asked how many gods?
  Father 
  Son 
  Holy Ghost
  Michael also called Adam
  
  Father Son Holy Ghost  Father Son  Michael the Organizing 
  TRINITY?
  "Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days" 
  DC 27:11
  Why was Adam "The ancient of days"(Michael)involved in the 
  "CREATION" of Earth?
  Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I 
do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me 
you really have one.DAVEH: I don't know if you read 
my posts, but fail to understand them. Or Kevinperhaps you don't 
bother reading them at all, but just skim them for the talking 
points. Do you not recall me saying that I worship only one 
God?Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say 
you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
too.DAVEH: I'm not sure why it is difficult to 
understand, Kevin. Do you not recall the Paul 
saying[1Cor8:5] For though there be that are called gods, 
whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords 
many,).then Paul goes on to explain.[6] 
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, 
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by 
him.that to us there is but one God, the 
Father[Jn 4:23] But the hour cometh, and now is, 
when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in 
truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship himand 
we are to worship the 
Fatherthe true worshippers shall 
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to 
worship himand if there is any question as to the 
meaning, he goes on to say the Father seeketh such to worship 
him.. The Bible is pretty clear on this and makes it very 
simple to understand. Once again, Kevin...this is what I 
believe. If you have a problem understanding it, or comprehending 
itI don't know what else to say.other than..Perhaps the Trinity 
Doctrine has muddled your thinking.Kevin 
Deegan wrote: 

  You are right about that!
  I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but 
  you tell me you really have one.
  Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you 
  have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
  too.
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Do 
I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You 
certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is 
obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the 
  opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone 
here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or 
better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass 
him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 
'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
Bushman
- Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 07:00
          Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  
  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity 
  that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to 
  answer?
  
  Who do you, 
  believe to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy 
  Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH:

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor




Why would he call himself a Mormon or for that matter 
identify with any 'ism in which he
did not believe Lance? I go to a Reformed Church 
but I will not join and I do not identify myself
with or tell others that I am Presbyterian. It is 
possible not to be affiliated with a sect Lance.
Just as it is possible to understand and walk in 
Truth. HELLO?

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:12:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect 
  teaches.
  2. It is just possible that that which he 
  believes differs from that which his sect teaches.
  3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, 
  that he might believe truly for the wrong reasons.
  4. It is further possible that he, as it is with 
  anyone, that he might believe wrongly for the right reasons.
  
  L
  
From: Kevin Deegan 

Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN
One God or Three which is it?
Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  ??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always 
  respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing 
  to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled 
  to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I 
  believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his 
  own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon 
faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  You are right about that!
  I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but 
  you tell me you really have one.
  Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you 
  have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
  too.
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Do 
I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: 
You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it 
is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the 
  opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



As DH has acknowledged and, 
'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his 
sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach 
or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 
'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
Bushman
- Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  
  As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a 
  Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would 
  answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to 
  answer?
  
  Who do you, 
  believe to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy 
  Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, 
Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell 
me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy 
Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Maybe you can help me out 
  here Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?




Hello? (I believe that it was Bill Cosby who 
popularized this put down) I guess even you are a part of pop culture, 
Judy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 08:43
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  
  Why would he call himself a Mormon or for that matter 
  identify with any 'ism in which he
  did not believe Lance? I go to a Reformed 
  Church but I will not join and I do not identify myself
  with or tell others that I am Presbyterian. It 
  is possible not to be affiliated with a sect Lance.
  Just as it is possible to understand and walk in 
  Truth. HELLO?
  
  On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:12:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect 
teaches.
2. It is just possible that that which he 
believes differs from that which his sect teaches.
3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, 
that he might believe truly for the wrong reasons.
4. It is further possible that he, as it is 
with anyone, that he might believe wrongly for the right 
reasons.

L

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  
  Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN
  One God or Three which is it?
  Why is that so hard???Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always 
respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing 
to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I 
compelled to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I 
believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his 
own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon 
  faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
You are right about that!
I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but 
you tell me you really have one.
Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say 
you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend 
too.
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Do 
  I know LDS theology as well as you 
  do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot 
  about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't 
  understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the 
opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  

  As DH has acknowledged and, 
  'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his 
  sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to 
  teach or embarrass him?
  
  ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the 
  book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman 
  Bushman
  - Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: 
March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: 
    Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a 
Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would 
answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do 
you, believe to be God?
Father
Son
Holy 
Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, 
  Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell 
  me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy 
  Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me 
out here Dave H?

Who do you, believe to 
be God?

Father
Son

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?





It's OK to answere the oft-asked first
question, DH.

DAVEH: ??? What first question?

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  It's OK to answere the oft-asked
first question, DH. Nobody reads TT of any consequence. IMO your's
is a genuinely house of cards system. Is it not likely, perhaps even
necessarily, the case that IFF JS were a fraud then the balance of the
LDS superstructure collapses?
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave
Hansen 
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 20, 2006 03:10
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


Do YOU know of anyone who has read
that new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling

DAVEH: I'm not aware of anybody locally who has read it. I belong to
Mormon-Library, and several members have it, but as yet none have
posted a personal review. Several reviews have been posted on M-L
though, but the reviews were not by the MLers. From everything I've
heard, it is a good biography of JS. Several MLers are book dealers,
and they've said RSR is outselling the other JS biographies by a large
margin. FWIWThere must have been at least a half dozen or more
biographies about JS published this past year.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave!
You'd be so bold as to contrast man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF
your first 'prophet' wasn't a prophet then, your whole
system/foundation/restored version is man-made.
  
  PS:Do YOU know of anyone who
has read that new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough
Stone Rolling - Richard Lyman Bushman
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave

To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 19, 2006 11:21
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


I was wondering how you would answer.

DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. I will
reciprocate. 

 Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in
the Biblical version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and
Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred to as God.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a
Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer.
  
  
  Is this that difficult to
answer?
  
  Who do you, believe
to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Maybe you can help me out
here Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be
God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
   
  

  


  


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 We're saying 'if you really understood
then, you'd agree with me/us'.

DAVEH: I don't see it that way at all, Lance. One can understand
something and still disagree. For instance, I understand why some
denominations baptize infants. That does not mean that I agree with
them.rather it just means I can understand their rationale for
doing so. 

 As I see it, some people read something related to LDS theology and
then assume it means something entirely different than what LDS people
understand it to mean. Usually that is because the person either has
an agenda, and reads into the words the meaning that fits that
agenda...or, the person takes the words out of context and/or fails
to consider related clarifying information ...or, the person fails
to consider the source of the information and assumes the information
has more relevance than reality dictates.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  Sadly Dave, this is the retort that
many/most make in the face of disagreement. We're saying 'if you
really understood then, you'd agree with me/us'.
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave

To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 19, 2006 17:16
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?

DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it
is obvious that you don't understand it.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!
  
  

  


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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-20 Thread knpraise


dH, hopefully, you will not feel the need to respond to Kevin's 
pretense that you shy away from a Mormon defense. It is apparent
to any thinking person on this forum that such is not the case. Rather
it is Kevin who avoids such opportunities, time after time. 

I would not take seriously the criticism of one who does not practice 
what he preaches. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

'muddle in his own puddle', I like it.

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 20, 2006 01:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
DAVEH: ??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't always respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled to respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I believe.sometimes I'm quite content letting the poster muddle in his own puddle.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

You are right about that!
I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one.
Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 

Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to answer?

Who do you, believe to be God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?

Who do you, believe to be God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

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DH:IFF that position you claim to understand is, in 
reality, true THEN you don't actually understand it, do you?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave Hansen 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 20, 2006 10:08
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  We're saying 'if you really 
  understood then, you'd agree with me/us'.DAVEH: I 
  don't see it that way at all, Lance. One can understand something and 
  still disagree. For instance, I understand why some denominations 
  baptize infants. That does not mean that I agree with them.rather it 
  just means I can understand their rationale for doing so. 
   As I see it, some people read something related to 
  LDS theology and then assume it means something entirely different than what 
  LDS people understand it to mean. Usually that is because the person 
  either has an agenda, and reads into the words the meaning that fits that 
  agenda...or, the person takes the words out of context and/or fails to 
  consider related clarifying information ...or, the person fails to 
  consider the source of the information and assumes the information has more 
  relevance than reality dictates.Lance Muir wrote: 
  

Sadly Dave, this is the retort that many/most 
make in the face of disagreement. We're saying 'if you really understood 
then, you'd agree with me/us'.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 19, 2006 17:16
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you 
  do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about 
  it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand 
  it.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
I seem to remember you saying quite the 
opposite!-- 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

That is a different THREAD.

--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everyone on TT is 'an heretick'. One question is 'Can one be 'an
 heretick' yet have their name written in 'The Lamb's book of Life'?

   - Original Message - 
   From: Kevin Deegan 
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Sent: March 20, 2006 07:28
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

   If Elohim is the ONE God why did Jehovah  Michael take part in
 organizing the earth?
   It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct
 characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael . . . Journal of
 Discourses 1:51, 9 April 1852

   Seems like a Trinity of Organizing gods to me. Are they separate
 individuals?
   It is true it is HARD to understand how they are THREE
 mathematically.

   I did not ask how many gods LDS have to do with.
   I asked how many gods?
   Father 
   Son 
   Holy Ghost
   Michael also called Adam

   Father Son Holy Ghost  Father Son  Michael the Organizing
 TRINITY?
   Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days 
 DC 27:11

   Why was Adam The ancient of days (Michael) involved in the
 CREATION of Earth?

   Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but
 you tell me you really have one.

 DAVEH:   I don't know if you read my posts, but fail to
 understand them.  Or Kevinperhaps you don't bother reading them
 at all, but just skim them for the talking points.   Do you not
 recall me saying that I worship only one God?

 Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you
 have one.
 That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.

 DAVEH:   I'm not sure why it is difficult to understand, Kevin. 
 Do you not recall the Paul saying

 [1Cor8:5] For though there be that are called gods, whether in
 heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

 .then Paul goes on to explain.

 [6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all
 things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all
 things, and we by him.

 that to us there is but one God, the Father

 [Jn 4:23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true
 worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
 Father seeketh such to worship him.

 ...and we are to worship the Father

 the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in
 truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

 ...and if there is any question as to the meaning, he goes on
 to say the Father seeketh such to worship him..  The Bible is pretty
 clear on this and makes it very simple to understand.  Once again,
 Kevin...this is what I believe.  If you have a problem understanding
 it, or comprehending itI don't know what else to say.other
 than..Perhaps the Trinity Doctrine has muddled your thinking.

 Kevin Deegan wrote: 
   You are right about that!
   I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but
 you tell me you really have one.
   Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say
 you have one.
   That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.

   Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?

 DAVEH:   You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. 
 However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.

 Kevin Deegan wrote: 
   Do you agree with Lance DH?
   Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
   Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
   I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!

   Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already
 knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he
 does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

 ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough
 Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman
   - Original Message - 
   From: Kevin Deegan 
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

   As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a
 Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

   Is this that difficult to answer?

   Who do you, believe to be God?
   Father
   Son
   Holy Ghost

   Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 DAVEH:  For a guy who knows so much about LDS
 theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell
 me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

 Kevin Deegan wrote: 
   Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?

   Who do you, believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

RIDDLE me that Batman!

--- Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *It's OK to answere the oft-asked first question, DH.*
 
 DAVEH:  ???   What first question?
 
 Lance Muir wrote:
 
  *It's OK to answere the oft-asked first question, DH.* Nobody reads
 TT 
  of any consequence. IMO your's is a genuinely house of cards
 system. 
  Is it not likely, perhaps even necessarily, the case that IFF JS
 were 
  a fraud then the balance of the LDS superstructure collapses?
 
  - Original Message -
  *From:* Dave Hansen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  *Sent:* March 20, 2006 03:10
  *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
 
  *Do YOU know of anyone who has read that new biography on
 Joseph
  Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling*
 
  DAVEH:  I'm not aware of anybody locally who has read it.  I
  belong to Mormon-Library, and several members have it, but as
 yet
  none have posted a personal review.  Several reviews have been
  posted on M-L though, but the reviews were not by the MLers. 
 From
  everything I've heard, it is a good biography of JS.  Several
  MLers are book dealers, and they've said RSR is outselling the
  other JS biographies by a large margin.  FWIWThere must
 have
  been at least a half dozen or more biographies about JS
 published
  this past year.
 
  Lance Muir wrote:
 
  One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave! You'd be so bold as to
 contrast
  man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF your first 'prophet'
  wasn't a prophet then, your whole system/foundation/restored
  version is man-made. 
   
  PS:*Do YOU know of anyone who has read that new biography on
  Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling* - Richard
  Lyman Bushman  
 
  - Original Message -
  *From:* Dave mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  *Sent:* March 19, 2006 11:21
  *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
 
  /*I was wondering how you would answer.*/
 
  DAVEH:   Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. 
 I
  will reciprocate. 
 
  Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I
  believe in the Biblical version of the Godhead where each
  person (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is
  referred to as God.
 
  Kevin Deegan wrote:
 
  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a
 Trinity
  that is exactly why /*I was wondering how you would
 answer.*/
   
  Is this that difficult to answer?
   
  *Who do you, believe to be God?*
  *Father*
  *Son*
  *Holy Ghost*
 
 
  */Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  DAVEH:  For a guy who knows so much about LDS
 theology,
  Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you
  tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and
 Holy
  Ghost?
 
  Kevin Deegan wrote:
 
  Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?
   
  Who do you, believe to be God?
   
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
 


 
 
 
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RE: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily









FYI, Lance thinks everyone who is truly
walking in Gods Kingdom belongs to a fringe sect. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:43
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is
God?







Why would he call himself a Mormon or for
that matter identify with any 'ism in which he





did not believe Lance? I go to a
Reformed Church but I will not join and I do not identify myself





with or tell others that I am
Presbyterian. It is possible not to be affiliated with a sect Lance.





Just as it is possible to understand and
walk in Truth. HELLO?











On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:12:37 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







1. You, Kevin, could tell him what his sect teaches.





2. It is just possible that that which he believes differs
from that which his sect teaches.





3. It is also possible, as it is with anyone, that he might
believe truly for the wrong reasons.





4. It is further possible that he, as it is with anyone,
that he might believe wrongly for the right reasons.











L







From: Kevin
Deegan 











Because you took opportunity again to avoid the question, AGAIN





One God or Three which is it?





Why is that so hard???

Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







DAVEH: ??? Why do you say that, Kevin? Just because I don't
always respond quickly or as often as you do hardly means that I am not willing
to defend that which I believe to be true. Nor am I compelled to
respond to every post aimed at deriding that which I believe.sometimes I'm
quite content letting the poster muddle in his own puddle.

Kevin Deegan wrote: 

I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon faith!

Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



You are right about that!





I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you
tell me you really have one.





Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have
one.
That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.






Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:





Do I know LDS theology as well as you
do?

DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin.
However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.

Kevin Deegan wrote: 



Do you agree with Lance DH?





Do I know LDS theology as well as you
do? 





Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 





I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:







As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows',
you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you
attempting to teach or embarrass him?











ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough
Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman





- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 19, 2006
07:00





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Who is God?











As everyone here alread y knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is
exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 











Is this that difficult to answer?











Who do you,
believe to be God?





Father





Son





Holy Ghost







Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology,
Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe
about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote: 



Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?











Who do you, believe to be God?











Father





Son





Holy Ghost





















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DAVEH: ?!?!?!?! I had to read that about 3 times to even understand
your question, Lance! 

 As I see it, there is a vast difference between understanding
something, and believing it to be true. Let's assume that baptizing
infants is a correct doctrine. If I understand why those denominations
baptize babies, but do not have a witness of the Holy Spirit that it is
true, then I might be inclined to think it is in erroreven if I am
wrong in that belief while at the same time understanding it. 

 The flip side of that is one can have little or no understanding of
the truth of something, yet one know that it is true if the HS has
witnessed that it is true.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  
  DH:IFF that position you claim to
understand is, in reality, true THEN you don't actually understand it,
do you?
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave
Hansen 
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 20, 2006 10:08
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


We're saying 'if you really
understood then, you'd agree with me/us'.

DAVEH: I don't see it that way at all, Lance. One can understand
something and still disagree. For instance, I understand why some
denominations baptize infants. That does not mean that I agree with
them.rather it just means I can understand their rationale for
doing so. 

 As I see it, some people read something related to LDS theology and
then assume it means something entirely different than what LDS people
understand it to mean. Usually that is because the person either has
an agenda, and reads into the words the meaning that fits that
agenda...or, the person takes the words out of context and/or fails
to consider related clarifying information ...or, the person fails
to consider the source of the information and assumes the information
has more relevance than reality dictates.

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  Sadly Dave, this is the retort
that many/most make in the face of disagreement. We're saying 'if
you really understood then, you'd agree with me/us'.
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Dave

To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 19, 2006 17:16
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?

DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it
is obvious that you don't understand it.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

DAVEH:   Another typo, Kevin?  Were you intending to send a subtle 
message to the Bishop


GRIDDLE me that, Matman!



Kevin Deegan wrote:


RIDDLE me that Batman!

 



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How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?

DAVEH: The same way Jesus said we could be one with them..

[Jn 17:21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and
I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe
that thou hast sent me.
[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they
may be one, even as we are one:
[23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in
one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
them, as thou hast loved me.

[26] And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that
the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

.I reckon when we have the same love for others as the Lord has
for us, we shall become perfect in our purposejust as they are,
Kevin.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  If you do not believe that God is expressesed as a Trinity
  How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?
  
  
  Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I
do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell
me you really have one.

DAVEH: I don't know if you read my posts, but fail to understand
them. Or Kevinperhaps you don't bother reading them at all, but
just skim them for the talking points. Do you not recall me saying
that I worship only one God?

Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say
you have one.
That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.

DAVEH: I'm not sure why it is difficult to understand, Kevin. Do you
not recall the Paul saying

[1Cor8:5] For t hough there be that are called gods, whether in
heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

.then Paul goes on to explain.

[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom
are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are
all things, and we by him.

that to us there is but one God, the Father

[Jn 4:23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him.

...and we are to worship the Father

the true worshippers shall worship the Father in
spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

...and if there is any question as to the meaning, he
goes on to say the Father seeketh such to worship him..
The Bible is pretty clear on this a nd makes it very simple to
understand. Once again, Kevin...this is what I believe. If you have a
problem understanding it, or comprehending itI don't know what else
to say.other than..Perhaps the Trinity Doctrine has muddled
your thinking.



Kevin Deegan wrote:

  You are right about that!
  I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE
gods but you tell me you really have one.
  Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you
say you have one.
That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too.
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Do
I know LDS theology as well as you do?

DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it
is obvious that you don't understand it.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  


As DH has acknowledged
and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect
as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or emba
rrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend
the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman
- Original Message - 
  From:
  Kevin Deegan 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  
  
  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a
Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to
answer?
  
  Who do you,
believe to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  DAVEH: For a guy who
knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering
this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and
Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Maybe you can help me
out here Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe
to be God

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?





How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?

DAVEH: I forgot to ask, Kevin.Would you please explain it using
the Trinity?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  If you do not believe that God is expressesed as a Trinity
  How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?


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How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?

DAVEH: I forgot to ask, Kevin.Would you please explain it using
the Trinity?

DAVEH: Ohhh.Kevin, I forgot to add.If you don't want to
answer my question, I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon
faith Trinity!

Dave Hansen wrote:

  
  How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?
  
  DAVEH: I forgot to ask, Kevin.Would you please explain it
using
the Trinity?
  
Kevin Deegan wrote:
  
If you do not believe that God is expressesed as a Trinity
How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?
  


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As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God?  Father  Son  Holy Ghost  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father  Son  Holy Ghost  --~~~   Dave Hansen   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.langlitz.com   ~~~   If you wish to receive   things I find interesting,   I maintain six email lists...   JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,   STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already 
knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are 
you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - 
Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  
  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
  exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to answer?
  
  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  DAVEH: 
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me 
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son 
and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
  H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be 
God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
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Do you agree with Lance DH?  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?   Or is Lance putting words in your mouth?   I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God?  Father  Son  Holy Ghost  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father  Son 
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The vaunted Larry King once said that he asked no
question of those being interviewed to which he already knew their answer. Based
on your thoroughgoing knowledge of LDS theology and, to a lesser extent, Kevin
himself, I'd say that this is not a practice to which you subscribe.
Hm?

- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 19, 2006 07:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is
God?

Do you agree with Lance DH?
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?
Or is Lance putting words in your mouth?
I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here
already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he
does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph
Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman

- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is
God?

As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is
exactly why I was wondering how you would answer.

Is this that difficult to
answer?

Who do you, believe to be
God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote:

Maybe you can help me out here Dave
H?

Who do you, believe to be
God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

What is so difficult about a simple question? Are you attempting to imply that his religion is secretive?What do you mean EMARASS him are you Embarassed by your understanding of his theology?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father Son Holy Ghost --~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

Nuff said. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 19, 2006 08:47
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?

  What is so difficult about a simple question?
  Are you attempting to imply that his religion is secretive?

  What do you mean EMARASS him are you Embarassed by your understanding of 
  his theology?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here 
already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he 
does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph 
Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
  God?

  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
  exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

  Is this that difficult to 
  answer?

  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  DAVEH: 
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me 
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, 
Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
  H?

  Who do you, believe to be 
  God?

  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost

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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave





I was wondering how you would answer.

DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. I will
reciprocate. 

 Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in
the Biblical version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and
Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred to as God.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that
is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to answer?
  
  Who do you, believe to be God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Maybe you can help me out here
Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
   
  


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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?




One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave! You'd be so bold as 
to contrast man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF your first 'prophet' wasn't a 
prophet then, your whole system/foundation/restored version is 
man-made.

PS:Do YOU know of anyone who has read that new 
biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling - Richard Lyman 
Bushman

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 19, 2006 11:21
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is 
God?
  I was wondering how you would 
  answer.DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct 
  answer, Kevin. I will reciprocate.  
  Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in the Biblical 
  version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) of the 
  Godhead is referred to as God.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is 
exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to 
answer?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
DAVEH: 
  For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me 
  answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, 
  Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
Maybe you can help me out here Dave 
H?

Who do you, believe to be 
God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost

  -- 
 ~~~
 Dave Hansen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.langlitz.com
 ~~~
 If you wish to receive
 things I find interesting,
 I maintain six email lists...
 JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
 STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

Thanks DH  Since Jesus is called the FULLNESS of the Godhead Bodily how does that fit into your theology?I read your reply. I am not trying to mock here but...You say the Trinity is confusing?  You left the question unanswered in my mind.  Is there one God or Three?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I was wondering how you would answer.DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. I will reciprocate.  Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in the Biblical version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred to as God.Kevin Deegan wrote: As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God?  Father  Son  Holy Ghost  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't
 you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?Father  Son  Holy Ghost--~~~   Dave Hansen   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.langlitz.com   ~~~   If you wish to receive   things I find interesting,   I maintain six email lists...   JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,   STUFF,
 MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave





Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?

DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it
is obvious that you don't understand it.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Do you agree with Lance DH?
  Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? 
  Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? 
  I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


As DH has acknowledged and,
'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as
well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass
him?

ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book
'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman

  -
Original Message - 
  From:
  Kevin Deegan 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
March 19, 2006 07:00
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?
  
  
  As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity
that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 
  
  Is this that difficult to answer?
  
  Who do you, believe to be
God?
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
  
  
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?

Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Maybe you can help me out
here Dave H?
  
  Who do you, believe to be God?
  
  Father
  Son
  Holy Ghost
   
  

  


-- 
 ~~~
 Dave Hansen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.langlitz.com
 ~~~
 If you wish to receive
 things I find interesting,
 I maintain six email lists...
 JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
 STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave





I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith -
Rough Stone Rolling

DAVEH: Have you read it, Lance?

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  As DH has acknowledged and,
'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as
well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass
him?
  
  ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the
book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Kevin Deegan 
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 19, 2006 07:00
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?


As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity
that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. 

Is this that difficult to answer?

Who do you, believe to be
God?
Father
Son
Holy Ghost


Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
DAVEH:
For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me
answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost?
  
Kevin Deegan wrote:
  
Maybe you can help me out here
Dave H?

Who do you, believe to be God?

Father
Son
Holy Ghost
 

  


-- 
 ~~~
 Dave Hansen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.langlitz.com
 ~~~
 If you wish to receive
 things I find interesting,
 I maintain six email lists...
 JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
 STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know LDS theology as well as you do?DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it.Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS theology, Kevinrather than me answering this, why don't you tell me how you believe about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you can help me out here Dave H?Who do you, believe to be God?
Father Son Holy Ghost--~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?