On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:56:17PM -0600, Ben Scarborough wrote:
On Feb 16, 2013 02:13, Andries Brouwer wrote:
The fragment of text I showed
was not from dialectology, but just from a novel written in Elfdalian.
The symbols are meant to be those of ordinary orthography.
Does that mean
On 2/15/2013 11:59 PM, Andries Brouwer wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:56:17PM -0600, Ben Scarborough wrote:
On Feb 16, 2013 02:13, Andries Brouwer wrote:
The fragment of text I showed
was not from dialectology, but just from a novel written in Elfdalian.
The symbols are meant to be those of
That would make it analogous in a way to German ß.
The minute things show up in real orthographies the pressure to handle
ALL CAPS exists.
The question then is whether you'll find SJ or overlaid S/J. Or
how a Swede would instinctively handle this, in the absence of an
example of a
2013-02-16 11:38, Stephan Stiller wrote:
(By the way, for those finding the German rule to write SS
unsatisfactory: It's hard to come by an actual minimal pair.
Example: Strauss vs. Strauß. Originally the same name, but two spellings
make them two names that may need to be distinguished from
[...] an actual minimal pair.
Example: Strauss vs. Strauß. Originally the same name, but two
spellings make them two names that may need to be distinguished from
each other.
True for Wei{ß/ss} as well. Or a non-name example: Buße (repentance)
vs Busse (buses). But then, non-name examples
Hello,
Am 16.02.2013 11:48, schrieb Stephan Stiller:
Or a non-name example: Buße (repentance)
vs Busse (buses). But then, non-name examples are far less likely to
remain ambiguous in context.
Years ago, I have seen with my own eyes, in a Swiss magazine
(where they consistently replace “ß”
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:22:08AM -0800, Asmus Freytag wrote:
On 2/15/2013 11:59 PM, Andries Brouwer wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:56:17PM -0600, Ben Scarborough wrote:
Does that mean there's also a capital S-J?
Probably, in entirely capitalized text. At sentence start I see
Or a non-name example: Buße (repentance)
vs Busse (buses). But then, non-name examples are far less likely to
remain ambiguous in context.
A reason why Jukka's original example – like most proper name examples –
was better than mine is that it's truly minimal in that context will
really not
On 2/16/2013 1:38 AM, Stephan Stiller wrote:
That would make it analogous in a way to German ß.
The minute things show up in real orthographies the pressure to
handle ALL CAPS exists.
The question then is whether you'll find SJ or overlaid S/J. Or
how a Swede would instinctively handle
On 2/16/2013 7:04 AM, Andries Brouwer wrote:
[BTW Is the fact that o-slash is not decomposed not entirely
analogous to the fact that i is not decomposed? I would say
that neither gives an indication of how symbols involving
a combining dot or combining slash are handled in general.]
Why don't
On 2/16/2013 7:04 AM, Andries Brouwer wrote:
I found Diauni.ttf at
http://www.thesauruslex.com/typo/dialekt.htm (swedish)
http://www.thesauruslex.com/typo/engdial.htm (english)
It has landmålsalfabetet at E100-E197 (lower case only)
and s-j at E19F, S-J at E1A5, with Y-ogonek, Å-ogonek,
It's hard to come by an actual minimal pair.
MASSE - mass or measurements? See, not hard at all.
[and]
With the new orthography, ss vs. ß affects the pronunciation of
the preceding vowel. It's irritating to see SS because you have to
override that rule when you know that the word in
the issue is a bit different, as not focused on one letter
While we're splitting hairs: Word- or larger-level all-caps /does/
normally make a one-letter difference. When we undo all-caps, one can
/normally/ lowercase everything of the word except the first letter. The
capitalization bit of
On 2/16/2013 10:48 AM, Stephan Stiller wrote:
the issue is a bit different, as not focused on one letter
While we're splitting hairs: Word- or larger-level all-caps /does/
normally make a one-letter difference. When we undo all-caps, one can
/normally/ lowercase everything of the word except
2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com:
Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-)
This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some
conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads (cities are extremely
rarely written in lowercase, as this is
On 2013-02-16, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com:
Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-)
This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some
conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads
On 2/16/2013 10:48 AM, Stephan Stiller wrote:
the issue is a bit different, as not focused on one letter
While we're splitting hairs: Word- or larger-level all-caps /does/
normally make a one-letter difference. When we undo all-caps, one can
/normally/ lowercase everything of the word except
Another solution is also used: Capitals written as Big capitals, and
lowercase written as small capitals (i.e. just a minor font size
reduction).
True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on
roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to
look at
On 2/16/2013 12:06 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com:
Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-)
This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some
conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads (cities are
from earlier:
Otto Scholz
Oops, sorry. Otto Stolz.
And usually not totally sense-destroying to a human reader with
context available. But these fallbacks allow clear misspelled words
to appear, not just miscapitalized ones. That's huge.
I'm all for a capital version of ß and other such
On 2/16/2013 9:55 PM, Stephan Stiller wrote:
from earlier:
Otto Scholz
Oops, sorry. Otto Stolz.
And usually not totally sense-destroying to a human reader with
context available. But these fallbacks allow clear misspelled words
to appear, not just miscapitalized ones. That's huge.
I'm all
On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on
roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to
look at them for one more second, he does not look at the road.
AS I SAID, empirical evaluation
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