, and is used to mark tone in some Asian languages.
U+0301 combining acute accent
This is the one that you can use productively as a nonspacing
combining diacritic over a, p, x, or letters in other scripts.
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for the support of smaller
communities.
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, for Marion to imply otherwise,
particularly as the E continues standardization efforts
undiminished.
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wonder how many characters I actually helped encode so far? It must
be approaching four and a half thousand.
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at the Dublin Unicode conference,
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/a16-pipeline.pdf
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are not gaining any allies by harping on this point.
I would be grateful if you would cease making these revisionist
complaints on this list.
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experts are present), and of course at others like SC2 I am the
NSAI-nominated representative for Ireland.
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, or what the main
elements driving/preventing WG 2 progess on that may be.
The main element driving the addition of characters and scripts to
the standard is ME. :-)
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, for looking at Oirat at some stage.
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is an official language
of Hawaii, after all.
Giving it a 2-letter code would break the agreement made about RFC3066.
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At 18:27 +0100 2002-07-30, Martin Kochanski wrote:
In writing a manual, I want to show examples of what a display looks
like when a font doesn't have a particular character.
What Unicode character would best represent the missing character symbol?
Apple's Last Resort font. :-)
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of the Last Resort font.
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superscripts and subscripts used in phonetic
transcriptions are actual letters needed in plain text.
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the rules. Probably we wouldn't violate
a script boundary, but there's nothing sacred for instance about that
first space in the Canadian Syllabics block. I'll be delighted to use
it if necessary.
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If anyone wants to represent fontless characters and uses anything
other than a kind of Last Resort font they are being very silly in my
view. OmniWeb and TextEdit handle these elegantly and helpfully.
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a character, in the fore-
seeable future.
Please do not promote an assignation to U+03A2 just do make a point :-)
Do not tempt us. Oh, do not tempt us. If ever GREEK CAPITAL LUNATE
SIGMA needed a place to hang its curvy hat, it is surely U+03A2.
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? That if I have a text all nice and marked up
with furigana in Quark I can't export it to Word and reimport it in
InDesign and expect my nice marked up text to still be marked up?
Surely all Unicode/10646 characters are expected to be preserved in
interchange. What have I got wrong, Ken?
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At 21:34 -0700 2002-08-09, Doug Ewell wrote:
(I just love that name, don't you? I could say it all day, if only I
knew how. !Xóõ !Xóõ !Xóõ.)
Just like it's spelled, of course.
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.
It might be on my site. I had one once. I don't remember. I haven't
updated it in a while though.
In Odense doing some more Blissymbols.
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has
suggested it, and it would be very silly given the variation in
spelling of these names anyway.
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? That if I have a text all nice and marked up
with furigana in Quark I can't export it to Word and reimport it in
InDesign and expect my nice marked up text to still be marked up?
Surely all Unicode/10646 characters are expected to be preserved in
interchange. What have I got wrong, Ken?
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used in the Thaana proposal,
while it differs from the style of the Pakistani proposal, is in fact
the three words in question.
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At 19:59 +0900 2002-08-08, Dan Kogai wrote:
On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 04:17 , Michael Everson wrote:
Where do I start looking for information about implementing
furigana? Can you have more than one gloss attached to a word? We
are considering implementing this for Blissymbols.
What do
but it was rejected because it had a
decomposition.
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At 08:50 -0700 2002-08-09, Doug Ewell wrote:
In the Hebrew tradition, the name of God
(Yahweh) is written specially to avoid the appearance of blasphemy.
Mark Shoulson and Michael Everson co-wrote a draft proposal in 1998 to
encode the Tetragrammaton in Unicode:
http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2
to add it to the standard. One suspects
that it will be used rather more than the other word-ligatures
encoded already.
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to use them?
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other languages to understand what is being said.
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annotations).
Well then they oughtn't to have been encoded.
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At 16:35 -0700 2002-08-13, Murray Sargent wrote:
Michael Everson said Well then they [interlinear annotation characters]
oughtn't to have been encoded.
Michael, you aren't an implementer.
I'm not the kind of implementor you are. I do implement things. :-)
When you implement things
in the Unicode Standard as for
Microsoft's use only?
Or is it to be for the use of anyone except Microsoft who does
something else?
Or what!?
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doesn't
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appropriate font technology to achieve your aims.
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this beastly thing.
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with Glagolitic script?
It's on our list. We'll get to it when we can. I will probably be
able to speak to some people about it in Sofija at the end of
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At 12:07 -0700 2002-08-14, James Kass wrote:
Michael Everson wrote in response to William Overington,
I suggest you stop calling it the golden ligatures collection. This
term imputes a status and nobility to it which it simply doesn't
have. Indeed, I suggest that you abandon this task
SomaliNet has a web page about the Osmanya script at
http://somalinet.com/library/osmaniya/ which includes an interview
with me about the encoding of the script in Unicode. The photo was
taken by Arnold Winkler when we were in Tromsø for the SC22/WG20
meeting in June. :-)
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I am developing OS X keyboard layouts
with support for Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, and Cornish.
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to relevant documentation, please?
We kept like with like in the Roadmap. Nobody rebuked us.
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The Times Atlas of the World uses t-cedilla, d-cedilla, and h-cedilla
in transcriptions of Yemen placenames.
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At 10:58 -0400 2002-08-16, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
The Times Atlas of the World uses t-cedilla, d-cedilla, and h-cedilla
in transcriptions of Yemen placenames.
But is it correct? The National Geographic map on my wall uses s-cedilla
in Romanian place names, and that's
or final glotal stop (e.g. a
drin' a wa'er for a drink of water in Cockney English). In this
usage it is surely acting as a letter, not a punctuation mark.
It is acting, as it did in its origins, as a graphic symbol showing
the omission of an letter.
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. The former is used as a
letter; the latter is used as a mark of punctuation.
You knew that.
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At 13:58 -0400 2002-08-20, James E. Agenbroad wrote:
There is also fo'c'sle, the abridged version of forecastle. :-)
There are no glottal stops there.
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the 18th century, but
it is certainly indicative of the use of apostrophe as a mark of
elision.
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, uses of the apostrophe are found in Dutch,
if memory serves, in place and personal names.
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it was pronounced.
True. But lo! you have inadvertently misspelled it! It isn't fo'c'sle
-- it's fo'c's'le! (New Oxford, 2001). It's pronounced ['fouksel].
Wow.
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priority for the development team. Editing the hard
way is what I'm doing anyway. :-)
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that, it would be nice if the major OSes had better
support for Latin than they do. :-)
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of those were back when I was making individual 8-bit fonts
for each of the tables in Unicode. It wasn't possible to do better.
Now it's possible to do better
I do not know whether my fonts will work on Windows, but a new Mac OS
version will be up shortly.
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-known Open Source license like the General Public
License (GPL, http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html) or a BSD-style
license.
And who pays the poor font designer for his work?
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or kudos, maybe?
Kudos do not pay the rent. And altruism can run out when the rent
needs to be paid ;-)
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people think that fonts are worth paying for that
people who really OUGHT to be earning their living by making fonts
have to do other things. There's something really wrong with that
model. Isn't there?
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Michka is right. The free font vs commercial font argument comes
from the TYPO-L list, and probably isn't appropriate to this forum.
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. But it differs for different people. I would think that
all font makers ought to include i-ogonek-acute (used in Navajo) but
one would not expect the baroque panoply of Uralic Phonetic Alphabet
combinations to be generally supported by generic fonts.
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these are vowels..
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. ;-)
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relationships. Hmmm --
[fju:] doesn't correspond one-to-one with f-e-w, does it?
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be to encoded characters comparable to U+0361. A combining
double breve has already been approved for version 4.0. I intend to propose
(unless someone gets around to it before me) a combining double inverted
breve below.
Double INVERTED breve below?
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Hungarian Runic is in the Roadmap.
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is for their language.
I'm sure you're all as pleased as I am about this ;-)
Best regards from thundery Sofia,
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is not necessarily foregone.
We are going to ask the Gagauzi.
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in Chishinau in Moldova. It specifies a
Latin orthography for Gagauz.
The sample text showing (Latin) c-cedilla, s-hybrid, and
t-comma-below was published in Chishinau in 2000.
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solution.
I don't see why you wouldn't just let the accent positioning
properties sort this out. In general if you are stacking accents the
higher ones appear above and centred over the lower ones.
Do they not?
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the OS just accept what's in the font?
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At 14:18 -0400 2002-09-30, John Cowan wrote:
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin scripsit:
P.S.: And why is the english name cedilla, an unequivocably spanish
word, when there's no cedillas in Spanish?
Catalan orthography preceded Spanish orthography as I recall.
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At 09:56 +0200 2002-09-30, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
Of course. AFAIK, Zu Beispiel means e.g., for example.
Recte Zum Beispiel.
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Note
#4 http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn4 for information about how you
(all) can help. And it's tax deductible.
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It has been pointed out to me that I ought to point people at the SEI
initiative page at Berkeley:
http://www.linguistics.berkeley.edu/~dwanders/
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Telephone
Polish text this way but there are certainly
limitations. You can't use a keyboard layout to enter text anyway.
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.
tildado 'with an accent; with a tilde (ñ)'
tildar 'to put an accent on (poner acento); to put a tilde on (la n)'
tilde 'tilde (sobre la n); accent (acento); fault, flaw, blemish
(tacha); iota, dot, tittle (cosa ingifnificante); fig. poner tilde a
= to criticize'e
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And was it anything like an open 8?
Yes. I've seen it in modern graffitti in Athens too.
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resolved in InDesign 2.0, so the support for
Unicode text input has been improved in this version.
InDesign 2.0 for OS X does not allow Unicode text input via the
Unicode keyboards, alas. It allows WorldScript input, but Devanagari
shaping is disabled, alas.
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Don't forget the ever-popular Frank's Compulsive Guide to Postal
Addresses: http://www.kermit-project.org/postal.html
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Insert Glyphs... but it does work.
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in the
same way that TM is, and indeed the abbreviation seems a bit doubtful
to me. (Marca Registrada is usually used for 'registered (trade)ark'
while trademark proper is 'marca de fábrica'.) For Registered
Trademark you can use the circled R.
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At 09:17 -0700 2002-10-11, Mark Davis wrote:
Ôªø
BTW, I also posted an HTML Unicode allocation chart. This
graphically shows the size of every Unicode block, and the
proportion of assigned code points in each one.
The Roadmaps do something similar.
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At 09:15 -0700 2002-10-11, Mark Davis wrote:
There are several others where the uppercase equivalent of a character is
decomposed. See http://www.macchiato.com/unicode/composition_chart.html
Well trying to load that page totally hangs my machine
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At 11:26 -0700 2002-10-13, Tom Gewecke wrote:
The latest Mac OS X upgrade has fonts that include the classic
Mongolian/Manchu range, 1800-18AF
Where?
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character and now you get: STFangsong,
STHeiti, STKaiti STSong for Mongolian!!!
Apple's Character Palette will not load on my machine, a bug which I
have been filing for a good while now.
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At 06:49 -0700 2002-10-14, Peter Lofting wrote:
At 1:35 PM +0100 10/14/02, Michael Everson wrote:
Apple's Character Palette will not load on my machine, a bug which I
have been filing for a good while now.
Works on my iBook. What machine have you got?
Did you get a copy of 10.2 from Cork
with the other squared
Latin abbreviations.
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At 12:52 -0700 2002-10-14, Peter Lofting wrote:
At 4:33 PM +0100 10/14/02, Michael Everson wrote:
No, I get seeded 'cause I send in so many bugs. :-)
Good ! So you got the OSX 10.2 developer seed disks
Naaah I have to download them from Apple with a 56K modem with
metered access
At 15:03 -0600 2002-10-14, Sean M. Burke wrote:
Gentlemen, begin your mocking:
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/commcentre/wsd/2002wsdindex.html
Good gracious me.
Each year on 14 October, the members of ISO, the IEC and ITU
celebrate World Standards Day, which is a means of paying tribute to
the
.
Also I had to delete the .plist again. No idea why. Time to file
another bug I think.
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, not in this working group or over these documents.
john
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Subject: Obsessive typography in Building Accessible Websites
We used every ligature you can name
wouldn't a ligature for http://; be nice and handy.
:^)
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[92-A20] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Work with Michael Everson to
ensure there is an initial proposal for Egyptian Hieroglyphics ready
for the November meeting. It should contain the Gardiner set and all
letters of support. [L2/02-281, 288, 290, 295]
Again, the Gardiner set is a superset
, it works for display of English but not for German.
The British convention for using the long-s can be handled
contextually, because it does not need to consider whether the
letter is occuring at the beginning or end of a syllable.
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. Of course GHA
and WYNN and HWAIR are of greater concern to me
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pretty horrible. Why don't they just use the letter schwa? :-)
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*Illuvatar* (for example) would be
written thus in Sarati:
We haven't roadmapped Sarati yet, by the way.
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this is a reverse truncation of retail. Ugh.
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At 22:54 +0330 2002-10-11, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Michael Everson wrote:
Well trying to load that page totally hangs my machine
Then blame it first on your browser, then on your OS, and finally on
yourself for choosing those, or worse, not updating them regularly
it should have been tagged en-US.)
EUR 0.02 is pretty much the same as USD 0.02, so you're OK.
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Unicode, because Unicode's only for standard
book fonts
Hm, what if I want to make, say, snow capped Devanagari glyphs for my
hiking company in Nepal? Shouldn't I assign them to Unicode code points?
That's what Private Use code positions are for.
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with moon phases in them.
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At 14:30 -0800 2002-10-28, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
Hm, what if I want to make, say, snow capped Devanagari glyphs for my
hiking company in Nepal? Shouldn't I assign them to Unicode code points?
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