On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
HEAT FLOW THROUGH THE NICKEL CONTAINING STAINLESS STEEL COMPARTMENT
If the stainless steel compartment has a surface area of
approximately S = 180 cm^2, as approximated above, and 4.39 kW heat
flow through it occurred, as specified in the
On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
[snip]
I have snipped material, some of which I disagree with, but seems not
worth debating at this late date.
This is very good observation. If your calculations are correct, then
it should be very good evidence for inconsistencies.
Jed Rothwell wrote: » In the first test, Galantini used a Delta Ohm
monitor to measure the relative humidity of the steam. This is a model
HD37AB1347 IAQ with a high temperature HP474AC SICRAM sensor. See:
http://www.deltaohm.com/ver2010/uk/st_airQ.php?str=HD37AB1347
The brochure and the
Jed Rothwell wrote: » In the first test, Galantini used a Delta Ohm
monitor to measure the relative humidity of the steam. This is a model
HD37AB1347 IAQ with a high temperature HP474AC SICRAM sensor. See:
http://www.deltaohm.com/ver2010/uk/st_airQ.php?str=HD37AB1347
The brochure and the
Congrats! You are doing some good work.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Travel report by Hanno Essén and Sven Kullander,
3 April 2011
On Sep 21, 2011, at
- Original Nachricht
Von: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 22.09.2011 14:32
Betreff: [Vo]:About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
Jed Rothwell wrote: » In the first test, Galantini used a Delta Ohm
monitor to measure the relative
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Now what happens, when an inventor without deep knowledge and experience
constructs a steam device, makes it unaccessible and then lets unexperienced
scientist measure the steam?
Most scientists expect that devices that they use are properly constructed and
work
- Original Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 22.09.2011 15:53
Betreff: Re: Aw: [Vo]:About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Now what happens, when an inventor without deep knowledge
Peter, in order to measure the enthalpy you need to know the mass flow of
steam. This is not known therefore humidity sensor gives only the amount of
liquid water in suspension with steam. That was measured 1.2% and thus steam
quality was 98.8%.
Problem is that critics such as Mattia Rizzi and
It’s the manufacter that say the readings are useless, not me.
If you don’t trust the manufacter, then provide a single reference from the
literature that say that it’s possibile to measure the entalphy/steam
quality/ecc from a RH reading. I challenge you. Nobody do it. ISO standard is
to
Not “ISO standard”, but common standard.
From: Mattia Rizzi
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
It’s the manufacter that say the readings are useless, not me.
If you don’t trust the manufacter,
On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Now what happens, when an inventor without deep knowledge and
experience constructs a steam device, makes it unaccessible and
then lets unexperienced scientist measure the steam?
Most scientists expect that
On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:24 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
- Original Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 22.09.2011 15:53
Betreff: Re: Aw: [Vo]:About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If this whole thing is a scam, AND the below info is true, then this just
doesn't make sense...
Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch - Only several days
ago, Andrea Rossi stated on his blog that he had big financial problems. Now
he has revealed that these problems are resolved.
Wait a minute.
2011/9/22 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
If this whole thing is a scam, AND the below info is true, then this just
doesn't make sense...
Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch - Only several days
ago, Andrea Rossi stated on his blog that he had big
On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
[snip]
I have snipped material, some of which I disagree with, but seems
not worth debating at this late date.
This is very good observation. If your calculations are correct, then
it
Inside this artcle we have many info
(http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3123849.ece):
“I am assuming all the risks. No one is risking any money except me,” said the
Italian engineer Andrea Rossi
“I get paid (by Defkalion) only when the installation is delivered and if it
I thought he had the technology and a new US partner had the money.
I thought he was onto $200 million a short while ago.
How can you build a factory when you have no money for a demo?
Frank Znidarisc
-Original Message-
From: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
3) The money from Defkalion within May.
2011/9/22 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
Inside this artcle we have many info (
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3123849.ece):
“*I am assuming all the risks*. No one is risking any money except me,”
said the Italian
Am 22.09.2011 17:44, schrieb Mattia Rizzi:
Wait a minute.
2011/9/22 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
mailto:zeropo...@charter.net
If this whole thing is a scam, AND the below info is true, then
this just
doesn't make sense...
Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold
Mattia, you can also measure the steam quality by measuring the speed of
sound in steam. This is correlated with amount of liquid water droplets in
steam suspension. Therefore you do not need to condense steam in order to
find it's quality.
In close to room pressure it is really not necessary to
We'are talking about galantini did the measuremnts, it's an RH measurement.
2011/9/22 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
Mattia, you can also measure the steam quality by measuring the speed of
sound in steam. This is correlated with amount of liquid water droplets in
steam suspension.
From Mark:
If this whole thing is a scam, AND the below info is true, then this just
doesn't make sense...
Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch - Only several days
ago, Andrea Rossi stated on his blog that he had big financial problems. Now
he has revealed that these
Inside this artcle we have many info ([link suppressed, it's a link to an
interview of Rossi done by Lewan at march]):
“*I am assuming all the risks*. No one is risking any money except me,”
said the Italian engineer Andrea Rossi
“I get paid (by Defkalion) only when the installation is delivered
Am 22.09.2011 18:10, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
To continue speculating that Rossi is a scam artist is absurd.
Unfortunately it is not absurd, because nobody knows which of all these
absurd reports are true.
If he gets paid for the 1 MW plant soon then he does not need to sell
his
Who knows enough about sound velocity in various quality steam?
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
Mattia, you can also measure the
Somebody read it? It seems blocked by an antispam...
2011/9/22 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
Inside this artcle we have many info ([link suppressed, it's a link to
an interview of Rossi done by Lewan at march]):
“I am assuming all the risks. No one is risking any money except
I've already read 3 posts from you with the same message above...
Ok sorry
2011/9/22 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
I've already read 3 posts from you with the same message above...
More info:
Heading: Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch
http://pesn.com/2011/09/21/9501918_Rossis_Home_Sacrificed_For_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat_Launch/
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
This is a nice story of a dedicated inventor making large sacrifices in
the zealous pursuit of his vision, but is there really any reason to
believe it?
Rossi has not exactly been a pinnacle of truth in the past.
Absent more information I'd tend to lump it in with the tale of the
factory
From Stephen,
This is a nice story of a dedicated inventor making large sacrifices in the
zealous pursuit of his vision, but is there really any reason to believe it?
Rossi has not exactly been a pinnacle of truth in the past.
Absent more information I'd tend to lump it in with the tale of
Am 22.09.2011 19:32, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
From Peter Heckert
Unfortunately it is not absurd, because nobody knows which of
all these absurd reports are true.
It's not clear to me what the specific point it is you're trying to
make.
There is no specific point. Anything that
From Peter:
There is no specific point. Anything that is reported about Rossi and his
e-cat is absurd and nobody is able to know what is true and what not.
Rossi is mercurial.
It's not always wise to shoot the messenger.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Am 22.09.2011 20:45, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
From Peter:
There is no specific point. Anything that is reported about Rossi and his
e-cat is absurd and nobody is able to know what is true and what not.
Rossi is mercurial.
It's not always wise to shoot the messenger.
There
At 12:18 PM 9/22/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Fit a transparent silicone rubber hose to this steam outlet, so we
can see the water overflow and remove all doubts.
He sort-of did this for Lewan's September demo. The white section
at the outlet has a transparent T-connection. (Video 4:22).
On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
Congrats! You are doing some good work.
Thanks Joe!
- Original Message - From: Horace Heffner
hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Travel report by
Am 22.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Alan J Fletcher:
At 12:18 PM 9/22/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Fit a transparent silicone rubber hose to this steam outlet, so we
can see the water overflow and remove all doubts.
He sort-of did this for Lewan's September demo. The white section at
the outlet has
So does anyone have some realtor connections to see how much his Florida home
was actually sold for? Or how long it was on the market?
Fran
On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 12:18 PM 9/22/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Fit a transparent silicone rubber hose to this steam outlet, so we
can see the water overflow and remove all doubts.
He sort-of did this for Lewan's September demo. The white section
at the
At 02:26 PM 9/22/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
Lewan couldn't use it?
I can't find his statement that he measured the outflow through the
T-trap. I don't THINK I imagined it
At 02:45 PM 9/22/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/22/scitech/main20110236.shtml
Now that the Higgs doesn't exist they're free to do whatever they want.
CERN: Higgs boson 'God particle' likely does not exist
Very cool -- thank you, Steven!
If nothing else, this shoots down the old canard (often claimed by those
trying to argue that SR is just a big conspiracy) that any scientist who
actually measured a particle going faster than light would suppress the
result to avoid going against the
Some other science news of interest...
Slow neutrons are dense
http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.107.134801
And this one involving Rydberg states...
Excited atoms spin out of equilibrium
http://physics.aps.org/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevA.84.031402.pdf
What makes the setting
Horace Heffner wrote:
Some questions for you and other self-appointed experts here:
This remark seems to have some emotional content.
Darn right it does. I am annoyed.
DO you know of any requirement for anyone here on vortex-l to be an
expert to comment?
Not to comment. I have no
One good thing with special and general relativity is that if there is even
one observation that violates the speed of light barrier, everything about
the theory of relativity collapses instantly and everything must be
discarded due to logical flaw in the axioms of theory. (Perhaps this was the
I can think of 2 options: the particles warp drive or cut through an extra
dimension. But, just like the Pioneer anomaly, maybe it has a simple
explanation. In the case of the Pioneer anomaly, it was recently discovered
magnetic tapes with more data about the coordinates of one of the 4 probes
Actually, I exaggerated with this message. This observation may not falsify
relativity, but it just means that photons do not travel through aether at
maximum possible speed. Similarily when we can observe electrons traveling
faster than light in the water and thus emitting Cherenkov radiation (i
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If nothing else, this shoots down the old canard (often claimed by
those trying to argue that SR is just a big conspiracy) that any
scientist who actually measured a particle going faster than light
would suppress the result to avoid going against the establishment.
Note, Faster in ATMOSPHERE than light travels in ATMOSPHERE. not faster than C.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/22/scitech/main20110236.shtml
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
On 11-09-22 06:32 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
Note, Faster in ATMOSPHERE than light travels in ATMOSPHERE. not faster than C.
Say what?? But that would be, like, totally ordinary -- electrons do it
all the time. That's where Cherenkov radiation comes from.
It's also *not* what the
Keith Owens is to present my latest paper at the World Green Energy Symposium
what is being held in October 19-21 in Philadelphia. Go if you can.
'Science in Society' magazine out of London is doing a story on me in their
winter addition. Get a copy,
Frank Z
My understanding of that postulate of relativity was nothing with mass
could attain or exceed C. Because, as the speed of the object approaches C,
inertial mass approaches infinity, attaining infinity when v=C, and infinite
mass is assumed to be impossible. Is the neutrino's extremely small
On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 02:26 PM 9/22/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
Lewan couldn't use it?
I can't find his statement that he measured the outflow through the
T-trap. I don't THINK I imagined it
I don't see how it is possible to get reasonable
Where the heck did you read the word atmosphere??? The reporter really
screwed that story up...
...which provided the particle accelerator that sent neutrinos on their
breakneck 454-mile trip UNDERGROUND from Geneva to Italy.
Underground, not thru the air!
-mark
-Original Message-
Horace,
I think Lewan's thinking is the following:
- the system is more or less at steady-state
- the flow into the T-tube (let's call it 'outlet_overflow') was (more or
less) constant,
- the liquid water coming out the end of the HOSE was then:
Outlet_overflow + condensation_in_the_hose
Paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897
There can be no flow into the T-tube during normal operation. Even
if the T-tube is emptied, it obviously fills in seconds. In the
normal running it has no effect. The video showed it sitting there
filled. The overflow water simply flows over the top of the T-tube
and into the hose.
It is like an electric or gasoline vehicle accelerating without consuming more
electricity or gasoline. The kinetic energy of the vehicle is increasing
without increasing input energy. Now you could say this is merely because the
engine was switched to a more energy efficient mode, but in that
On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:35 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Keith Owens is to present my latest paper at the World Green Energy
Symposium what is being held in October 19-21 in Philadelphia. Go
if you can.
'Science in Society' magazine out of London is doing a story on me
in their winter
Now this is, IMHO, one of the most significant science stories all year
Over the decades of reading about scientific results, Ive been building up
a qualitative model of atoms and what makes up an atom
in a physical
sense. For the last decade Ive been saying that **IF** you could build a
http://news.yahoo.com/cern-claims-faster-light-particle-measured-180644818.html
I dont have the good link, but a friend of mine with access to several
journals verified, faster than light IN ATMOSPHERE (which is where
they beamed the neutrinos. through the atmosphere). Its mildly
interesting
On 11-09-22 08:40 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
This is in regard to the 7 Sept. Lewan Test of Energy Catalyzer
report. URL:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29
http://tinyurl.com/3lqn52r
The report says: Calibration peristaltic
Thanks Horace. That's the same impression I got. Keith is shooting for an AS
in Electrical Engineering. He has a way to go. I have been at this a long
time and I am getting tired of it. They are now calling me a crank in
Germany. My friend says its amazing that they even know who you are
On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-09-22 08:40 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
This is in regard to the 7 Sept. Lewan Test of Energy Catalyzer
report. URL:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-
cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29
One group at CERN has built a very novel cloud chamber to study the
nucleation process which is responsible for cloud formation. one of there
discoveries is the following:
CLOUD has already made several important discoveries. First, the experiment
has shown that the most likely nucleating
I've been looking around at the CERN website and cannot find any mention of
the experiment... so far.
Can you friend provide us with the Abstract of the publication where he
claims it specifically says the neutrino beam traveled thru the atmosphere?
The Yahoo.com article from your link says
On 23 Sep 2011, at 02:33, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
According to my model, I would be willing to bet that one would see the
electron move thru the nucleus with every oscillation… but it traverses the
center region much more quickly than when it reaches the outer
I stand corrected.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I've been looking around at the CERN website and cannot find any mention of
the experiment... so far.
Can you friend provide us with the Abstract of the
Horace, T-tube was not there to collect water but it was there just that
Rossi may attach there a hose or larger container to gather overflown water.
_Obviously_ it was not in operation during the NyTeknik demonstration. MW
unit has similar setup, but it is more sophisticated and valve controlled.
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