Why doesn't Mills FINISH JUST ONE PRODUCT AND GET IT TO MARKET!
He's like a little kid who gets 90% done with something and then gets bored
with it and is off to some new and challenging puzzle... never completing
what he starts.
The only other explanation is that he's not able to get his
Gilbert Schmidt is a qualified engineer for making this proposal re the
Rossi devices, which for months he hoped to confirm: Rich Murray 2011.10.11
So, I deemed it helpful to share it with Vortex-L ...
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Gilbert Schmidt gilbe...@rocketmail.comwrote:
**
Many
On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Ed Storms said it was ok for me to post the following analysis he
made:
* * * * * *
A careful examination of the attached graph reveals an interesting
conclusion. The Pout (power out) and the Eout (Energy out)
The hyperlink to graph 3 is mistakenly pointing to graph 2 I think.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Ed Storms said it was ok for me to post the following analysis he made:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
The hyperlink to graph 3 is mistakenly pointing to graph 2 I think.
Right you are. Thanks! Should have been:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2_RF.png
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Horace Heffner
hheff...@mtaonline.net
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Why doesn't Mills FINISH JUST ONE PRODUCT AND GET IT TO MARKET!
He's like a little kid who gets 90% done with something and then gets
bored
with it and is off to some new and challenging puzzle... never
completing
what he starts.
The only other explanation
From Rich:
...
The water and steam heat energy coming out of the black box
device output, is thereby pumped right back into the machine.
This makes it possible to keep the device feeling hot, and
appear to be producing steam for a much longer period.
Also the device water containment is
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:07 -0700, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Why doesn't Mills FINISH JUST ONE PRODUCT AND GET IT TO MARKET!
He's like a little kid who gets 90% done with something and then gets bored
with it and is off to some new and challenging puzzle... never completing
what he starts.
Oh shoot!
I thought you meant Rossi.
Regarding Mills, I wholeheartedly agree. :) It's starting to lead me to
believe that something's not there.
Craig
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:06 -0400, Craig Haynie wrote:
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:07 -0700, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Why doesn't Mills
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Why doesn't Mills FINISH JUST ONE PRODUCT AND GET IT TO MARKET!
AADD
T
Craig Haynie wrote:
Interesting! Is there any indication of what the real time was then?
Was that during heat after death? If it was more than an hour into it,
that video image proves there is anomalous heat. It proves that all by
itself, in the absence of thermocouple readings or any other
Hello Jouni Valkonen,
I think in any group, there are prominent leaders of various sorts,
who often function as gatekeepers, posting messages to alert the
majority of group members that one member is deviant from the majority
of members, and therefore should be ignored -- then any member who
Hi Robert,
If this excess energy over what is required to heat .9g/s of water to 124C
is somehow stored in the eCAT (say, as thermal energy in a fairly well
insulated block of steel) then it would be enough energy to possibly give
the impression of a self sustaining reaction for at least 3 hours.
Colin Hercus wrote:
If this excess energy over what is required to heat .9g/s of water to
124C is somehow stored in the eCAT (say, as thermal energy in a fairly
well insulated block of steel) then it would be enough energy to
possibly give the impression of a self sustaining reaction for at
jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump,
cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was otherwise
internally insulated, then heat WOULD go up after power is removed.
(Just saying, if I were going to fake something, that's what I'd do. )
On Tue, Oct 11,
From Hollins:
jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump,
cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was
otherwise internally insulated, then heat WOULD go up after power
is removed. (Just saying, if I were going to fake something, that's
what I'd do. )
Jed,
Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage.
Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat from escaping. If
you think that this is impossible, I have an experiment for you. Make a
scalding hot 1/2 cup of coffee. Put it into a Thermos. See how long it takes
to
Alexander Hollins wrote:
jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump,
cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was otherwise
internally insulated . . .
Sure. I agree. That would not be passive cooling. However, people have
looked inside Rossi devices
Robert Leguillon wrote:
Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage.
Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat from
escaping. If you think that this is impossible, I have an experiment
for you. Make a scalding hot 1/2 cup of coffee. Put it into a
Thermos. See how
On this website
http://www.planetpay.com/x_reg.php
Rossi is OK with that website, as you can notice here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94587
John M ichell http://www.xecnet.com/
October 10th, 2011 at 3:17
Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how long does the water
continue to boil?
Harry
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Jed,
Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage.
Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat
Do I get a device that generates frequencies?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible
assertions about stored heat
From: hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how
From ecatnews.com
**
John Dlouhy
October 11, 2011 - 3:08 pm | Permalinkhttp://ecatnews.com/?p=1010#comment-5135
Enrico Billi tells us that they weighed the E-Cat before and after, but not
why it mysteriously gained a kilogram of weight. I can offer a plausible
explanation.
On the bottom
How much power does this frequency device need?
Harry
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Do I get a device that generates frequencies?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically
Hello Robert Leguillon,
a pretty good short summary of Horace Heffner's competent, detailed,
much improved critical reviews -- so pragmatic skepticism seems amply
justified...
Thanks, Rich Murray
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Jed,
Hello Daniel Rocha,
Obviously, this scenario has to be discussed fairly and fully, before
excess heat can be proclaimed to be irrefutable...
How can we locate this post on ecatnews.com ?
Thanks, Rich Murray
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
From
I believe that the ecat will lead to successful commercial products and
Rossi will end up rich (even if he loses control and it is only from
notoriety, prizes etc), but if the successors to the ecat are successful
then his greatest notoriety will probably come from being a much used
example for
Find it here:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1010#comments
Although the scenario was discussed, this is the cake recipe, as people
say here, on how to fake one.
2011/10/11 Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
Hello Daniel Rocha,
Obviously, this scenario has to be discussed fairly and fully, before
Here's the link to John Dlouhy's post:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1010#comment-5135
Interesting prior discussions -- here's a selection of a few skeptical comments:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=980
Ny TekNik’s Report
admin on October 7, 2011 — 131 Comments
Ny Teknik’s Report
[Thank you, Renzo]
I am
Am 11.10.2011 16:01, schrieb Colin Hercus:
Hi Robert,
If this excess energy over what is required to heat .9g/s of water to
124C is somehow stored in the eCAT (say, as thermal energy in a fairly
well insulated block of steel) then it would be enough energy to
possibly give the impression of
Both Harry and Robert are missing Jed's point...
In order for their thermos analogy to be a proper analogy, it would have to
say this:
Take a Thermos bottle and insert a thermocouple about 1/3rd of the way into
it.
Pour in boiling water to fill up the thermos to 1/2 way. The steam generated
I am actually surprised that Rich did not comment on this because one of the
clearest marks of scams is the pre order of products not properly
demonstrated...
Hi Jed,
I can design a device where heat in the output goes up after power is turned
off.
A simple analogy would be a steel bar, if apply heat to one end with a torch
and measure the temperature of the other end there will be a temperature
difference along the bar. When I stop applying heat
http://ecatnews.com/?page_id=2
About\
eCatNews is run by me, Paul Story ( Dreamwords http://www.dreamwords.com/ ).
Appalled by the wild misreporting of this (potentially) important
technology, I wanted to write about it in a way that would be
evidentially impartial. To understand why this is
Pump capacity and pump stroke contradict 15 kg / hour. The observers twice
collected the output, and it was .91 g/s during operation, and still under 2
g/s after it was sped up during quenching.
See Robert Lynn's calculations below, with manufacturer and video reference, or
just look at the Ny
At 09:19 AM 10/11/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Rossi wrote: 15kg/h here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
That's 4.17 g/s -- Lewan recorded 0.9 (stable) and 1.9
(cool-down).
I don't think we even know what pump was used (piston? peristaltic) -- it
doesn't
Where did they increase? They never went up in the E-Cat, only remained pretty
darned steady (pegged to boiling point, slowly decreasing).
The only increases were seen in the secondary, and those numbers MUST be wrong,
or entire flow in the primary would have been vaporized, and been massively
Am 11.10.2011 18:37, schrieb Alan J Fletcher:
At 09:19 AM 10/11/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Rossi wrote: 15kg/h here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
That's 4.17 g/s -- Lewan
At 09:37 AM 10/11/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 09:19 AM 10/11/2011, Peter
Heckert wrote:
Rossi wrote: 15kg/h here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
That's 4.17 g/s -- Lewan recorded 0.9 (stable) and 1.9
(cool-down).
I don't think we even know what pump
In the end of demonstration the amount of water was measured from the
primary loop output. It was 0.9 g/s and few moments later it was 1.9 g/s.
This does not correspond well into water inflow rate that was calibrated
before the demo into 13 kg/h or 3.6 g/s. As referring into September test,
we can
Hy Alan, I'm Raymond Zreick, journalist for Focus magazine (Italy). This is
my first message in this mailing list.
@Alan
I don't think we even know what pump was used (piston? peristaltic)
it doesn't show in any of the videos.
peristaltic
It is also in the Lewan's technical report.
I
At 09:51 AM 10/11/2011, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 11.10.2011 18:37, schrieb
Alan J Fletcher:
At 09:19 AM 10/11/2011, Peter
Heckert wrote:
Rossi wrote: 15kg/h here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
That's 4.17 g/s -- Lewan recorded 0.9 (stable) and 1.9
Welcome Raymond!
Your testimony of Rossi's presentation and opinions will be very valuable to
our discussions!
2011/10/11 Raymond Zreick zre...@gmail.com
Hy Alan, I'm Raymond Zreick, journalist for Focus magazine (Italy). This is
my first message in this mailing list.
@Alan
I don't
At 10:13 AM 10/11/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
2011/10/11 Raymond Zreick
zre...@gmail.com
Hy Alan, I'm Raymond Zreick,
journalist for Focus magazine (Italy). This is my first message in this
mailing list.
Welcome to Vortex !
Some of us are still trying to figure out what happened in the
Peristaltic pump NSF Model # CEP183-362N3 Serial # 060550065 Max output 12.0
liters/h Max press 1.50 bar
So it was a maximum of 12 l/hr during cool-down, and if we take Lewan's
numbers as a ratio -- 6 l/hr when stable.
12l/hr gives a maximum transfer rate of 8.8 kW -- close to the peak 7.6
Hy Daniel.
@Daniel Rocha
Your testimony of Rossi's presentation and opinions will be very valuable
to our discussions!
@Alan Fletcher
Some of us are still trying to figure out what happened in the
demonstration. It will be good to have first-hand information.
Yes, but mine are only
At 10:26 AM 10/11/2011, Robert Lynn wrote:
Peristaltic pump NSF Model #
CEP183-362N3 Serial # 060550065 Max output 12.0 liters/h Max press 1.50
bar
So it was a maximum of 12 l/hr during cool-down, and if we take
Lewan's numbers as a ratio -- 6 l/hr when stable.
12l/hr gives a maximum
The data from the September test is great, in this aspect. They did it right.
They were filling the E-Cat from a reservoir, and after it was boiling, they
gave us the net weight of water in the input reservoir at 21:07, then logged
every time water was added, and provided us a final weight.
At 10:59 AM 10/11/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 10:26 AM 10/11/2011, Robert
Lynn wrote:
Peristaltic pump NSF Model #
CEP183-362N3 Serial # 060550065 Max output 12.0 liters/h Max press 1.50
bar
So it was a maximum of 12 l/hr during cool-down, and if we take
Lewan's numbers as a ratio -- 6
I'd say that this Demo has been totaly Rossied. ;)
On 11 October 2011 19:02, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.comwrote:
The data from the September test is great, in this aspect. They did it
right.
They were filling the E-Cat from a reservoir, and after it was boiling,
they gave
I forgot to mention. In the September test, before the pump was hooked up, they
measure 15.8 kg/hr (4.38g/s) consumption. Once connected to the E-Cat, it
dropped to 13.76 kg/hr (3.8g/s), then at boiling, it dropped to 11.08 kg/hr
(3.07g/s). This is just to demonstrate that the pump does not
And you don't know if the water level in the huge reactor reservoir is
rising or falling. And you know that there are big problems with the
secondary loop calorimetry not remotely matching the primary in the one
instance (Mat's walk around video) where we know the primary power. Give
up, Rossi
At 01:37 AM 10/11/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: ..
In the section :
NO HEAT TRANSFER TO HEAT EXCHANGER UNTIL
13:22
19:22: Measured outflow of
primary circuit in heat exchanger, supposedly condensed steam, to be
345 g in 180 seconds, giving a flow of 1.92 g/s. Temperature 23.2
°C.
you're using
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Rossi wrote: 15kg/h here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94236
That's 4.17 g/s -- Lewan recorded 0.9 (stable) and 1.9 (cool-down).
This is why you need
Robert Leguillon wrote:
Where did they increase? They never went up in the E-Cat, only remained pretty
darned steady (pegged to boiling point, slowly decreasing).
The temperature in the eCat cannot go up because it is boiling water at
a little more than 1 atm. It can boil away the water
I am way behind on reading. I hope this is not redundant.
It appears the same pump is being used 6 Oct 2011 as in all the prior
tests. See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3284823.ece
I wonder what the 4 pumps are for? Eventually pumping water into the
heat
Am 11.10.2011 21:12, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I wonder how a pump with a maximum flow rate of 12 liters/hr could
pump 15 liters/hr?
Quite often values given in datasheets are not hard limits.
Possibly it can do this, but is not specified for this.
This would mean it cannot reach the specified
“As already speculated by a few here, Rossi continues to give me the
impression that he operates very much on intuition. Recording scientific
data is almost incidental to him, a characteristic I suspect probably drives
a few of his colleagues to distraction. “
After watching Rossi for some months
Robert Lynn wrote:
And you don't know if the water level in the huge reactor reservoir is
rising or falling. And you know that there are big problems with the
secondary loop calorimetry not remotely matching the primary in the
one instance (Mat's walk around video) where we know the primary
SVJ responded:
OTOH, to be fair to BLP, it's my understanding that the facility is not
financially structured to creating prototypes for industry and consumers.
Just proof-of-concept experimental devices that aren't in their own right
something that can be commercialized - not without a lot of
Andrea Rossi
October 11th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
Dear Gunnar Lindberg:
All the box containing the reactor is filled with water. The reactor
wafer is cm 20 x 20 x 4 (external dimensions), and to it are welded all
the steel wings necessary to exchange all the heat produced inside the
reactor. When
Rossi said:
The volume free for the water is about 30 liters, so that to fill up it are
necessary about 2 hours ( the pump of the primary circuit pumps about 15
liters per hour) . . .
This is confusing yet strangely helpful.
Didn't he say there are four cells in each reactor box? There are 4
tiistai, 11. lokakuuta 2011 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com kirjoitti:
It is intensely annoying that Rossi did the test in this ridiculous
manner, forcing us to scramble to try to determine whether
was 2 kW or 6 kW.
It had nothing to do with Rossi, but Mats Lewan was the culprit, because
Hi all,
Christos Stremmenos, the director (or so) of Defkalion calls the latest
press release by Defkalion megalomaniac amongst others.
Find the link here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=23#comment-94994
(hidden in the old blog entry dated January 14th).
Regards
On 11-10-10 04:35 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
If someone Couldn't care less, it means that they care so little
that it's impossible for them to care any less than they do right now.
If someone Could care less, it means that they care enough that it's
possible to care less.
Good grief!
Here is Google translation:
Christos Stremmenos
October 11th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
By chance I learned of the release of the GT SA Defkalion (Athens 11.10.10)
and I feel a moral obligation to act in faith to my convictions have already
been made public at the time .. I supported and
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
It had nothing to do with Rossi, but Mats Lewan was the culprit, because he
failed to measure all the necessary variables.
1. Lewan did the best he could under difficult circumstances.
2. All the necessary variables (parameters) should have been
2011/10/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
It had nothing to do with Rossi, but Mats Lewan was the culprit, because
he failed to measure all the necessary variables.
1. Lewan did the best he could under difficult circumstances.
2. All the
That was intentional - just keeping you guys on your toes.
Irregardless: should be regardless
Four corners of the Earth: the earth does not have four corners
Supposably: should be SupposeDLy
Commonplaced: should be commonplace (no d)
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-10-10
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I do not complain Mats for being incompetent, because I know that
Horace, Jed and me would have failed in similar manner. It is just too easy
to be wise five days after the demonstration.
I was wise before the demonstration. It took no
Does Stremmenos not longer belong to Defkalion?
He was vice president and chief scientist some time ago..
Am 11.10.2011 23:08, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Good grief!
Here is Google translation:
Christos Stremmenos
October 11th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
By chance I learned of the release of the GT SA
2011/10/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I do not complain Mats for being incompetent, because I know
that Horace, Jed and me would have failed in similar manner. It is just too
easy to be wise five days after the demonstration.
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
But if you do not have such a fancy toys around, then you have to
improvise. . .
Most of the equipment he needed was right there! All he had to do was use it
properly. As I said, the Termometro 4 channel TM-947 SD could have recorded
the
At 01:51 PM 10/11/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
It had nothing to do with Rossi,
but Mats Lewan was the culprit, because he failed to measure all the
necessary variables.
On the contrary -- Lewan jumped in and RESCUED what we do have. Without
him we would have NOTHING except Rossi's eCat
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
I said that the outlet water from
the heat exchanger should be made available to observers so they could
independently test the temperature with their own equipment.
This is of course possible, but is it? 600 kg/h water is lots of water
and
See:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2011/10/05/Japan-takes-steps-to-revise-energy-plan/UPI-61081317835370/#ixzz1aKbhqLE0
The Fukushima accident has had a profound impact. The statements and
attitudes in this article would be unthinkable a year ago. Such as:
Headed by Nippon
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As it happens, I offered to visit him with a team of experts from the second
best technical university in the U.S. to evaluate teh setup and take data.
Second best? Harummph!
:-)
T
Hi Mark,
Permission to vent granted.
Let me reciprocate with a few fissures of my own.
Mill's BLP have often been criticized for giving the appearance of
going off in too many directions, and as such, depleting their limited
resources. To be honest I don't know how justified such complaints
I wrote:
1. Put a tap in the hose to draw off samples periodically. To get an
accurate temperature, you draw off 1 L into a Dewar (a thermos bottle), stir
vigorously and insert several thermocouples and thermometers.
Toss out the first liter and fill it again. Maybe put the Dewar into a
At 01:50 PM 10/11/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Anyway, there are multiple cells and only one cell was in use during
this test.
I assume each of the 4 cells has its own reservoir, so 30 L / 4 = 7.4 L.
That's not my interpretation.
The fat-cat is a big tub of overall volume 110 litres.
The wafer
This is better than a weekly soap-opera!
Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode where we'll all learn who's
sleeping with who, and who the double-agent is!
:-)
-mark
On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 01:37 AM 10/11/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: ..
In the section :
NO HEAT TRANSFER TO HEAT EXCHANGER UNTIL 13:22
19:22: Measured outflow of primary circuit in heat exchanger,
supposedly condensed steam, to be
345 g in 180 seconds,
In the September report, they drain the water in the E-Cat through the fill
port, and 22,400 grams are expelled. This seems to be at or near overflowing,
based on the collected water; Also, the E-Cat weighed about a kg more than it
started at (this is presumably water retained below the level
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode where we'll all learn who's
sleeping with who . . .
. . . sleeping with whom . . .
T, prez narcissist society :-)
Hi,
On 12-10-2011 1:00, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
This is better than a weekly soap-opera!
Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode where we'll all learn who's
sleeping with who, and who the double-agent is!
:-)
-mark
Those were the days, with the Campbells and the Tates.
MoB
//
Does anyone know what units are displayed on the odometer type
display and sweep hands on the water meters used?
It says m^3 on the face, and the dials have x0.1, x 0.01, x0.001 and
one with a value I can't read but assume is x0.0001.
No instrument specs were provided. At the top it looks
On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 01:50 PM 10/11/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Anyway, there are multiple cells and only one cell was in use
during this test.
I assume each of the 4 cells has its own reservoir, so 30 L / 4 =
7.4 L.
That's not my interpretation.
The
On Oct.6th Passerini posted info and pics on his blog of the July
7th test with Stremmenos.
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/test-e-cat-7-luglio-2011.html
You can see two fat eCats wrapped in black insulation. Evidently the
fat eCat has been around since atleast the beginning of July.
This
On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Oct.6th Passerini posted info and pics on his blog of the July
7th test with Stremmenos.
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/test-e-cat-7-luglio-2011.html
You can see two fat eCats wrapped in black insulation. Evidently the
fat eCat has
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