On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Are you sure that you accurately understand the source of that radiation?
It would seem more reasonable for the energy to be transferred as a well
defined chunk that is accepted by the catalyst. The activity of the
The way that it was explained to me (by my son who understands these
things much more than I do) was that in a nuclear reaction that nucleus
suddenly has lots of excess energy to get rid of, and normally the only
option that its available that allows energy and momentum to be balanced
is to
As Jones Beene often reminds us, Mills theory is not a nuclear theory, it
is chemical only, Therefore, no involvement of the nucleus. That means no
transmutation an no gamma rays.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
The way that it was explained to me (by
From: David Roberson
Eric, the broadband emission of photons does seem a little problematic
Gentlemen,
It is suspected by a specialist I have talked to - that the broadband
emission (noise) or so-called continuum with a cutoff is an artful evasion
(cop-out) by Mills and could be a
the continuum is not easy to see in the data because it is hidden by
emissions due other atoms such as oxygen etc. But in some of their
experiments, the fact that they get *any* xrays (the continuum radiation
and oxygen peaks) is some proof of hydrinos because the voltage used to
create it was so
Corrected for spelling and revised
There is a well know property of nano-particles explained by
nano-engineersing and nano-optics which provides conversion of incoming
photon energy to either increase(even x-ray level) or decrease the
frequency of the outgoing photon frequency.
Other
Of course many will doubt the free energy claim, but these guys deserve
an A for effort in building a nifty looking car /and/ plane.
http://pesn.com/2014/01/22/9602427_Platinum-Invests_presents_worlds-first_free-energy-car_and_plane/
I do not doubt that when a commercial BLP device emerges, there will be a
firestorm of criticism that may be greater than what followed the FP Effect.
Among others, Underwriters Laboratories will be involved, and they will
demand a full understanding of anything as radical as BLP. The LENR
I agree Mike, and what you say also applies to LENR. The difference is
that BLP has kept the study localized in his company while LENR is the
wild West, where all kinds of crazy claims are being made about what
can be achieved and how the process can be explained. Mills has raised
money to
The kit car and airplane are precisely why these guys should be
disregarded. Anyone can send away for plane and car plans and spend a
ton of time building one.. But you do that after you have a working
power plant that can run the electric motor. The video is misleading
at a minimum.. the plane
Brad Lowe,
If the vid of the plane flying is not the one they built, it is very
misleading indeed.Looking more carefully Ithink I can see three
different aircraft.Do you know of them first hand?
Regarding the power plant, they show a picture near the bottom of the
drop down series, that
Apparently very few are being invited.None of our usual reporters.Mills
says there will be video released on the BLP site after the demo is over.
Mills answers some further questions at the site linked below.I note he
doesn't answer the question in several cases and confirms the demo will
From ecatworld.com ---
PRESS RELEASE: Industrial Heat Has Acquired Andrea Rossis E-Cat Technology
This just out!
Industrial Heat Has Acquired Andrea Rossis E-Cat Technology
RESEARCH TRIANGLE, N.C., Jan. 24, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/
Industrial Heat, LLC announced today that it has
Conservation of energy was proposed about 50 years before mass-energy
equivalence was deduced.
During that period four distinct conservation of laws were generally
accepted: one for mass, one for momentum, one for charge and one for
energy. Mass-energy equivalency reduced eliminated the difference
Now we see clearly why Mills arranged his hasty demo, weeks before he should
have.
Perhaps the aggressive approach of Industrial Heat will at least get more
information out there to assimilate.
-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
From ecatworld.com ---
PRESS RELEASE:
A couple of links for Industrial Heat and Cherokee Investment Partners.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=127890
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378
http://www.cherokeefund.com/index.htm
The speed and quality of system's development of the nascent competing
LENR (Mills included) reactor designs will be intimately related to the
amount of validity inherent in the content of the underlying theory the
underpins each reaction.
So let the completion of ideas begin.
On Fri,
See:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1700070
Thanks.
I notice the advisory committee is a remarkable collection of talent. See -
http://cherokeechallenge.com/team/
This gives Rossi a lot of credibility.
I wonder how this will impact various industries and markets.
-- Lou Pagnucco
Craig wrote:
A couple of links for Industrial Heat and
But, isn't this a good thing?
It forces potential investors to act quickly, or lose out.
-- Lou Pagnucco
Jones Beene wrote:
Now we see clearly why Mills arranged his hasty demo, weeks before he
should have.
Perhaps the aggressive approach of Industrial Heat will at least get more
Agreed the important thing is getting enough control of the phenomenon --
at whatever level of economic viability -- that one can conduct controlled
experiments to put to the test the infinite variety of confabulated
theories to which we have been subjected by the know-it-alls be they in the
So if Rossi sold the rights to the product, then doesn't this mean that
he's out of the business? If so, then it seems like quite a waste of
time. If the product is credible, then he threw away billions.
Craig
On 01/24/2014 04:38 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
This gives Rossi a lot of
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
So if Rossi sold the rights to the product, then doesn't this mean that
he's out of the business?
Well, it could mean he is a stockholder instead of the boss.
If so, then it seems like quite a waste of time. If the product is
credible, then he threw
Doesnt say what he acquired it for, probably cash, royalties, and stock. if
he's smart.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
So if Rossi sold the rights to the product, then doesn't this mean that
he's out of the business? If so, then it seems like quite a
On 01/24/2014 05:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
If so, then it seems like quite a waste of time. If the product is
credible, then he threw away billions.
Not if he sold it for billions. I don't see what you mean. The terms
of sale have not been make public. I have no idea what they are,
Rossi had already sold the US rights over a year ago to Ampenergo, and they
are the ones who apparently sold to IH not Rossi.
AFAIK Rossi apparently retains his most of rights in Europe and Asia but he
has sold out in some countries.
It will be interesting to know the status of China.
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
Doesnt say what he acquired it for, probably cash, royalties, and stock. if
he's smart.
You mean, it does not say what THEY acquired the rights for from Rossi, and
ROSSI probably got cash, future royalties, and stock. I think that would be
normal in a
Lou I agree with you. Must be good to have business people take over at
this time.
Craig, I think you see this with the wrong colored glasses. To realize that
one does not have the capacity (Money, knowledge, network, credibility,
personality etc.) and therefore sell when one has put in what one
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe, but it seems highly unlikely that Industrial Heat has access to
that kind of money. Not too many people have access to 'billions'.
You misunderstand. No one would pay billions up front. That would be in the
form of royalties if the product
I wrote:
In other words, they get ownership now, but they have to pay now and also
in the future.
And if they don't pay billions, he gets ownership back.
This is the sort of thing Edison did when he founded General Electric. He
joined forces with Big Money. See:
Somehow I think millions plus your name to live on throughout history would be
slightly more important than Billions at age 60+
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Lou I agree with you. Must be
Jed,
On a more selfish note, you probably have had a number inquiries from
industries since the first FP press conference, which do you think will
benefit if LENR proves to be what it claims?
Some obvious losers I think are coal, fission, petroleum, maybe utilities.
The winners might be
Kevin, you're very very confused about reality. I tend to avoid
discussions with such people.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
STMicro has nothing to do with Rossi.
Cherokee stuff is all rumor, but at least it has something to do with
Rossi.
3rd
blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Somehow I think millions plus your name to live on throughout history
would be slightly more important than Billions at age 60+
Why not have both?!? Billions in royalties plus having your name live on.
Why do you have to choose?
Rossi is not a fool. He knows
Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release.
Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee.
I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy
ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe.XOM
I've never heard anyone malign his programming skills. moral character,
visual design skills, absolutely, but never his coding chops.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Somehow I think millions plus your name to live
Bill Gates is very much focused on his legacy. Mr. Rossi 'effect' no
doubt is as well.
At a certain age, you appreciate your mortality and see things a bit
different than younger folk do.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
I've never heard anyone malign
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
On a more selfish note, you probably have had a number inquiries from
industries since the first FP press conference, which do you think will
benefit if LENR proves to be what it claims?
I have not had that many inquiries from industry. More often from
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
I've never heard anyone malign his programming skills. moral character,
visual design skills, absolutely, but never his coding chops.
I believe I have seen jealous people attack his programming skills as well.
People often denigrate Microsoft as a whole.
Gates should do no further philanthropy until he puts his wealth and
influence behind shifting the tax base off of economic activity (income,
capital gains, sales, value added, inheritance, etc.) and onto (liquidation
value assessed) wealth with the bulk of government revenue disbursed as
Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden
(investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at
Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here.
It'd be good to find out who those other investors are.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, right. You first come onto Vortex-L giving 10:1 odds and then
quickly pull back. You're the one disconnected to reality. I wouldn't
care except for the fact that you took money off the table.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Kevin, you're
We both used Intrade, Kevin. This is how it works.
Changing news requires updating your priors constantly.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, right. You first come onto Vortex-L giving 10:1 odds and then
quickly pull back. You're the one
Looks like Frank Acland was right on target with the Cherokee information
from a couple of weeks ago. Excellent work digging through the clutter.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:25 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
From ecatworld.com ---
PRESS RELEASE: Industrial Heat Has Acquired Andrea
Put that back to 43%:
Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from
the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead
Scholar.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2014/01/24/onfirmed-raleighs-cherokee-buys-into.html
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like Frank Acland was right on target with the Cherokee information
from a couple of weeks ago. Excellent work
Horse shit. You didn't change your views in those few days based upon
news. You changed it based upon your interactions here, during a time at
which there was no news.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
We both used Intrade, Kevin. This is how it
Well, it was news to me.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Horse shit. You didn't change your views in those few days based upon
news. You changed it based upon your interactions here, during a time at
which there was no news.
On Fri, Jan 24,
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2014/01/24/onfirmed-raleighs-cherokee-buys-into.html
Interesting comments here:
Confirmed: Raleigh’s Cherokee buys into controversial nuclear tech device
Executives at Cherokee Investment
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Skeptics of Rossi’s technology, including Forbes contributor
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/29/why-im-certain-that-the-rossi-e-cat-doesnt-work-as-advertisedTim
There was NO news between the time you went from 10:1 down to 2:1. ZERO.
You've disconnected from reality yet again, because you seem to be thinking
that the latest news about Rossi is what's being discussed. Bullshit. The
news took you from 35% to 41%, a rise of 6 points. Back in the NO NEWS
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Put that back to 43%:
Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA . . .
43%? Are you sure? I think it should be 51.8%. Then again, depending on
On 01/24/2014 06:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote:
Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden
(investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at
Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here.
It'd be good to find out who those other investors are.
This is just his internal measuring stick. Basically if he were buying a
contract at Intrade, he'd be willing to pay $4.30 to bet for Rossi being
real, which is a bullshit metric to begin with. So it's a guy who isn't
being real talking about some other guy who might be real. Bullshit upon
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
This is just his internal measuring stick.
I get it. I am just kidding.
To be fair, he has to put some dollar value on a bet, and it happens to be
$4.30.
I think it is silly to say this is the likelihood expressed as a percent.
He should simply say, I
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
43%? Are you sure? I think it should be 51.8%. Then again, depending on
his grades at Yale, maybe only 47.53%. Just spitballing here . . . but I
don't see where you came up with 43%.
- Jed
While naturally some
That's just a copy of the press release.
Anyone else think Darden and Cherokee may have been conned by Rossi? I notice
their scientific evidence is the previously disputed report from 2013.
On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
See:
As noted on the comments on Peswiki, the car shown on the Platinum Invests site
is a Michalak C7, an obscure discontinued German kit car based on the Smart
ForTwo. Several of the photo's used are stock photographs of the C7 taken from
http://www.myc7.ch/html/gallery.html. For a cold fusion
The Hydrino Study Group was a group of Mills supporters who spent many years
trying to understand his math and eventually closed down without reaching any
sort of resolution (except converting most of them to skeptics).
BLP spun out a separate company to license Mills revolutionary molecular
From: Analog Fan
Anyone else think Darden and Cherokee may have been conned by Rossi? I
notice their scientific evidence is the previously disputed report from
2013.
AFAIK - there is no evidence that Rossi was involved at all. He sold the US
license for his technology some time ago to
I think the validation should be more in this style
10 up to minus 7 is stupid
1% is next to stupid
20% a hard call
50% a good chance and with some support very likely
80% JUST DO IT A SURE THING
The last two just requires attention.
I know I am an optimist and that my comments are anything but
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload?
If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the
money and a percentage and run with it.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo
unload?
If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the
money and a percentage and run with it.
That makes perfect sense, but it may not be all of the
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo
unload?
If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the
money and a percentage and
One of the first comments on 22Passi years ago was that the Rossi
reactor was already on a USN ship. Maybe yes?
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Don't cha thin that the DoE deal has been long made and is separate
from the commercial deal?
Well, you do not have to be John Grisham to realize the whole brownfield
thing is chock-full of hidden value ... and to piggyback the kind of RD
that
After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at
least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known?
Stephen Coonts' America gives an idea of how far ahead naval tech
is above what is openly known. He's the new Clancy.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at
least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known?
But that could be giving them more credit than they deserve.
They're probably not that smart, and Rickover is
Going black or project completed?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at
least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known?
But
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Going black or project completed?
My opinion on Pentagon agility and brain-power - as it applies to advanced
technology is that yes, they can unbloat and do that kind of thing rapidly
on the rare occasion when it is given the highest priority with
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
See:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1700070
Kudos to Frank Acland and the fellow who broke this story well before it
was announced to the public.
From the press release:
Since acquiring Rossi's technology, IH has
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload?
I got the impression along the way that Ampenergo was not an entity that
was independent of Rossi; sort of a Leonardo Corp. II.
Eric
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
I've never heard anyone malign his programming skills. moral character,
visual design skills, absolutely, but never his coding chops.
Gates was at the helm of Microsoft when it acquired DOS. DOS came out many
years after
He should simply say, I would bet 4 or 5 bucks based on my gut feeling.
***In essence, that's exactly what he did. When he first came onto Vortex,
within a few short days he swung his estimate by 60 points, based on ZERO
news. Then he's swung a few pointspartially based upon 2 items that had
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
It reminds me of a woman who said she was willing to drive 12 miles to a
restaurant but not 12 a half. But on the way to the restaurant, she
detoured to buy a dress, travelling 40 miles out of her way. It's no big
Fortunately, I wasn't in the car with her. But her boyfriend was, and I
saw her insisting on her supposed rationality. At any rate, it's just a
story.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Kevin O'Malley
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