Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
this kind of cost analysis is on the good path. however the price are not yet stable. already rossi say's thate the cost of thermal W is reduced from 2k$ to 500$, and to be honnest like software or drugs, the cost is research, not building. thus it can get down with volume. Rossi talk about

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Since the subject of electric power generation and power companies has come up, let me get back to this analysis. I quibble with it, for the reasons I just mentioned in chapter 14 of my book. My conclusion is that if you are going to set up a cold fusion reactor to generate power to be resold to

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. T

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. Do you mean just the generator portion? Minus the diesel engine? Of course they do not usually sell just the generator portion alone, but perhaps you

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. Do you mean just the generator portion? Minus the diesel engine? Of course

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. Complete. Even includes a fuel tank. http://www.affordablegenerator.com/250_kW_60Hz_Generator_with_Cummins_Engine_p/250kw%20cummins.htm Wow! That is cheap. I had no idea they were so cheap. I wonder what a 250 kW steam

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As one who works in this field, the transition will not be easy or nice. Large amounts of pain will occur if the grid fails to deliver reliable electricity. This is not buggy whips or telephone exchanges. Cause the grid to fail and we lose the ability to make things, process things, deliver

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Yes. Totally stand alone. While Rossi will not guarantee the Ac kW output, which is as it should be, he has basically agreed to the idea of the test setup. See you were wrong when you questioned my ability to do a

[Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As a guide: 1) thermal to electrical conversion efficiency of 35%, generating 350 Ac kWs from 1 MW thermal 2) COP 6, feeding 167 kWs of electricity generated back into the input to generate 1 MW thermal 3) 183 Ac kWs available to be sold (350 Ac kWs generated - 167 Ac kWs looped back)

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: 4) Total plant cost (thermal and electrical) of $2,500,000 for a 1 MW thermal plant that produces 183 Ac kW after internal usage / losses Playing the game for a moment, why does the thing have to cost $2.5M?

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I'm working from currently published figures. $2 million for a 1 MW thermal plant and $500 k for the hot fluid to steam generator to steam turbine to Ac generator plus control systems, valves, pumps, waste heat radiators, etc. My projection is based on what I believe may be achievable in the

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Talking about money, didn't Rossi say that a big chunk of the money he is going to make will go to children with cancer? What happened to that? G On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: I'm working from currently published figures. $2 million for a 1 MW

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As a potential customer it is not my concern as it has no effect on the ROI or LCOE of any plant and / or equipment he may supply to us. AG On 11/30/2011 3:17 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: Talking about money, didn't Rossi say that a big chunk of the money he is going to make will go to

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: As a potential customer it is not my concern as it has no effect on the ROI or LCOE of any plant and / or equipment he may supply to us. Apparently you're also not too concerned that Rossi may be a liar.

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I'm not buying Rossi. I'm buying a piece of hardware with specifications that define how it should work. Hardware does not lie. Humans do lie and I accept that happens. Are you asking me to believe you have never lied? IMHO Rossi has never lie to or mislead me. We exchange emails several times

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not buying Rossi. I'm buying a piece of hardware with specifications that define how it should work. Hardware does not lie. Humans do lie and I accept that happens. Are you asking me to believe you have never

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi has not yet released the technical specs for the 1 MW thermal oil / fluid plant. It is still under RD as he says. But he works fast and I expect this to happen soon. When he does so we can rapidly move forward as from the outlet fluid temperature spec, we can determine the max steam

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Rossi has not yet released the technical specs for the 1 MW thermal oil / fluid plant. It is still under RD as he says. But he works fast and I expect this to happen soon. When he does so we can rapidly move

[Vo]:An Activist's Guide to Exploiting the Media

2007-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: An Activist's Guide to Exploiting the Media http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/freesources/activist.htm I think Steve Krivit knows how to play the game described in this document. This is overstated and too ideological, but the author makes some good points. Cold fusion researchers