Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 6 Feb 2011 02:16:19 -0500: Hi, [snip] they could crash spectacularly or that in hot weather with low air pressure they could not fly. [snip] If you look at a barometer you will see that hot weather almost invariably comes with high (not low) air

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-06 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 6, 2011, at 10:34 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If you look at a barometer you will see that hot weather almost invariably comes with high (not low) air pressure. It is just the opposite here in the far north. High pressure areas produce clear skies here, but the high air

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: ... I think that he [Levi] and other observers who have seen the test are convinced, but you have to calibrate his way of talking. Academic scientists tend to hedge everything they say so much it sometimes sounds as if they lack confidence. It is a style of speaking. You don't say

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody get Greek TV on their cable? Ecat was covered on national TV in Greece today: http://talefta.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: So, stsalikoglou is clearly associated with defkalion-energy.com (which is presumably where the Defkalion Energy confusion came from, please note) . . . I think so. From what Rossi told me, I gather he did not think the exact name mattered. He said

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: He [Levi] emphasizes that the experiment must be carefully prepared with a very strict protocol to avoid any doubt. And implies that there needs to be a further replication. If he's so convinced, why the need for further testing? There is

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-05 Thread Peter Gluck
Anyway, I would summarize the situation as doubts melting away- the process is real and important. and on the way to become a technology. It has NO theory yet, OK - but which variant of cold fusion has a first rate (i.e. one that predicts what to do)- usable theory? Obviously development is always

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Please keep in mind that the following quotes have been extracted from individuals whose opinions may have changed (or moderated) in subtle ways later on in the on-going thread. From Mr. Lawrence: I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that Levi doesn't believe it's for real, no matter what he

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread Terry Blanton
Nope, wrong first name. update on Defkalion Green Technologies I am uploading this since I see more traffic towards this blog So, it's not Defkalion energy. It's Defkalion green Technologies. Or isn't it? I don't know what to make of it. I got a phone call --from a cell phone-- by a person

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/04/2011 10:01 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Please keep in mind that the following quotes have been extracted from individuals whose opinions may have changed (or moderated) in subtle ways later on in the on-going thread. ... [NYT:] He [Levi] emphasizes that the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Much of the on-going speculation, of which I, too, am guilty of having propagated, reminds me of a poignant and all-too-brief scene I recall from the recent apocalyptic film titled, 2012, - which by the way was a really awful film. 100% special effects - 0% plot. Out in the wild snow-capped

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread Terry Blanton
Tibetan monks always survivein another body. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread Man on Bridges
Terry e.a., The whois information for the domain defkalion-energy.com lists a different email address as you may have noticed. ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) i.s.o. **stsalikog...@gmail.com* mailto:stsalikog...@gmail.com* Did anyone already send an email to this email

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/04/2011 05:46 PM, Man on Bridges wrote: Terry e.a., The whois information for the domain defkalion-energy.com lists a different email address as you may have noticed. ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) i.s.o. **stsalikog...@gmail.com* mailto:stsalikog...@gmail.com*

[Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi claims that he is being funded by the Defkalion Energy of Athens, Greece. On his blog, someone with the e-mail address stsalikog...@gmail.com says he is the contact at Defkalion Energy. He says his devices are being manufactured by the Leonardo Company of Florida. I did some elementary

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I have known about these problems for some time. Some people investigating this situation urged me to keep quiet a little longer while they investigated. I am not Steve Krivit, and I have never felt it is my role to investigate the private lives or credibility of cold fusion researchers. I

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From: S. Krivit's NET Installment #31 http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3616ideologies.shtml 16. Cold Fusion Versus LENR: Competing Ideologies Paragraph excerpt: In January 2010, Melich and his second wife, Marianne Macy, who writes for Infinite Energy magazine, began producing

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 03:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not think we should judge the results of a test based on the personal integrity of the person doing the experiment, especially when the people actually conducting the test are legitimate university professors using their own instruments. But

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 03:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: History is full of genius inventors who were unreliable, unstable or dishonest people. Can you name *one* person who made what turned out to be a breakthrough in physics, and who was known to be unreliable and dishonest, /and/ who had *no formal

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Ideally, it remains our hope that personality flaws won't adversely influence the alleged authenticity of extraordinary scientific evidence collected by said personality. And yet, here we are, seemingly unable to avoid participating in the very mess we

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
http://leonardocorp1996.com/index_eng.htm Interesting ... vegetable power

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
Is this the correct Leonardo Corp? http://leonardocorp1996.com/ harry

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
from Rossi's blog http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360#comments   DEFKALION Energy Group February 3rd, 2011 at 6:28 AM On behalf of Defkalion, we wοuld like to clarify the following: The full name of Defkalion comapny is: Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. registered in Athens

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
At the EON plant in Italy, where one test was said to take place, there are at least a dozen cars in the lot - so it is a real factory Google maps: EON Bondeno Ferrara, Italy http://leonardocorp1996.com/index_eng.htm Interesting ... vegetable powered GENSET Partnered with EON of Italy. Now

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 05:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Ideally, it remains our hope that personality flaws won't adversely influence the alleged authenticity of extraordinary scientific evidence collected by said "personality". And yet, here we

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: loud! -- while assuming other people will not notice these things, it is impossible not to entertain profound uneasiness about the claims. Understated, Jed. Darn right it's understated. I bit my tongue. I have been biting it for a year. You can see the scars.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 05:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: from Rossi's blog http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360#comments DEFKALION Energy Group February 3rd, 2011 at 6:28 AM On behalf of Defkalion, we w?uld like to clarify the following: The full name of Defkalion comapny is: Defkalion

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Domain name: leonardocorp1996.com Registrant Contact: Andrea Rossi () Fax: Via Carlo Ragazzi 28 Bondeno, Ferrara 44012 IT Administrative Contact: Andrea Rossi (i...@leonardocorp1996.com) +39.0532897038 Fax: +. Via Carlo Ragazzi 28 Bondeno, Ferrara 44012 IT Technical Contact: Andrea Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Florida Profit Corporation LEONARDO CORPORATION Filing Information Document Number P1091220 FEI/EIN Number NONE Date Filed 11/08/2010 State FL Status ACTIVE Principal Address 1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 505 MIAMI BEACH FL 33139 Mailing Address 1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 505 MIAMI BEACH FL 33139

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Nice apartment. Wonder who lives there? T On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Florida Profit Corporation LEONARDO CORPORATION Filing Information Document Number P1091220 FEI/EIN Number  NONE Date Filed      11/08/2010 State   FL Status  ACTIVE

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
? http://gr.linkedin.com/in/stavrostsalikoglou

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
I did a research on Defkalion energy. It seems that the company is located in number 3, Xenofondos street, in Halandri, Athens. A few days ago, I emailed stsalikog...@gmail.com Defkalion Energy Defkalion thanks you for your interest in the Energy Catalyzer regarding licensince, sales and

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Can you name *one* person who made what turned out to be a breakthrough in physics, and who was known to be unreliable and dishonest, *and* who had *no formal training* in the field? Davy, especially in his later years and his treatment of Faraday.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:13 PM 2/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: {quoting Rossi] 3. About your suppositions, I will make no more tests on modulbecause it is clear that people like you will also find something wrong. It's all Rothwell's fault that Rossi will disappear, no more demonstrations? Wait until october,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Rothwell was trying to tell him how to involve investors, so that he'd have the money to hire help, arrange for manufacturing, etc. He wants to do it his way, again, that's his privilege. I have been telling him that *politely*, I might add, for

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Even with a megawatt, assuming there is power input some questions need to be addressed and a professional report has to be written, or the results will not convince people. Done properly, it will convince everyone. And let me add that I think any professional engineer could take