Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-24 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/6/24 Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Kyle, nice work as always. Couldn't the plate (the support of the net charge) be simply the inside surface of the glass tube, and the plasma be just the conducting wire

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-24 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Or it could be that in both cases the capacitance remains constant (defined by the dielectric material, area and thickness), and the decrease in frequency is due to the increase in resistance of the resistor + plasma series

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-24 Thread Kyle Mcallister
V and John, 1.2kVDC and 4kV, eh? No problem. Did find: old microwave oven. Transformer still works, lower wattage oven so safer output. 120VAC to 2kVAC transformer. Plan to send this to a 2 stage multiplier, as I have about a hundred 6kV diodes on hand and nice capacitors rated for this

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
Be careful, they are more dangerous than neon sign transformers for instance, you probably know that but... That's a lot of HV diodes! I appreciate your expectation that nothing will happen, it is better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Kyle

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/6/23 Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com V, Hmm. Very little to say, re: my plasma capacitor relaxation oscillator. I'll do a few more quick tests and let you know what I find. John, now that we've established, despite the static, that one can make a cap with one plate a

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread Michel Jullian
What I was going to type before my finger slipped is: But it wouldn't change the charge nor the value of the capacitor, as the inside plate would still be there, only it would be disconnected. Michel 2009/6/23 Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com: 2009/6/23 Kyle Mcallister

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Kyle Mcallister wrote: V, Hmm. Very little to say, re: my plasma capacitor relaxation oscillator. I'll do a few more quick tests and let you know what I find. Your results are just what I'd expect, since plasmas are resistors, or fluid conductors. Mercury rectifiers

STIFFLER WARNING Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: in the general region as both Hiddink claimed and was to a lesser degree reported by Stiffler, also a guy on a Ed Gray conversion tube list after listening to me tried some stuff out and fried a pack of distant diodes. Stiffler's reputation on this list

Re: STIFFLER WARNING Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
He has plainly made some interesting demos and if this is true then yes that is very disappointing. Sock puppets to praise your own work is more than a bit creepy. It does seem he had an issue with criticism and somehow (how I'm not sure) I managed to piss him off. As true as all that may be

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Kyle, nice work as always. Couldn't the plate (the support of the net charge) be simply the inside surface of the glass tube, and the plasma be just the conducting wire leading to that plate? In this case, suppressing the

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
Slowly dying should not be expected to generate the effect. The capacitance apparently increasing on the death of the plasma is curious. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Kyle,

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-22 Thread Kyle Mcallister
V, Hmm. Very little to say, re: my plasma capacitor relaxation oscillator. I'll do a few more quick tests and let you know what I find. John, now that we've established, despite the static, that one can make a cap with one plate a plasma, what specifically would you like me to do with it

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-22 Thread John Berry
Indeed not much, but there is no reason to believe that it should be insufficient as we know the capacitance wasn't going to be very high, I have not yet established if it is less than might be expected however. Well Ok let's charge the cap with a few KV and then see if this emission of electrons

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-20 Thread Kyle Mcallister
John, and all interested, In an experiment to determine whether or not a lit fluorescent tube can act as a capacitor when surrounded with a conductive material, I did the following experiment. A relaxation oscillator was constructed; +V of about 110VDC from a 'bandolier' of 9V batteries put

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-20 Thread John Berry
hmmm, that seems reasonable. I wonder if a metal-metal version would have a similar capacitance? I might get a multimeter, play with some foil and wire and try to see if that capacitance is any below the metal-metal version. At any rate that it has capacitance is good and means that IMO it's

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-19 Thread John Berry
: Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:14 PM --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com Subject: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread Terry Blanton
Here is the Rex Research article on Hiddink: http://www.rexresearch.com/hiddink/hiddink.htm Terry On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kyle Mcallisterkyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly titled thread for this, as Enough Already

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:14 PM --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com Subject: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
wrote: From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:14 PM --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com Subject: [Vo

[Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-17 Thread Kyle Mcallister
V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly titled thread for this, as Enough Already doesn't make much sense in light of what we're talking about. :) Made a mistake in my last post, UV blacklights DO have a phosphor, one that prefers the blue end of the spectrum. Not

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-17 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com Subject: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:29 PM V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-17 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:14 PM --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kyle