Definitions, Gentlemen, please:
What is libertarianism?
Libertarianism is, as the name implies, the belief in liberty.
Libertarians strive for a free, peaceful, abundant world where each
individual has the maximum opportunity to pursue his or her dreams and
to realize his full
Dear Reliable,
Please take care with definitions.
They are dangerous. SJ Lec has told this showing that finis (end, death)
and definition have the same root.
A definition in practice is an agressive simplifying logical manouvre that
can mutilate a complex concept.
For liberalism see please:
Von: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 12:53 Samstag, 2.Juni 2012
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Definitions, Gentlemen, please:
What is libertarianism
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote:
Those should be arguments to fundamentally question the ideology of
Libertarianism.
I distrust all ideologies. I believe in pragmatism. We should do
what works. As Deng Xiaoping said: I don't care if it's a white cat or a
black cat. It's a good
Dr. Gluck,
Dare you to read or audio listen to Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder by
Michael Savage along with Common Sense
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/singlehtml.htm and then
define What is liberalism? differently.
From Reliable with Love
Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Reliable,
to get
re-elected.
-Mark
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 4:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
One can justify Govt's responsibility to use PUBLIC
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 16:41 Samstag, 2.Juni 2012
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I distrust all ideologies. I believe in pragmatism. We should do what works.
Jed,
I basically agree
the corruption… in fact, they use it
REGULARLY to get re-elected.
-Mark
*From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, June 01, 2012 4:53 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
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MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net mailto:zeropo
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote:
Just dozed off. While in that state I heard a wee voice utter Off with
their heads! in French and a louder shout in english with a Shakesperian
accent Kill all the lawyers!. What a
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
You CANNOT compare the stewardship and trust that TAXPAYERS put in their
elected officials vs private investment/business. There is absolutely NO
INCENTIVE for politicians to be frugal with SOMEONE ELSES MONEY!
They have exactly the same
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote:
Just dozed off. While in that state I heard a wee voice utter Off with
their heads! in French and a louder
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
This example, at its most simple message shows how corporations sometimes
see new technologies in the opposite light even though the world might
benefit.
Agreed. Corporations sometimes see things in terms starkly
Jed,
Just a fact check. You don't know how many times I have heard that a
solar site 100 miles to the side in the Mohave could generate all of the
power requirements for the US.
Some numbers based upon most efficient claimed CSP plant: (approx 2 to 3
times more efficient than PV but much more
Well, at 40% efficiency, you need 1.6Km^2 for every gigawatt, So, 30X30 km2
will do it. Maintenance is hard but in terms of area, it is not something
spectacular.
Consider the reservoirs of the 2 most powerful hydroelectric dams:
Itaipu reservoir has 1350km^2
Daniel,
Double check your math...i get 38 sq km per gigawatt during daylight with
clean mirrors
On Friday, June 1, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Well, at 40% efficiency, you need 1.6Km^2 for every gigawatt, So, 30X30
km2 will do it. Maintenance is hard but in terms of area, it is not
something
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Some numbers based upon most efficient claimed CSP plant: (approx 2 to 3
times more efficient than PV but much more expensive)
They are not much more expensive, and by the time you build one that is 100
miles to the side, they would be the cheapest
Solar irradiance is ~1kw/m^2. 1GW/km^2, then. It goes up to 1.3GW/km^2 if
balloons at stratosphere are used.
2012/6/1 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Daniel,
Double check your math...i get 38 sq km per gigawatt during daylight with
clean mirrors
On Friday, June 1, 2012, Daniel Rocha
Daniel,
Your 40% overall efficiency only includes rankine cycle and leaves out
Mirror losses
Air dispersion of mirror flux
Steam generator ambient radiation losses
10 hour only per day generation
Transmission losses
Overall number is much lower.
On Friday, June 1, 2012, Daniel Rocha
? See: Ruggero
Maria Santilli for one.)?
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From: Chemical Engineer lt;cheme...@gmail.comgt;
To: vortex-l lt;vortex-l@eskimo.comgt;
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
Jed,
Just a fact check. ?You don't know how many
I wrote:
Also, your Robots will need to clean 781 million mirrors per month
(monthly cleaning cycle) in the heat and sand of the desert.
So what? Use 100,000 robots.
That would be 11 mirrors per robot per hour. That seems like a reasonable
task even for a slow moving robot.
Maybe you
These are photovoltaic cells. And night consumption is lower. Even at 20%,
the total area is still small.
2012/6/1 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Daniel,
Your 40% overall efficiency only includes rankine cycle and leaves out
Mirror losses
Air dispersion of mirror flux
Steam
ny@aol.com wrote:
Liberal Journalist wannabes seem to abound
in vertex. Experienced adults know that governments lie.
So do corporations, universities, physicists, bankers and stockbrokers. So
do farmers, housewives, doctors, bakers, and candlestick makers. It is the
human condition.
It
Shouldn't the costs be going down Jed?
http://www.renewablesbiz.com/article/12/05/pge-says-it-will-meet-california-s-renewable-energy-goalsutm_medium=eNLutm_campaign=RB_DAILY2utm_term=Original-Member
As an engineer i have to deal with reality which focuses my creativity
toward worthwile
to complete your efforts toward making money as
a cold Fusion Consultant and/or author? See: Ruggero
Maria Santilli for one.)
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From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative
As Chemical Engineer said: (and they are WASTING OUR MONEY)
Very Quickly
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From: Jed Rothwell lt;jedrothw...@gmail.comgt;
To: vortex-l lt;vortex-l@eskimo.comgt;
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
lt;ny
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
ny@aol.com wrote:
Liberal Journalist wannabes seem to abound
in vortex. Experienced adults know
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Shouldn't the costs be going down Jed?
http://www.renewablesbiz.com/article/12/05/pge-says-it-will-meet-california-s-renewable-energy-goalsutm_medium=eNLutm_campaign=RB_DAILY2utm_term=Original-Member
As an engineer i have to deal with reality which
Jed,
Concentrated Solar thermal has been around for 40 years and the costs still
suck. They are assembling 350,000 mirrors/heliostats at the job site. How
effective do you think that is? How much more time do they need to be
competitive? 50 years, 500 years, 5000 years? I am glad I don't live
At 01:29 PM 6/1/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Daniel,
Your 40% overall efficiency only includes rankine cycle and leaves out
Mirror losses
Air dispersion of mirror flux
Steam generator ambient radiation losses
10 hour only per day generation
Transmission losses
Overall number is much lower.
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Concentrated Solar thermal has been around for 40 years and the costs
still suck.
Wind turbines were around for 1000 years but until the 1990s their costs
were much too high. It is not the length of time that counts; it is the
total RD and scale of
Jed,
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Concentrated Solar thermal has been around for 40 years and the costs
still suck.
Wind turbines were around for 1000 years but until the 1990s their costs
were
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Wind turbines were around for 1000 years but until the 1990s their costs
were much too high. It is not the length of time that counts; it is the
total RD and scale of manufacturing.
It is not just the scale of manufacturing, not every product or
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
This example, at its most simple message shows how corporations sometimes see
new technologies in the opposite light even though the world might
Jed,
Absolutely, flat mirrors have been used for thousands of years and full
length flat mirrors have been used for 400 years. Mirrors are already mass
produced, just go to any Home Depot. Google spent money two years ago
reseaching heliostats/solar thermal and dropped it. They have not made
.
-Mark
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
This example, at its most simple message
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On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chemical
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
One can justify Govt’s responsibility to use PUBLIC, TAXPAYER funds for *
pure* RD, and I’d go as far as some *applied* RD, but that’s about it.
And the results of all that research should be FREELY available to any
taxpayer . . .
I agree. Several
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not think it is a good idea for the U.S. to become an economic colony
of China, incapable of manufacturing any core technology for ourselves. It
is difficult to know how we can avoid that without the government
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Liberalism is supporting government? Shouldn't it be the opposite? I mean,
liberalism is a typical conservative stance, for example, the more
conservative the republican, the more liberal it is. Liberal as meaning
Dear Friends,
I have just published my answer to COLD FUSION NOW's
Ruby Carat question What if?
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/05/answering-to-ruby-carats-what-if.html
My answer is not demonstrable but it can have some traces of realism.
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
I find this whole subject of history's might-have-beens painful. It is so
awful to think about the lives and money lost, and the useless wars over
oil, I prefer not to think about it. I agree with Satchel Paige: Don't
look back. Something might be gaining on you.
- Jed
Pain? Magic mushrooms and funny smoke. Step up the dose, Jed.
Recommended by Ca politicians.
Dr. Homeopathic
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell lt;jedrothw...@gmail.comgt;
To: vortex-l lt;vortex-l@eskimo.comgt;
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative
It is true, the Past has very few good things for us. It was a challenge
Ok, ready.
Let's focus on the present and especially on the future. Will LENR+
prevail, this is the question.
Peter
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I find this whole subject of
Jed,
It is wise to reflect on the past so as not to repeat the same mistakes in
the future. Burying one's head in the sand is useful only for suffocation
Regarding the lives and money lost, there have been no lives lost in the
greenie weenie renewable grab as of late and it has been YOUR money
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
A123 (on the cliff)
Don't push on A123 yet:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-27/a123-rises-as-army-testing-its-batteries-in-prototype.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh8mNjeuyV4
T
Terry,
1 Hour Ago.
*A123* Falls on 'Significant' Losses to Replace
Batterieshttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-31/a123-falls-on-significant-losses-to-replace-batteries.html
Bloomberg - 1 hour ago
*A123* Systems Inc., a U.S. maker of lithium-ion batteries for electric
cars, fell the most in
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Government should fund basic research across universites and nail down the
science ($thousands and $millions)
Government should fund private, pilot scale projects and RD grants
($millions not $billions) and nail down the scale-up costs, etc.
$700 ASR-33 terminal beloved of early microcomputer programmers such as
Gates and me, which was mainly designed and built for a U.S. Navy contract
I used one of those ASR-33 terminals too and worked in Cupertino, CA right
down the same street from Steve Jobs Co. I don't remember Steve and Bill
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't remember Steve and Bill asking for billions in government
handouts.
Those billions were spent when Steve and Bill were children, from 1950 to
1970. In the late 50s and early 60s, as I recall reading that over half of
the money going into
On 05/31/2012 01:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[...]
I have a similar set of quote for the canals that governments were
building all over Europe and the Erie canal in 1817, and the railroads
they soon subsidized, and the Transcontinental Railroad built with
Uncle Sam's loans in the 1860s, and
Jed,
You mention projects that are advancing human civilization and many were
great investments. Are you OK spending billions on green projects that
have 1/100th or less the energy density/potential of existing fossil fuels
vs. future clean nuclear options (Including LENR)? . Are you OK filling
I wrote:
The government also paid for most of the development of computers in ENIAC
and in later projects such the MIT Project Whirlwind . . .
It began a lot earlier than that, in the 1880 when the Census Bureau paid
Herman Hollerith to invent the punch card processing machines. His company
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You mention projects that are advancing human civilization and many were
great investments. Are you OK spending billions on green projects that
have 1/100th or less the energy density/potential of existing fossil fuels
. . .
Which projects do
I meant Rossi WILL NOT take any investment money from anyone.
I know that for a fact. As I said, I know many of people who have been
trying to cut a deal with him for a couple of years.
Defkalion thought they had a deal, but it broke up. I do not know why.
I personally would not want to make a
I thought Leonardo Corp is now owned by investors per Rossi? I doubt that
happened for free - if true
On Thursday, May 31, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I meant Rossi WILL NOT take any investment money from anyone.
I know that for a fact. As I said, I know many of people who have been
trying to
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
If the technology is cost efficient, then the market will bring it. Even
if delayed by 20 to 50 years, this is a small price to pay for a moral
society run without threats of violence.
You want to talk about violence?
If France and the UK had
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought Leonardo Corp is now owned by investors per Rossi?
Is that what he says? I don't believe him when he talks about business. But
you never can tell -- maybe it is true. He is a man of mystery.
I doubt that happened for free - if true
Jed sed:
I have a similar set of quote for the canals that governments
were building all over Europe and the Erie canal in 1817, and
the railroads they soon subsidized, and the Transcontinental
Railroad built with Uncle Sam's loans in the 1860s, and later
the transatlantic cable (mainly a
I wrote:
U.S. invasion forces in Japan included 800,000 men, compared to just over
100,000 in the Normandy invasion.
I meant scheduled invasion forces, in Kyushu. God only knows how many it
would have taken to invade Honshu and Tokyo.
I knew many soldiers and civilians on both sides and I
On 05/31/2012 04:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
And then Craig replied:
How pleasant! Governments take money from people through
threats of violence, to subsidize special interests.
[...]
I'm baffled, Craig. How do you go about equating certain government
funded programs that have
On 05/31/2012 04:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
If the technology is cost efficient, then the market will bring
it. Even if delayed by 20 to 50 years, this is a small price to
pay for a moral society run
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The power density of solar cells is low but as long as they are cheap it
does not matter. (Energy density is meaningless in a solar cell or wind
turbine; the energy will last for billions of years.) We are not running
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Under a 100% free-enterprise system I know of few business enterprises that
could justify to their stock holders a plan to make investments that could
take up to 20 - 50 years to start generating
dividends for their stock holders.
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't pay the government's taxes, which it uses to raise money for
these projects, then they threaten you with violence, and will ultimately
put you in jail.
Nonsense! You are free to move to some country where taxes are zero and
there is
At 09:43 AM 5/31/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I find this whole subject of history's might-have-beens painful. It
is so awful to think about the lives and money lost, and the useless
wars over oil, I prefer not to think about it. I agree with Satchel
Paige: Don't look back. Something might be
Message -
From: Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:re the alternative history of LENR
On 05/31/2012 04:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote
I wrote:
As I said, a whole new type of fast memory chips were developed for the
LARC computer. Two LARC computers were constructed. The chips were obsolete
and never used for anything else.
Anachronism alert! They were not chips. They were discrete components:
transistors and ferrite cores.
So, you don't pay taxes. Alright then. Then, suppose I steal your stuff.
Police is a branch of the government, so, there won't be anyone to enforce
property rights.
Unless you hire thugs. So, you are exchanging government for a thug ridden
country.
2012/5/31 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote:
When we make an exception for government and say, well we know that
violence, threats of violence, and aggression are wrong, and while we would
never practice these things in our personal relationships, but then we
On a lighter note, even Mark Gibbs supports my views on the new anti stick
polymer for Ketchup, now i feel alot better...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/05/30/how-high-tech-could-hurt-heinz-profits/2/
This example, at its most simple message shows how corporations sometimes
see new
I agree the government can go overboard fostering technology, with things
like ethanol. It went overboard during the cold war, manufacturing 67,500
nuclear weapons.
But I would not call these extremes conservative and liberal. I
advocate policies that have worked since the 18th century.
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Many of the big oil companies dabble in renewable energy because they do
not feel threatened by it. kW/Mw scale LENR if/when it is proven may get
ignored by big energy much like Kodak did with digital cameras.
I have often predicted this will
On 05/31/2012 10:17 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
To (1), the complaint about the government using the threat force to
extract taxes is fanciful. As has been suggested, you can move to
Somalia or Afghanistan if you prefer. There you will learn that when
the government doesn't have a monopoly on
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