- Original Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 05.10.2011 20:20
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
The correct number was a 40°C temperature difference which indicates a
nominal 130 kW. See:
http
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Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de
An: jounivalko...@gmail.com
Datum: 06.10.2011 08:48
Betreff: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
Yes without doubt this would be discovered sooner or later.
It was my thought, that nobody had the idea to test
- Original Nachricht
Von: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
An: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
Datum: 06.10.2011 04:15
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
It is not about evidence of cold fusion. There are plenty of evidence
for anomalous
In reply to peter.heck...@arcor.de's message of Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:04:06 +0200
(CEST):
Hi,
[snip]
I dont see this as a problem. It would be very fine if there is /repeatable/
evidence for anomalous heat.
If there is enough excess heat that cannot be explained conventionally then
this is a
Someone wrote:
In previous experiments, however hidden energysources such as fuel
tanks were not excluded.
That is incorrect. A video of a previous test shows the observers lifting up
the device, looking under it, and placing it on a weight scale. They also
looked inside it. Hidden energy
From Peter:
and make your own predictions if you dare or
it makes fun for you
A good dare, Peter! ;-)
I think it would be foolish of me to predict. I can only share a personal
opinion of my own, an opinion that in the end may turn out to be inaccurate.
IMO, because of the caliber of certain
Some thoughts about. I predict that E-Cat when stabilized, it will
produce 6-12 kW cyclically, where as average electric heating power is
800 watts, but it will also work cyclically. Therefore COP is 8-15. On
average perhaps around 12.
2011/10/5 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com:
»My impression
2011/10/5 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
I think that the thinking goes back to the Pl-D cold fusion reactions,
I apologize my silly mistake... Pd-D cold fusion...
–Jouni
I predict a conclusive success or catastrophic failure for Oct 6 test - Rossi
has had his fill of getting beat up over inconclusive results and predict he
will risk operating the fat cat closer to run-away during this extended test
to finally make the numbers overwhelming.
Fran
From: Peter
I predict another inconclusive test.
T
Extraneous data will only serve to complicate what should be very
straightforward calculations.
Donating to the World; Two Cents at a Time,
R.L.
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:33:58 +0300
Subject: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
From: jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
Yeah, I predict: FUBAR f* up beyond all reason...
Rich Murray
I have two souls inside my chest:
I want to believe it, but I cannot believe it.
My intellectual mind says, no this will not work. They are all lying
like mad.
When I first heard about this I did not know much about this.
I have readed that Levi claimed there where energy bursts of 100 or 200
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
2) It will take a LONG time for the e-Cat to come up to temperature.
As far as I know it never takes more than 10 or 20 minutes. No one has ever
reported that takes longer than this. The test will be at least 12 hours so
warm up time is
Hi Peter,
FWIW, it's been my experience that the universe seldom conforms to my
anticipated calendar of events.
She has a mind of her own. I do my best to remember that, particularly
when I begin to notice the fact that I seem to be anticipating yet
another major event coming down the pipeline.
yes, but what's going on since 1989 is more collective mutual
delusion, rather than deliberate lying, in most cases -- as one who
has twice failed radically at attempting day trading stocks, I notice
that Ponzi schemes in all their variety constitute much of what is
still presented as legitimate
I wrote:
It never occurred to me anyone would start the secondary loop after the
machine warms up, but I will tell them they better do it that way.
Better NOT do it that way. I just told them:
The secondary cooling loop should be started before the Rossi device is
turned on. You should
Am 05.10.2011 20:00, schrieb Jouni Valkonen:
Very good arguments you presented. Thanks for those. I hope that you are wrong!
I hope too, that I'm wrong.
My hopes however are very low. It is wishful thinking, nothing more.
I want a repeatable key experiment to prove LENR effects. If Rossi
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
When I first heard about this I did not know much about this.
I have readed that Levi claimed there where energy bursts of 100 or 200 kW
some months ago.
With my todays knowledge I know, this is impossible, because it is
impossible to measure
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 19:40, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
3) Secondary water flow will be properly measured and regularly
recorded, but input primary power measurements will still be
inconclusive. i would
At 10:40 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
As far as I know it never takes
more than 10 or 20 minutes. No one has ever reported that takes longer
than this. The test will be at least 12 hours so warm up time is
irrelevant. No form of stored chemical energy can power a device of this
size at that
At 10:59 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Better NOT do it that way. I just told them:
The secondary cooling loop should be started
before the Rossi device is turned on. You should
confirm that the inlet and outlet temperatures
are the same. In other words confirm that the
inlet and outlet
Hmm, what does it mean for a 15 hour test? Does it mean 15 hours of fusion
or 14 hours of heating plus 1 of fusion?
Am 05.10.2011 20:21, schrieb Man on Bridges:
With a Copper resistivity/m of 0.0175 this requires a wire with a
thickness of 10.0 mm^2
or a diameter of 3.57 mm (= approx. AWG 7 ! ), which results in a wire
of 0.00175 ?.
Such wire is VDE approved for a maximum of 66.00 A and with single
phase
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I take an old blacksmith's anvil. I warm it in a kiln over two day to
roughly orange-hot (it is going to hold this heat for a LONG time,
especially if well-insulated).
It will be orange hot after about 10 minutes. It will reach the
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume
For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess)
Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs
Diesel/Air : 459 hrs
Boron/Air : 1697 hrs
Hmmm ... I forgot to print the total fat-ecat volume in the document
...
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
What if they have coils inserted in the table wood board?
That is ridiculous. It would take a huge set of coils on both sides -- in
the table and in the eCat -- to induce 15 kW. Anyone looking at the device
would instantly see what it is. Observers
At 11:48 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume
For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess)
Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs
Diesel/Air : 459 hrs
Boron/Air : 1697 hrs
Hmmm ... I forgot to print
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Looks like I goofed ... it's now listing 90 liters, so my volume and times
are 3* off : back to the source-code
Your calculations should take into account the fact that people will look
inside the thing and see that it is metal equipment, not a
Am 05.10.2011 20:51, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
What if they have coils inserted in the table wood board?
That is ridiculous. It would take a huge set of coils on both sides --
in the table and in the eCat -- to induce
At 11:55 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alan J Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
Looks like I goofed ... it's now listing 90 liters, so my volume and
times are 3* off : back to the source-code
Your calculations should take into account the fact that people will look
inside the thing
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 21:02, Peter Heckert wrote:
They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power
through the legs or through a distant coil using resonance
transformation effects.
And you would think that their equipment or other electronic devices are
not affected by such
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
That was my report on Lewan's September trial -- when he didn't see
inside. 90L total is correct, which will come down when it's stripped.
Ah, I see what you mean. Stripped in this case means opened up and
revealed down to the largest single component
Am 05.10.2011 21:08, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 21:02, Peter Heckert wrote:
They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power
through the legs or through a distant coil using resonance
transformation effects.
And you would think that their equipment or other
At 12:29 PM 10/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
The observers should take a thermal imaging camera. That would
quickly reveal any sign of preheating.
Harry
And any exhaust from combustion or a heat-pump.
Both way down in the probabilities, but worth doing.
Also, Lewan / April :
To safely exclude
I should have said:
While the eCat is warming up, nearly all of the heat that goes in
comes right out. Nothing is stored. The heat is balanced. There is no
SIGNIFICANT endothermic phase, so there is not MUCH storage.
What storage there is, you can measure with confidence. A calorimeter
Again, FWIW, I hope to God this is a conclusive test.
As this argument is already raising eyebrows, let me go back to the original
predictions that are raising a fuss:
4) Power gains will be relatively small and will be reliant on calculations
using a no input value during the
Ok, I make a precise prediction:
I make a bet with two persons:
With person 1 I bet that the e-cat will work.
With person 2 I bet that the e-cat will not work.
When we have the results, both persons will say, they have won and will
want their money..
hehe
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
You're absolutely right that residual heat would only result in tempearture
loss and not temperature gain (which briefly appeared in the last demo).
It was not brief. The temperature rose from 22:35 to 22:42, 7 minutes.
That's much too long
Ah... I seem to have an overpowering urge to ramble on for a bit. Please
feel free skip the following soliloquy if one is easily bored by matters
pertaining to the care and feeding of our inner psyches. I've noticed that
on more than one occasion commentary attributed to Mr. Murray seems to bring
I think he ought to run it for a few hours and then put it in self-sustain
mode, which I assume means no power to the internal resistance heater(s), and
then let’s HOPE that it becomes unstable and goes critical!
I say, let it melt-down…
With no input power, and coolant flowing, there is
I enjoy your truth-full spunk -- my wife and I have read some Eckhart
Tolle every day for years -- I let A Course In Miracles work on me
daily since August, 1977 -- yes, no evidence possible in any dream,
while awareness-being is not dream or even source of dream -- peaceful
dreams conveniently
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