In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:39:45 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Why is the voltage impactful: High volts produce LENR and high amps produce
hydrinos?
How does this distinction fit into Mills theory?
To start with, 600 keV electrons will produce lots of X-rays. They could also
The SF-CIHT system is virtually identical to the Proton-21 experiment. The
only difference is a few micrograms of water that the copper button
encloses.
The Proton-21 system produces lots of gamma rays. It goes to reason the the
SF-CIHT system will produce a ton of gamma rays.
The proton-21
Just like Proton-21, SF-CIHT must use a huge arc discharge to produce
copper nano-particles from condensing copper plasma. A LENR reaction
happens based on these nano-particles as residual EUV copper ion afterglow
will explode them after nano-particle condensation out of the condensing
copper
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:25:35 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
The SF-CIHT system is virtually identical to the Proton-21 experiment. The
only difference is a few micrograms of water that the copper button
encloses.
AFAIK the Proton-21 experiment uses 600 keV electrons. Mills uses
Why is the voltage impactful: High volts produce LENR and high amps produce
hydrinos?
How does this distinction fit into Mills theory?
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:25:35 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
The SF-CIHT system
I spoke to BLP yesterday. They said they were working on the video of
the demo of Jan 28th. and expected it to be published on their site next
week.
If the anomalous energy is as high as claimed it should be possible to
demonstrate it even with a few pulses. I suppose we will see next week.
Yes...agreed, any water vapor blast demonstration is pure theater, This
includes the Papp canon and the recent Mills demo.
The hard part is the reformulation of the water vapor fuel and
the efficient capture of the energy content of the water blast.
If it were easy to meet these additional
Thanks for the review of BLP's history.
We have to avoid conflating the, so-far enigmatic, demo of the day before
yesterday with the long history of work at BLP. That long history of work
would indicate that, from the public's point of view, BLP is in the same
boat as Rossi, et al, except having
From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:02 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter 4
Thanks for the review of BLP's history.
We have to avoid conflating the, so-far enigmatic, demo of the day before
yesterday with the long
To stage your own 5 Megawatt demo for just over 100 bucks
1)Purchase 100 mW laser on eBay for about 30 bucks
2)Purchase a 50 MHz Wavetek 50 MHz Pulse Generator Model 802 for about
$80
3)Hack the two using instructions on Sam's Laser FAQ to produce a 20 ns
laser pulse
4)Pass
Mike,
If anyone has seen Mills' standard NDA, this is laughable since there is
absolutely no way that any of these tests are independent. It is a sad
mischaracterization to say, or imply, independence.
But of course, the strong NDA and payment for services does not mean that
the tests
or duplicated.
It remains an engaging topic for speculation.
Mike Carrell
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected
That's gotta be the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump, still in production I think.
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed
a lot
easier unless we happened to be too close to one of those devices exhibiting
too much gain! :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 1:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
Years
*As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
clarified or duplicated.*
For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has
Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?
Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.
That gives
I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive
FYI
Implementation of the Leahy-Smith America Invents Act
The U.S. patent system has granted patents to the person who could
substantiate that they were the “first to invent.” Fairly liberal
mechanisms existed that created a “grace period” allowing inventors to
receive patents from applications
[mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3
.
Igniting hydrogen with a spark in itself is not patentable: What Mills is
doing is much more than that.
Mike Carrell
*From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:09 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
Mike, do you believe that those older cavitation devices operated at over
unity? My main concern is that it is so difficult to make accurate
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
That's gotta be the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump, still in production I think.
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water
plasma.
These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.
I believe
Nanoparticle formation, superatoms, and Rydberg matter are an important
subfield in chemistry. Mills, being a master chemist, should have been
familiar with this science and should not have invented his own imaginary
field of chemistry. Nanoparticles and their properties and application can
[mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:00 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Dear Mike,
Just about the BLP's Demo of Jan 28, I
want to mention that DGT has presented a 9+
hours demo at ICCF 18 and 2 days before it has officially published
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Dear Mike,
Just about the BLP's Demo of Jan 28, I
want to mention that DGT has presented a 9+
hours demo at ICCF 18 and 2 days before it has officially published A
PROTOCOL predicting the paameters and results they will obtain during the
demo
is what counts, not the opinions of critics.
Mike Carrell
*From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:00 PM
*To:* VORTEX
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Dear Mike,
Just about the BLP's Demo of Jan 28, I
want to mention that DGT has
To: Vortex List
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Taking the hypothesis that Mills Hydrino theory is not valid, (please, take
that hypothesis as an experience of thinking)
is it possible according to given evidence that Mills and Blacklight
experience a classic LENR+, similar to what Brillouin
I've had a chance to read Jeff's helpful slides [1] and have some
questions. But first I want to make sure I've gotten the basic points
right.
Here is my current understanding of Mills's theory (there are several
related ones going around). I am trying to understand the main points of
Mills's
From: Mike Carrell
Alan , BLP belongs to the chemical world, LENR= Low Energy Nuclear
Reactions, a whole different world.
This clearly defined kind of bifurcation is what Randell Mills and his
financial backers would dearly love for you to believe. It can mean billions
to them in
I agree with you, Jones. The hydrino or something like it allows LENR
to occur. The only variation in the various theories comes from how
this special state functions. Mills focuses only on creation of the
state, not its role in LENR, as you note. He took this stand early
even though he
From: Edmund Storms
Mills focuses only on creation of the state, not its role in
LENR... He took this stand early even though he saw and reported tritium
production because he did not want to get sucked in the rejection hole into
which LENR had
Jones, tritium is only produced when H is used, as Mills is doing. Use
of pure deuterium does not produce tritium while producing much more
energy. Mills needs to switch to deuterium, but if he did he would
have to admit he was causing a nuclear reaction. He has created a no
win situation.
Mills can hardly keep the transmutations secret forever. Is that what
is taking him so long . . . trying to get those nasty pollutants out
of his experiments to protect his theory? :-)
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Mills can hardly keep the transmutations secret forever. Is that what is
taking him so long . . . trying to get those nasty pollutants out of his
experiments to protect his theory
.
Mike Carrell
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
His patent disclosers are descriptive of many possible
be patented.
Mike Carrell
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
His patent disclosers are descriptive of many
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:54 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Hydrinos are electron groups who need their collective action to function.
Think of them like cooper pairs of electrons. Once the cooper pair is
removed from the influence of the superconductor
some firm proof, which is lacking.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 18, 2014 2:34 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Eric, the point is simply force people to get a license and pay
royalty
...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2014 8:54 PM
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP
Hydrinos are electron groups who need their collective action to function.
Think of them like cooper pairs of electrons. Once the cooper pair is
removed from the influence
Joe Papp invented and patented the technology that extracts power from
water when stimulated by a spark discharge, with the water containing
various chemical elements as catalysts.
This energy from spark activated water can drive an energy conversion
device specifically an engine or be used as an
Papp's patents are invalid. Those skilled in the art could not use his
patents for beneficial use.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Joe Papp invented and patented the technology that extracts power from
water when stimulated by a spark discharge, with the
Oh no ! Say it ain't so, Joe. ya' mean the 300 mph submarine wasn't really
powered by a water engine .
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papp.html
From: James Bowery
Papp's patents are invalid. Those skilled in the art could not use his
patents for beneficial use.
If hydrinos exist, the use of hydrino power may produce a surplus in
hydrino gas.
Its probable that this substance is no toxic and not a
greenhouse gas.
But I'm not so sure that will happened then it reach
the ozone layer.
Ozone is highly oxidative and may be destroyed by
hyrinos.
Are
Hydrinos are electron groups who need their collective action to function.
Think of them like cooper pairs of electrons. Once the cooper pair is
removed from the influence of the superconductor, they become normal
everyday electrons.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net
Having spent little time in trying to understanding Mills ideas and
therefore if someone knows, why does the Mills reaction need a spark to
activate the hydrino formation process?
It is natural to expect that an energy hole will extract energy from a
close by hydrogen bound electron when the
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
His patent disclosers are descriptive of many possible strategies and
ingredients [to catch any copiers] while concealing in plain sight the
optimum path which s disclosed to licensees.
Why would he intentionally make it
Is such obscurity is the criteria for evaluating the value of a good
patent, then Joe Papp produced a world class patent of the first rank.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
His
I wonder if Mills sees strong magnetic fields as does DGT. If so, what
might be the explanation for this strong magnetic field.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Is such obscurity is the criteria for evaluating the value of a good
patent, then Joe Papp
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