At 03:22 PM 8/17/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
In a post today integral sited a death of a LENR developer in an
explosion. The take away, LENR is dangerous when the power is high.
It is best to be as safe as you can.
When Pons and Fleischmann, in 1983, in one of their first
experiments, using a
Fast Recomb? What the hell is that? Matter collapse? What was the
chemical reaction?
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
That death was from a chemical explosion. SRI, recombiner gunked up,
researcher picked up the cell, gunk fell off, fast
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:40 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Fast Recomb?
Fast recombination of the H2 and O2 back into water and heat.
T
Our IC engine testing euphemism for fires and explosions was a thermal
event
On 18 August 2012 14:49, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:40 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Fast Recomb?
Fast recombination of the H2 and O2 back into water and heat.
At 11:17 PM 8/16/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
I am putting two and two together here. The Papp engine ash was a
brown powder.
Thanks for letting us know that this was your speculation, not a
conclusion from strong evidence.
J Ronner talks about a two helium atom fusion process.
And what J
If you just sell plans for poppers, electronic circuit boards and licenses
for the technology, then all of the liability rests with the OEM's they
drag in. They probably give them a short demo in the shop before the thing
malfunctions. I notice everytime I see a demo it is behind explosion proof
In a post today integral sited a death of a LENR developer in an explosion.
The take away, LENR is dangerous when the power is high. It is best to be
as safe as you can.
Axil
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
If you just sell plans for poppers,
That death was from a chemical explosion. SRI, recombiner gunked up,
researcher picked up the cell, gunk fell off, fast recomb,. Bang! He
died, McKubre still has glass in him. As I recall reading. Closed
cells are dangerous. LENR *could* be dangerous. Unreliable can cut
both ways.
Sent
At 10:44 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
Most of all, Papp himself seemed to be the obstacle. In order to
have a commercial engine, he needed to disclose how it worked, and
he was terrified that if he disclosed it, he'd be cheated.
Bob Rohner once asked Papp why he was not interested in
Magnetic forces work on conductive media. The majority of the time the
noble gasses are not in a conductive state.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
*The majority of the time there is no magnetic confinement*
I was under the impression that the coils were
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly mixed,
although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
Moreover, when I talked to Bob, he said that the current through the coils
was very low. I don't recall
*Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly mixed,
although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.*
In the John Rohner cycle, he first excites the noble gases with a radio
frequency generator before the
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In the John Rohner cycle, he first excites the noble gases with a radio
frequency generator before the piston starts to move into compression.
Xenon is easy to excite because it binding energy is low: many orders of
In the noble gas cluster formation process, any combination of noble gas
elements is possible. Helium could well be affixed inside various noble gas
clusters types. In my opinion understanding noble gas cluster formation is
key to understanding the Papp reaction.
Cheers:Axil
On Thu, Aug 16,
At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not
in a conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly
mixed, although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
Moreover, when I talked to Bob, he said that the current
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At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not
in a conductive
JR uses on the plug 110KV on the plug ignition cables.
Cheers:Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
conductive state. The
At 05:04 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
The refuel process adds noble gas instead of replacing it. This
on-the-fly refuel means that there is no buildup of reaction ash as
is normal in all other LENR devices.
If this thing works, it doesn't sound at all like LENR. I don't see
any basis for
The Papp engine produced boron as ash, but it was grossly inefficient. J
Rohner improved the timing to eliminate the atomic pollution through
nuclear recombination.
Cheers: Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 05:04 PM 8/15/2012, Axil
One of their documents said one was for containment and the other for
compression (around the spark plugs)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are
Source for your info on boron? If adjusted out somehow, what is the
ash now? Does it vary with settings? Do we know? How?
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The Papp engine produced boron as ash, but it was grossly
inefficient. J Rohner
I am putting two and two together here. The Papp engine ash was a brown
powder. J Ronner talks about a two helium atom fusion process. This type
fusion does not produce energy in fusing to boron8 atoms. But all boron
isotopes under B11 will decay by fission. There are two conceivable ways in
which
At 04:29 PM 8/14/2012, Michael Foster wrote:
The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that
the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an
appreciable length of time.
Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any
container not made of
The refuel process adds noble gas instead of replacing it. This on-the-fly
refuel means that there is no buildup of reaction ash as is normal in all
other LENR devices.
Cheers:Axil
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 04:29 PM 8/14/2012, Michael Foster
A correct statement might be that John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to
keep the helium located axially at the center of the cylinder.
The majority of the time there is no magnetic confinement. The only reason
helium _might_ remain at the center of the cylinder is that, being of lower
*The majority of the time there is no magnetic confinement*
I was under the impression that the coils were active all the time. Did
someone tell you something different?
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:32 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
A correct statement might be
I watched a video interview of Rohner. It was interesting to see his
apparatus, the single cylinder that he fires by pushing a button, and
the method of measuring the force applied by the cylinder firing. If
that force is even over the distance of motion of the cylinder, which
was shown and
*Most of all, Papp himself seemed to be the obstacle. In order to have a
commercial engine, he needed to disclose how it worked, and he was
terrified that if he disclosed it, he'd be cheated.*
Bob Rohner once asked Papp why he was not interested in commercializing the
Papp engine. Papp told him
Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop,
generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount
of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a
thing until you have proof that it works.
- Original
Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they should
have a running system on display along with other OEMS using their engine.
I am not ready to give them $50K
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.comwrote:
**
Until I see an energy balance
The use of an adjustable spanner more or less settles this discussion.
On 08/14/2012 11:17 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they
should have a running system on display along with other OEMS using
their engine. I am not ready to give
It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One
thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the
steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the
interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this
video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum
which will allow the steady state
The reason the balloon gets sucked in and the reason the coil gets hot is:
The unit has created gremlins (collapsed matter). Over time, the gremlins
are collapsing additional matter available in the vicinity until they have
finally collapsed all the matter available. The coil is available to
, 2012 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One
thing to notice is that the cylinders
On 8/14/2012 1:51 PM, David Roberson wrote:
He suggested that there was .5 volts across the coil when grounded. I
assume that he broke the ground and then connected some form of meter
across the turns. I suspect that this reading was not accurate and
most likely external noise or possibly
to the measurer about his test configuration.
Dave
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On 8/14/2012 1:51 PM, David
I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp
engine. If it works, it's
certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in
watching the
video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no
way in hell that
John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially
at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge
of the piston.
What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is
running. The coil provides a cylinder within the
Axil,
I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils in
each cylinder, one for compression and one for containment. I believe the
compression coil is located exactly around the focal point of the spark
plug electrodes so that it concentrates ions at the focal point for
You’re hoped for gremlins have not been seen in CERN’s LHC, any problem
with the gremlin theory is they do not exist?
Cheers:Axil
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
Axil,
I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils
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I referenced in my summary the 2012 studies below which estimated they
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