At 12:02 AM 6/22/2011, Jeff Driscoll wrote:
http://www.testosites.de/export/sites/default/datalogger2011/en_INT/local_downloads/brochure_EN.pdf
yes, this device, and its probes, measure the relative humidity of
*air* . It does not measure steam quality. What is Galantini
doing?
I
:24 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The Testo 650 is used for measuring *humidity*, Jed, for, like, food
manufacturing and storage, etc.
Read that HP literature. The device measures up to 100% humidity, it
claims
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Jed, these devices measure a number of things directly, and others are
calculated. I see no sign that the device is designed to measure steam
quality. It's not a described application.
Yes, it is. The Delta Ohm meter with an HP474AC probe, the meter is
intended to
Abd is right,
I've been trying to say multiple times that the meter measures
humidity of air up to 98% humidity. The probe can go to 150 C without
being broken but that does not mean that it can measure accurately up
to 150 C.
But that's for *air* anyway. We want to know the steam quality.
At 09:44 AM 6/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Jed, these devices measure a number of things
directly, and others are calculated. I see no
sign that the device is designed to measure
steam quality. It's not a described application.
Yes, it is. The Delta Ohm meter
- Original Message
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 12:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
You are right you would not use it to measure the enthalpy of hot water.
Bingo!
Wet steam is, partly
On 11-06-21 01:46 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomaxa...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 12:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
You are right you would not use it to measure the enthalpy of hot water
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
But it's pointless.
Well, to be honest - this entire wet-steam / dry-steam argument (and the
massive bandwidth) could be little more than a diversion now, and is of
historical importance only - if and when there is NO required input
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 2:56:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
But it's pointless.
Well, to be honest - this entire
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Look, Abd, you need to get real. I honestly have no idea how these
meters work.
That's right. I can tell you this: the brochure is quite specific as
to what is measured, and it ain't enthalpy.
What are you talking about? The brochure says that it measures,
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
I've been trying to say multiple times that the meter measures
humidity of air up to 98% humidity. The probe can go to 150 C without
being broken but that does not mean that it can measure accurately up
to 150 C.
But that's for *air* anyway. We want to know the steam
Sorry, I cannot see what is wrong with the steam measurements. It is
perfect according to the specification of all instruments. Even 2%
won't make a meaningful difference. What I want to see addressed
properly is a proper calculation of the volume output of the hose,
which seems too low.
One more important thing which may be happening this week - behind the
scenes.
Defkalion has bought the rights to this device in Europe. It is possible
that they did not agree to share with Rossi advances which they
independently make. This could create a bit of friction in the future.
Rossi is
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 1:57:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
On 11-06-21 01:46 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
- Original Message
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomaxa
, June 21, 2011 3:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
Sorry, I cannot see what is wrong with the steam measurements. It is
perfect according to the specification of all instruments. Even 2%
won't make a meaningful difference. What I want to see addressed
properly is a proper
About 8N/cm^2, or 10psi, a usual pressure for tires. I guess you feel
that if you hold an automatic pneumatic hose to fill the a bicycle's
tire.
At 12:44 PM 6/21/2011, Jeff Driscoll wrote:
Rossi is dumping the evidence down the drain. Why else would he not
dump it into a big tank and measure the temperature rise of the water?
Abd says he just wants to confuse people and keep competitors away -
I say it's because Rossi is a fraud.
At 01:46 PM 6/21/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
I don't think the probe is measuring the hot water at all. If they
have already determined that the steam exiting the reactor is dry by
sight and by feel, it is appropriate to measure the ratio of
water-gas to air-gas with a suitable probe.
But
At 03:36 PM 6/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Look, Abd, you need to get real. I honestly have no idea how these
meters work.
That's right. I can tell you this: the brochure is quite specific
as to what is measured, and it ain't enthalpy.
What are you talking
At 03:41 PM 6/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
I've been trying to say multiple times that the meter measures
humidity of air up to 98% humidity. The probe can go to 150 C without
being broken but that does not mean that it can measure accurately up
to 150 C.
But that's for
ABD wrote:
By the way, I think I erred when I reported the operating range as up to 85%
RH,
non-condensation. That was referring to the unit itself, not to the probe.
That is correct. All instruments that I've ever dealt with, be it $100K
microwave analyzers to
simply DMMs and temperature
Okay, Krivit got a mail from Galantini:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/20/galantini-sends-e-mail-about-rossi-steam-measurements-today/
Galantini wrote:
Good morning, on the request made to me today, as I have repeatedly
confirmed to me that many people have requested in the past,
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Complex explanations have been proposed, ranging from insensitive
equipment to bizarre multibody fusion theories. Yet, a very simple
explanation covers the result very well: Rossi lies.
That is not a very simple explanation. It would be a very complicated
one,
Eh? ALL those people have observed non-natural isotope ratios?
That was what I was talking about there.
On 11-06-20 09:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Complex explanations have been proposed, ranging from insensitive
equipment to bizarre multibody fusion theories.
At 06:44 PM 6/19/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
If one were trying to reach the operating temperature of the device,
wouldn't it
make sense to have no water flowing until it was reached (or at least close)?
Consider the complications. For a reminder, there are two chambers in
the device, a
At 04:02 PM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I've asserted recently that it was obvious to
me that the steam was wet, and I've said,
several times, that it would take too long to
explain why. I've got a few minutes, so I'll
see if I can fit in a coherent explanation.
I think you have
On 11-06-20 03:35 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 04:02 PM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I've asserted recently that it was obvious to me that the steam was
wet, and I've said, several times, that it would take too long to
explain why. I've got a few minutes, so I'll see if I can
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Aw, these reports drive me nuts. I'd not read this one, I think. They
have a pump for cooling water, it seems. So when they start up, they
are pumping an estimated 6.47 kg per hour of water. They assume that
this flow rate remains the same. Why?
It's a constant
I received this message a few minutes ago. Take it FWIW.
Original Message
Subject:Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:21:54 -0400
From: LEGUILLON Robert robert.leguil...@us.thalesgroup.com
To: sa...@pobox.com sa...@pobox.com
Ah yes. It is right there in the testo.com brochure, isn't it?
I vaguely recall that I checked this months ago for the instrument used in
the first test: the Delta Ohm model HD37AB1347 IAQ with a high temperature
HP474AC SICRAM sensor. I listed that in the news item with a link to the
brochure
At 04:10 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Aw, these reports drive me nuts. I'd not read
this one, I think. They have a pump for cooling
water, it seems. So when they start up, they
are pumping an estimated 6.47 kg per hour of
water. They assume that this flow rate remains the same.
On 11-06-20 10:11 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 04:10 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Aw, these reports drive me nuts. I'd not read this one, I think.
They have a pump for cooling water, it seems. So when they start up,
they are pumping an estimated 6.47 kg per hour of water.
The Testo 650 is used for measuring *humidity*, Jed, for, like, food
manufacturing and storage, etc.
Read that HP literature. The device measures up to 100% humidity, it
claims. Wet steam is above 100% humidity. The literature claims that
the device measures: CO2, CO, temperature, and
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The Testo 650 is used for measuring *humidity*, Jed, for, like, food
manufacturing and storage, etc.
Read that HP literature. The device measures up to 100% humidity, it
claims. Wet steam is above 100% humidity. The literature claims that the
At 10:38 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-06-20 10:11 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 04:10 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Aw, these reports drive me nuts. I'd not read this one, I think.
They have a pump for cooling water, it seems. So when they start
up, they are
At 11:24 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The Testo 650 is used for measuring *humidity*,
Jed, for, like, food manufacturing and storage, etc.
Read that HP literature. The device measures up
to 100% humidity, it claims. Wet
. If it doesn't sting and it
is invisible it passes the dry steam test.
Harry
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 12:32:21 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
At 11:24 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:02:22 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If the effluent isn't flowing, however, the
temperature rise is limited only by the need to heat the thermal mass of
the device, which is fixed.
The linearity argument is very far from conclusive, of
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:02:22 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Complex explanations have been proposed, ranging from insensitive
equipment to bizarre multibody fusion theories. Yet, a very simple
explanation covers the result very well: Rossi lies.
My own personal
From Robin,
My own personal impression (for what it's worth) is that Rossi has
something
important and knows it, but doesn't understand it completely, and
consequently
can't control it perfectly, which makes him a little insecure, so he
easily
feels threatened, and says whatever he thinks is
On 11-06-19 06:44 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:02:22 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If the effluent isn't flowing, however, the
temperature rise is limited only by the need to heat the thermal mass of
the device, which is fixed.
The
- Original Message
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, June 19, 2011 9:09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Something more on the steam
On 11-06-19 06:44 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sun, 19 Jun
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