Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Rhong Dhong
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank

[Vo]: Hidden Wealth

2006-11-27 Thread Jones Beene
One of the more fascinating themes of fiction involves hidden wealth and the duplicity which is involved in controlling it. Of course, buried treasure and pirated booty is the prototype for this alluring theme - but even several of Blackbeard's chests of Spanish doubloons is little more than

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Standing Bear
On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:13, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. It has a COP100% which means it produces more power than it consumes, but to have a meaningful COP it

[Vo]: 2nd law of thermodynamics is incorrect

2006-11-27 Thread Paul
Here's another experiment that is extremely straightforward and simple. We know that thermo noise has no theoretical upper crest limit. Normally we refer to noise in terms of root mean square. When studying real thermo noise we see that given enough time the noise will eventually drift to a

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he does not know the source of the energy. It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Rhong Dhong
Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right. The ceo has said he

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Paul
--- Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nothing in, something out = efficiency = infinity. The concept of infinite efficiency is somewhat interesting. Consider a black box that requires 100 watts input, and outputs 1 KW. When operating the black box could theoretically do away

Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth

2006-11-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:08:51 -0800: Hi, [snip] It is that strange isotope of hydrogen - 18O. Almost one percent of the unpalatable water in the Great Salt Lake water consists of this heavy so-called isotope 18O. The fact that there is such an abundance seems

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:37:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] Obviouslybut then again maybe free electrons and protons have no weight. [snip] The Solar corona (no to mention the Sun itself) is largely free electrons and protons, yet they are kept attached to the Sun by

Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth

2006-11-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On 11/27/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. Well, now, this gives a whole new slant to the recent news:

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On 11/27/06, Rhong Dhong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't anything obvious, so maybe it is something like Frank Grimer's gamma atmosphere. You can count on it. Whatever it is, it just goes on and on and on, even to powering a 550bhp motor. This is larger than the alleged Perendev magmo.

Re: [Vo]: Oil shale research in Israel

2006-11-27 Thread Nick Palmer
I am responding to Standing Bear off list.

RE: [Vo]: Re: Polarized Vacuum Between Concentric Spheres-Cylinders

2006-11-27 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
It's interesting you should say that. For a long time I've predicted that the speed of light thru a charged capacitor (say vacuum dielectric, or any other) should be slower than normally. Has this experiment been done? According to my interpretation of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: --- Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nothing in, something out = efficiency = infinity. The concept of infinite efficiency is somewhat interesting. Consider a black box that requires 100 watts input, and outputs 1 KW. When operating the black box could

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Rhong Dhong wrote: Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input. No it's not. Right.

Re: [Vo]: Hidden Wealth

2006-11-27 Thread Jones Beene
--- Robin I think the explanation for the high concentration can in this case be found in the mundane... No, no - I should have been clearer - it is not that 'local' concentration which is the precise anomaly in question. But yes there is the mundane explanation for the salt lake also. The

Re: [Vo]: Re: Interesting News About Steorn

2006-11-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On 11/27/06, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example might be an electric motor which produced more mechanical energy than the electrical energy it consumed -- to close the loop you need to convert the mechanical energy back into electrical energy, which introduces losses which

Re: [Vo]: [OT] Google Maps Easter Eggs

2006-11-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: Vorts, While spying on my neighbors about a mile away, Tournament Players Club, aka Sugarloaf Country Club, I came across this image: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8z=17ll=34.010799,-84.115362spn=0.004562,0. 007231t=kom=1 http://tinyurl.com/wclkj Now, if that is a

[Vo]: Neo-Valet Parking?

2006-11-27 Thread Jones Beene
'fonly ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHJrSMjuUjwmode=relatedsearch=

RE: [Vo]: 1.568 x 10 -25 Farads

2006-11-27 Thread Keith Nagel
You're welcome, Frank. I am aware that the value of the proton radius is questionable, for example http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Proton.html the two values listed are 0.805 ± 0.011 and 0.862 ± 0.012 femtometers. So there is some wiggle room for theory, but 1.4 seems like too big a

[VO]:Re: Hidden wealth

2006-11-27 Thread RC Macaulay
Blank Jones wrote.. As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. This one is not yet fictionalized. It was recently, very quietly, shuttled into private hands from DoE, in what