JC wrote:
Have I got it straight? Because if so, then I think the idea is whacked. If
not -- if you think the
ecat *can* produce intermediate powers -- please try to explain what would
come out of the ecat if
it were producing 2 kW power (in the Krivit demo). Presumably, if there is no
That's fairly amazing, as quantum theory says nothing about particles,
flittering, flitting or otherwise.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:07 AM, francis froarty...@comcast.net wrote:
Abstract: One of the most surprising predictions of modern quantum theory
is that the vacuum of space is not empty.
Sorry about that. I'm sure the remainder of the article could be
interesting.
Simply put, my objection is the the inclusion of particles rather than
quanitzed fields in this abstract statement. Particles, as existent things,
are an addition to quantum mechanics, not part of it. Nothing in quantum
Yes it is. How would you explain it?
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
The Lewan demo shows no such clear increased heating phenomenon, so that
data is even more puzzling.
I disagree. There is a lot that can be known beyond which has been commonly
discussed here as pertains to Rossi's device in its various incantations.
A few Phd's entered the scene with cold feet and limited access, obtained
incomplete data then reported their impressions months ago. In these
did you write this, Jed?
What is a sparge test in this context?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly right. Rossi said this, very clearly. When he invited me, I said I
wanted to do confirmation test, where I measure temperatures independently
and
Yeap. This is what I expect transpire:-
A 1 MW unit will be qualified in the very same way the individual devices
have been qualified: volumetric input of liquid water will be compared to
electric power input.
It should be a marketing success.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Daniel Rocha
Tell me Lomax. Would you destroy the reputations of others to advance your
own.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Hello Jouni
It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the outside
air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when a high pressure
system is covering Italy ( a normal situation during spring and summer).
Look at to calculate the pressure corrected boilingpoint :
P.J van Noorden wrote:
It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the
outside air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when a high
pressure system is covering Italy . . .
In the April 28 tests, Lewan reported: we calibrated the probe by
immersing it in a pot
2011/7/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
P.J van Noorden wrote:
It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the
outside air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when a high
pressure system is covering Italy . . .
In the April 28 tests, Lewan reported: we
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not argue with ghosts.
I don't blame you, after the pathetic wet steam is not possible salvo.
Ah yes, those ghosts which grab splashy
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Jed, this is dead wrong. This is obvious. Suppose you have *almost*
full vaporization, not all the water is boiling, so water level in the
E-Cat will rise.
Almost full vaporization is a degree or two below boiling. That's my point.
Eventually, some will spill out.
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
-Mark
Rossi could serve many negative examples for a course of Prestige
Management He reminds me one of the 'casts'
of this fable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
It seems he does not care, because if the E-cat woirks well
at the industrial level, these gaffes will be forgotten.
If Rossi was a scammer, he'd never accept this kind of visit or would
make a more decent presentation like he did with Lewan or would just
remain silent. This explosive behavior makes me think that e-cat is
true... Unless he is simulating a true behavior to hide a scam. This
is a kind of recursive
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
No, but do you know many HAMs?
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_1x.html
:-)
T
At 01:56 AM 7/18/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
Yeap. This is what I expect
transpire:-
A 1 MW unit will be qualified in the very same way the individual devices
have been qualified: volumetric input of liquid water will be compared to
electric power input.
It should be a marketing success.
Andrea
My dad was!
W6PXZ W6-Peter-Xray-Zanzibar
Used to sit in the 'ham-shack' and watch him CQ all the time...
Then there was the time when my sister's college roommate's dad was trying to
buy Palmyra island in
the Pacific and the only communications they had with guy left on the island
was
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Jed, this is dead wrong. This is obvious. Suppose you have *almost* full
vaporization, not all the water is boiling, so water level in the E-Cat will
rise.
Almost full vaporization is a
At 10:02 AM 7/18/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
[ I thought that Defkalion said they were taking orders for small
Hyperions in November. ]
Their products page says
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products
The 1MW Hyperion will be inaugurated in Q4 of 2011 with its
production phase to commence
P.J van Noorden wrote:
the airpressure on April 28th 2011 was 1011 mbar, so the boilingpoint
must have been 99.9 degC. The difference in boilingtemperature can be
explained by the accuracy of the thermometer (+/- 0.4 degrC).
At these temperatures with boiling water I doubt the water
At 12:55 AM 7/18/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
At 09:14 PM 7/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
So most of the time he now performs stress tests on his modules in
self-sustaining mode,
Rossi wrote:
I received him to get those suggestions, curious to know about what
he had to suggest. I was working in my Bologna lab when I received
him and he saw one E-Cat under test for no more that 30 seconds,
after which I invited him to exit. He made no tests, he saw nothing,
he just
I posted a message titled Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples with
an itty-bitty 17 kilobyte photo attached.
Did the message come through? Did the picture come through? If you cannot
see the picture and you really want to see it, contact me directly and I
will send it. It is no big deal. I
jed, I got the post and the picture...
-Mark
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Is the itty-bitty photo visible?
I posted a message titled Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples with an
It is perfectly visible.
But let's measure the enthalpy of the steam
not any other characteristic
Peter
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I posted a message titled Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples with
an itty-bitty 17 kilobyte photo attached.
[snip]
However, we know that Rossi is, shall we say, enthusiastic, and not
terribly careful about what he says. The 18-hour test allegedly
showed a transient temperature phenomenon that has been interpreted
as 120 kW. Just for starters, that might be explained, for example,
by some scale
I forgot to mention there were ~2 L of water in the pot.
I wrote:
3 Omega GT-736590 thermometers, red liquid, total immersion, -10 to 100°C,
marked in 1°C increments
Correction: -10 to 110°C
Regarding the heat-after-death event that Brown observed, I am assuming --
or pretending, really --
Peter Gluck wrote:
It is perfectly visible.
But let's measure the enthalpy of the steam
not any other characteristic
I am calibrating thermocouples. Is that not allowed? More calibrations
and more specific information about temperatures, duration, the mass of
metal and the mass of cooling
How do you take a 30 minute glance?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Rossi wrote:
I received him to get those suggestions, curious to know about what he had
to suggest. I was working in my Bologna lab when I received him and he saw
one E-Cat under
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you take a 30 minute glance?
Well, Brown said in his report that Rossi showed him heat after death for
about 2 minutes. (He also told me this.) That's more than 30 seconds.
Perhaps Rossi just means for a short while. I do not think he means 30
So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office
is the same as the one of this paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 ?
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/7/18
Subject: Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office
is the same as the one of this paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 ?
Who else would he be? I wasn't aware there was a controversy.
This reminds me of the joke about a person
Hi All,
I have been trying to replicate the E-Cat transmutations in an open-source
kind of way and I'm ready to start asking the community for suggestions on
how to proceed.
I have two identical reactors that I can pressurize with hydrogen up to 20
bars and heat to 300C. I can measure, graph,
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been trying to replicate the E-Cat transmutations in an open-source
kind of way and I'm ready to start asking the community for suggestions on
how to proceed.
It took Rossi 15 years and hundreds of tests to figure out how to make this
work.
Good degassing references can be found in the Stremmenos interview on the
22Passi Blog:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/05/stremmenos-cold-fusion-will-solve.html?m=1
Also, references can be seen in Brian Ahern's replication efforts.
Stremmenos observes that the oxidization coating the nano
At 05:57 AM 7/18/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
Tell me Lomax. Would you destroy the reputations of others to
advance your own.
Would you ask leading questions to preserve your own position?
I reserve what can be called personal attacks for those who
personally attack.
I risk my reputation with
At 10:08 AM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
P.J van Noorden wrote:
It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the
outside air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when
a high pressure system is covering Italy . . .
In the April 28 tests, Lewan reported: we
At 10:46 AM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Jed, this is dead wrong. This is obvious. Suppose you have *almost*
full vaporization, not all the water is boiling, so water level in
the E-Cat will rise.
Almost full vaporization is a degree or two below boiling. That's
At 12:07 PM 7/18/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-07-17 21:16, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
And this was Rossi's answer:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=16#comment-53792
It looks like Rossi has updated his answer on
JONP, without adding a note about that. I
personally
At 12:20 PM 7/18/2011, P.J van Noorden wrote:
To conventionally explain the boilingpoint of 100.5 degrC the
backpressure in the Ecat must have been 30mbar (for a boilingpoint
of 99.6degC) and 20mbar for a boilingpoint of 99.9degC. This
compares to resp 30.6 cm and 20.4cm water and this is
I am not sure if you could do this procedure in any place. In not all
places the accused is allowed to produce evidences against
his/herself.
If Brown didn't say what Rossi claims, I'd
suggest Brown may want those recordings *immediately* subpoenaed. If he did
say that, and if what he said
At 03:15 PM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rossi wrote:
I received him to get those suggestions, curious to know about
what he had to suggest. I was working in my Bologna lab when I
received him and he saw one E-Cat under test for no more that 30
seconds, after which I invited him to exit.
Abd wrote:
Whatever is the cause, that the temperature is nailed shows that there is
steam and water in
equilibrium.
It's only been recently that Rossi admits to achieving completely dry steam,
and from Kullander's
report we can estimate that the steam has less than 2% liquid content (1.4%
Abd wrote:
... that the temperature is nailed shows that there is steam and water in
equilibrium.
This is not a characteristic of dry steam.
It all depends on the consistency of the inlet flow rate and water temperature,
and the reactor's
heat production. With most of the tests the pump
At 03:42 PM 7/18/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote:
[snip]
However, we know that Rossi is, shall we say, enthusiastic, and not
terribly careful about what he says. The 18-hour test allegedly
showed a transient temperature phenomenon that has been interpreted
as 120 kW. Just for starters, that might
At 05:25 PM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office
is the same as the one of this paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 ?
Who else
In one of my comments, I put a website that lists people with given
names up to 200. There are over 200 Julian Browns in the UK, that
is, they exceed the maximum amount allowed to be displayed in the
website. So, that is a common name.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
They were not regulating flow in the 18 hour test. It was a direct feed
from the tap (or spigot), and the utility water-meter served as their
impromptu flow meter.
I don't think it was impromptu. It was installed in the line to the machine,
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Who else would he be? I wasn't aware there was a controversy.
Jed, haven't you read Rossi's comment? He's claiming that Brown is an
imposter.
I missed that.
As far as I know he is the fellow who has been involved in cold fusion for a
long
At 06:13 PM 7/18/2011, ecat builder wrote:
I created a simple wordpress blog where I will try to follow
replicators. (http://ecatbuilder.comecatbuilder.com) I will write
about my research and say what works and what doesn't. Hope to hear
from those with constructive ideas for experiments. If
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Mmmm... this gets pretty complicated. Water at the inlet would obviously be
cooler, much cooler. So there would be a temperature gradient in the E-Cat,
with cooler water near the inlet and hotter water near the outlet.
Only water rising to the
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Jones Beene wrote:
I suspect you were using pure water and it superheated. You were lucky -
superheated water from a microwave can explode and cause a burn.
Microwave coffee explodes. Soup explodes. Spaghetti sauce especially
explodes. So do egg yolks (no shells.)
At 08:49 PM 7/18/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I am not sure if you could do this procedure in any place. In not all
places the accused is allowed to produce evidences against
his/herself.
If Brown didn't say what Rossi claims, I'd
suggest Brown may want those recordings *immediately* subpoenaed.
Any data or estimates as to the volume inside the Rossi device,
available to be filled with water up to the exit hole, and the
additional space above the maximum water level, available to be filled
up with mist, foam, froth, bubbles, and steam?
If the available water volume is, say, 180 cc, then
The meeting took place in Bologna. The thing that could happen is
Brown accusing Rossi of defamation and show a picture of the website
as a proof. If Rossi didn't present defense, the purported recordings,
he would get a sentence. No need for a subpoena.
At 09:20 PM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
They were not regulating flow in the 18 hour test. It was a direct
feed from the tap (or spigot), and the utility water-meter served as
their impromptu flow meter.
I don't
At 09:22 PM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Who else would he be? I wasn't aware there was a controversy.
Jed, haven't you read Rossi's comment? He's claiming that Brown is
an imposter.
I missed that.
As far as I
According to Rossi, high output of heats does yield a lot of
radiation, I think gamma radiation. I think he said somewhere that he
had to stay 30m away from the e-cat so that radiation were not
harmful. I am not sure of this.
At 09:29 PM 7/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Well, Rossi is changing the power when he twiddles the controls.
Maybe he is trying to keep it stable. But anyway if it overflows I
am pretty sure he turns up the power.
How does he know when it overflows? You've been assuming that the
temperature
At 10:22 PM 7/18/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
The meeting took place in Bologna. The thing that could happen is
Brown accusing Rossi of defamation and show a picture of the website
as a proof. If Rossi didn't present defense, the purported recordings,
he would get a sentence. No need for a
I am not referring to US, but to Italy, since I suppose they have a
criminal Law similar to my country, Brazil.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, you are forgetting something. The 120 kW figure was for a very short
time.
About 20 minutes, I think. Long enough to be certain it is real, with this
equipment, at this flow rate.
Water meters don't show flow rate, they show total water
Here's an excerpt from a science news story today about the effect that
hydrogen has on graphene...
perhaps there is some relevance to what happens inside the reactor when the H2
becomes heated and
pressure to increase...
===
Findings of researchers at the Department of
Jed,
Agreed. The 18 hour test, assuming the observations we are given are fact,
would be conclusive.
I made the comment about someone flushing the toilet to demonstrate that some
of the momentary power spikes could be caused by correlating drops in water
pressure. There was no continuous
Robert's statement here, if true, would be tragically hilarious!
It's always possible that A.R.'s too stubborn to listen to criticism and, in
an effort to turn the
E-Cat down, - ended up turning it off.
That would be one for the history books!
-Mark
Be careful about high electric power inputs into a resistor in water
in a small metal cell -- complex thermal corrosion, for example,
cracks in resistor at high temperatures, may lead to electric shorting
and arcing and explosion of the resistor, leading to disruption,
chemical reaction, and
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