Re: [Vo]:World population graphs

2011-10-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/10/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: The bad news is that the population is now approaching 7 billion. The good news is that the growth rate and fertility rate are falling, and contraceptive prevalence is above 60%, although not increasing. so future trend look good. I do not see

RE: [Vo]:OT: Nothing about us, without us!

2011-10-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From: Harry Veeder Nothing about us, without us! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UjZyjFMUC8 water...education..air...free energy... ...And they just tear gassed Occupy Wall Street demonstrations held in California.

[Vo]:OT: Something wrong with the moon

2011-10-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
This is hilarious, including the fact that the presenters of this you tube video would appear dead serious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYglbymnihQNR=1 Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Observers at the October 6th demo.

2011-10-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Sean: It's not scientific, but I've been digging into the people listed as attending the Ross ECat demo on October 6th ...and an interesting list of characters it is. Thanks Sean. Of particular interest to us Americanskian's Paul D Swanson, SPAWAR/DARPA I wonder what Mr. Swanson's

Re: [Vo]:World population graphs

2011-10-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: I do not see why this is good or bad news. With eCat we can have vertical agriculture, because we can remove the only obstacle why we do not have yet vertical farming, that is the obstacle of producing cheap light. Actually there are some

[Vo]:ECAT Temperature Probe Not Touching Fins or Flow Rate High

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
I have been conducting a review of a graph of the ECAT internal temperature (T2) versus time. This graph reveals some important facts concerning the operation of the ECAT which can be uncovered with a bit of effort. I am including several of the discoveries that I have uncovered for the

Re: [Vo]:Observers at the October 6th demo.

2011-10-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.10.2011 15:48, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson: From Sean: It's not scientific, but I've been digging into the people listed as attending the Ross ECat demo on October 6th ...and an interesting list of characters it is. Thanks Sean. Of particular interest to us

[Vo]:movin and gorven now

2011-10-26 Thread fznidarsic
I found a HDMI cable for $20 on the internet, 10 ft long, and it works fine. Plugged my computer into my flat panel TV with it. Hooked up the computers TV input to the cable. Got a wireless keyboard form Amazon, KeySonic, with built in touch pad. It works nice. Fixed my easy char, I am

Re: [Vo]:0.9 g/s primary flow was probably not the incoming flow rate

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
I am now in agreement with your assumption that the water input flow rate is quite a bit greater than I was assuming. I based my previous estimated rate on the October report of Lewan and now think it is incorrect. Several issues still do not make sense at the moment. How were they able to

Re: [Vo]:ECAT Temperature Probe Not Touching Fins or Flow Rate High

2011-10-26 Thread Robert Lynn
It can be determined that the probe measuring T2 is not in thermal contact with the heat sink attached to the core modules. This observation is clearly revealed by the following logic. At Mats Lewan’s October test time of 13:38 we first see output in the secondary loop of the heat

Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now

2011-10-26 Thread Terry Blanton
I'm sure you intended this message for twitter.com T On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I found a HDMI cable for $20 on the internet, 10 ft long, and it works fine.  Plugged my computer into my flat panel TV with it.  Hooked up the computers TV input to the cable.  

Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now

2011-10-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Frank sez: I would also like a nice woman instead of this cat who keep jumping on my laptop keyboard. While we are tweeting... Make sure she isn't allergic to cats. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now

2011-10-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
You will need a larger keyboard or a very small woman! -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now Frank sez: I would also

Re: [Vo]:ECAT Temperature Probe Not Touching Fins or Flow Rate High

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
At the time this measurement was performed, the water had not been boiling and air is occupying the space above it. This would cause a high humidity, but I am not sure that much condensation would occur. Do you still think that the condensation would be adequate to keep the probe reading

Re: [Vo]:ECAT Temperature Probe Not Touching Fins or Flow Rate High

2011-10-26 Thread Robert Lynn
At 0.85bar partial pressure of steam there would definitely be enough. Heat pipes in general, and particulalrly those utilising steam have incredible rates of heat transfer. On 26 October 2011 18:12, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: At the time this measurement was performed, the water

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark

2011-10-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
The melting point of nickel , 1453°C, would only occur very locally as a result of IRH migrating between acute nano geometry and undergoing whatever reaction theory you happen to endorse. It won't happen without the geometry and if that much heat occurs the geometry will become plastic and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark

2011-10-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-10-25 10:40 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Andrea Rossi said to reporters: We do not use radioactive materials, do not leave radioactive material and the highes temperature we can reach is the melting point of nickel : once the nickel melts, the E-Cat stops and this fact makes

Re: [Vo]:Observers at the October 6th demo.

2011-10-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.10.2011 17:36, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 26.10.2011 15:48, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson: From Sean: It's not scientific, but I've been digging into the people listed as attending the Ross ECat demo on October 6th ...and an interesting list of characters it is. Thanks

Re: [Vo]:Observers at the October 6th demo.

2011-10-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
On 10/26/2011 2:14 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: And nobody clarifys this and all false rumours resulting from this are welcome and happily blown up and propagated for true as always in the free energy and LENR scene. I agree this is a circus, but such things are rare in LENR research. It is

[Vo]:Cold Fusion and Government Taxation

2011-10-26 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, IF Rossi is successful , as I expect, I wonder what will the world governments will do on taxation? Governments cannot resist. Will almost free energy be killed by taxation. Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and Government Taxation

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
That might very well be the way big oil and other giant energy companies keep a major portion of the energy market once the energy catalyzer type products start damaging them. On the flip side, the push for climate change solutions may force the issue in the other direction. It depends upon

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now

2011-10-26 Thread fznidarsic
That's not all. I found a way to get the pictures from my Accullade phone to download into my computer without going through Verizon. Its a program called BitPim. I am also watching the cartoon Peppa Pig in various languages. Sorry Jed no Japanese yet. Boines dies Peppa. Guten morgen

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and Government Taxation

2011-10-26 Thread Terry Blanton
DGT speaks on this in their forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=359 (Google translate) The fuel tax would be feasible if there was some form of combustion in the core Hyperions. No burning does not take place for the production of heat energy. The taxation of raw

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and Government Taxation

2011-10-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Governments cannot resist. Will almost free energy be killed by taxation. I do not think the voters would allow that. As I have often pointed out, cold fusion will save the average US citizen roughly $2000 per year, $8000 for a family of four. That's

[Vo]:movin and gorven now/need advice

2011-10-26 Thread fznidarsic
Cold fusion is not the only thing I have been working on. I have developed a device that detects when the ground wire breaks in a mine. Obama has inspired me with has call to innovate. I may have a customer for the mining device. I have also developed an automotive cell phone adapter,

[Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I have built a SPICE circuit simulation model of the manifold --- and the results are VERY BAD An initial small-scale model indicates that the ENTIRE top of the manifold is contaminated by the HOT side. Even with a stepped manifold (representing the various pipe fittings) , and with

Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now/need advice

2011-10-26 Thread Terry Blanton
Times I used 12. Times my used 3. T On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:39 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Cold fusion is not the only thing I have been working on.  I have developed a device that detects when the ground wire breaks in a mine. Obama has inspired me with has call to innovate.  I may

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
Maybe you have an error with your simulation since the number does not seem to match the real world results. What kind of flow did you assume in the primary? I think that vapor condensation is where the most action is since that takes so much more energy than cooling the hot condensed

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:55 PM 10/26/2011, David Roberson wrote: Maybe you have an error with your simulation since the number does not seem to match the real world results. What kind of flow did you assume in the primary? I think that vapor condensation is where the most action is since that takes so much more

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
Your simulation looks interesting and might generate good correlation when it is honed in. I would expect the heat exchanger manifold body to settle at a temperature somewhere between the ECAT exit temperature and the output water temperature of the exchanger. The relative flow rates must

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/overall-heat-transfer-coefficients-d_284.html water-copper-air is 13.1 (W/m2 K) steam-copper-air is 17 And for flowing water/steam, I think that the MASS flow is what counts, not the volume flow, so there isn't a big transferdifference between the two.

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
There is a problem with you simulation, in my opinion. The number of cells in your model increases linearly with the distance from the flow. But it increases linearly because your model is 2D. If it were a 3D model, the number of cells would increase by the square of the distance, and the

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread David Roberson
I was referring to the fact that the steam is condensing and not just loosing heat slowly along the entire distance. We know that the stream consists of entirely water some where near the end of the primary exchanger output port. The pipes from that point forth are in the form of a plumbing

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:44 PM 10/26/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: There is a problem with you simulation, in my opinion. The number of cells in your model increases linearly with the distance from the flow. But it increases linearly because your model is 2D. If it were a 3D model, the number of cells would increase

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:48 PM 10/26/2011, David Roberson wrote: I was referring to the fact that the steam is condensing and not just loosing heat slowly along the entire distance. The manifold section of pipe is very short compared to the length of the hose from the eCat, and the (effective) length inside the

Re: [Vo]:Manifold mispositioning makes measurements meaningless

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, are you sure? If you see the object in 3D, the object is not symmetrical, so, it is not a matter of just increasing the radial value. 2011/10/26 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At 04:44 PM 10/26/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: There is a problem with you simulation, in my opinion. The number of

Re: [Vo]:movin and grovin/need advice

2011-10-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:33 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:movin and gorven now/need advice Times I used 12. Times my used 3. T YOU

Re: [Vo]:Making Sense of ECAT Water Pump Flow Rate

2011-10-26 Thread Colin Hercus
The manufacturers data sheet indicates it has variable rate and *variable stroke* pump and doesn't indicate that a tube can be replaced or even that it's a peristaltic pump. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 10:34 PM 10/19/2011, David Roberson wrote: I

[Vo]:An interesting Steve jobs quote for Professor Rossi

2011-10-26 Thread Ron Kita
Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s customer

2011-10-26 Thread ecat builder
Daniele Passerini has reported that the customer interested in the MW reactor it is a well-known and largest industrial group http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/ecat-customer-is-large-well-known.html Perhaps GE or Siemens? Speculations? - Brad p.s. Rossi said on his blog that the 1MW

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s customer

2011-10-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Like usually, Daniele is misinformed with his rumors. The real Customer is Maddelena! –Jouni PS. please clean up the subject line, before sending the message. For messages with reply only Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer, is enough. Having Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s customer

2011-10-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
hmm there is something wrong with the tagging... –Jouni 2011/10/27 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com: Like usually, Daniele is misinformed with his rumors. The real Customer is Maddelena!    –Jouni PS. please clean up the subject line, before sending the message. For messages

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Rossi’s customer

2011-10-26 Thread craig
Funny you should mention GE. When I heard that Passerini had said the customer is "a well-known large industrial group" I immediately thought of GE, (who wouldn't), although I suppose it could be any one of a few other big name players.Anyway, I sent an enquiry to three of GE's senior press people