That is the plan. With the help of Jed's archives, other private emails,
the loan cell supplier and our local uni, we are confident to produce a
simple FPE demo device that can be supplied to a wide market.
AG
On 12/26/2011 5:13 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
...The history of demo cells in CF is
Some insights from quantum mechanics…
Spontaneous parametric down-conversion
Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_parametric_down-conversion
The rule that comes out of this quantum mechanical process is that energy
is shared approximately equally between N entangled particles
I take you do not read what I have written on this subject? We were
ready to do a deal for the 1 MW thermal plant but Rossi suggested we
wait as he is not ready to sell us a high temp thermal oil 1 MW E-Cat
plant. Why? Because the plant is still in RD and the necessary
technical specifications
Energy teleportation in an entangled system.
The following references explains that the extreame amount of nuclear
energy derived from the cold fusion of a cooper pair of protons into the
nickel nucleus is teleported far from the nickel lattice and widely
dispersed in the hydrogen envelope of the
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This is an interesting discussion but I have one question. The reference you
mentioned suggests that the process of down conversion is extraordinarily
inefficient and that the probability of a gamma being down converted is
virtually nil. Did I misunderstand this for some reason? Is the
Hi Aussie,
I expect what Rossi will offer us is a complete package,
including the 330 Ac kW gen set, all tied up with a
nicely integrated NI thermal kW and Ac kW control system.
That would be nice. When Rossi is ready to offer the
system to us, we are ready to evaluate his offering.
Do you
This could be extremely valuable for the field, and profitable for AG. It
would be great to bring these to ICCF-17.
Measuring ~1 W is not difficult. I recommend a Seebeck calorimeter. It
simplifies matters and it has a large s/n ratio compared to other types, in
this range of power. At ~10 W or
In Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) as a process in quantum
optics, a nonlinear crystal is used to split photons into pairs of other
photons. The efficiency of that process is proportional to the amount of
quantum mechanical entanglement that is produced by the incident laser on
the
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
I take you do not read what I have written on this subject?
I try but sometimes my email client hiccups. Last I remember, you had
sealed a deal with Rossi and getting a whatever-watt plant was just around
the
Here's what Rossi wrote today (good old Rossi -- always worth a laugh):
1. Andrea Rossi
December 26th, 2011 at 11:39
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=7#comment-157154
Dear Francesco Fiorenzani: I hope within 2012. We must have a production
of 1 million
MaryYugo Wrote:
Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the
loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling.
You'd be the first. That's for sure.
I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close
the loop, or why the high school students who made
Hello group,
Have a read at this. I can't tell whether these emails are to be trusted
or not (personally I believe they're authentic), but it appears that
some individuals in the US Department of Energy believe that LENRs are
possible, after all.
Might this be a good thing? McKubre recently
On 2011-12-26 19:23, Mary Yugo wrote:
Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the loop and
make them self running except for (rare) refueling. You'd be the
first. That's for sure.
With a small thermal excess power it's not trivial to close the loop in
my opinion. It
Perhaps the same entanglement is responsible for the fusion such that if a
seemingly low probability fusion event occurs under these circumstances then
the down conversion will also occur? Two different facets of the same
environmental cause?
Fran
Axil Axil
Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:33:20 -0800
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
With a small thermal excess power it's not trivial to close the loop in my
opinion.
Agreed it's not trivial. But I was addressing Aussie Guy who said his
devices have a COP of 5 in the range of watts and
MaryYugo Wrote:
Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the
loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling.
You'd be the first. That's for sure.
I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close
the loop, or why the high school
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello group,
Have a read at this. I can't tell whether these emails are to be trusted
or not (personally I believe they're authentic), but it appears that some
individuals in the US Department of Energy
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
I think the majority of the Vort Collective understands the fact that Vorl
and MY believe most CF/LENR claims are nothing more than horse manure.
I
Good information. Thanks for posting.
Possibly relevant to LENR, but too complicated to be sure.
Masahiro Hotta has other papers on this at --
http://arxiv.org/find/grp_physics/1/AND+au:+Hotta_Masahiro+abs:+energy/0/1/0/all/0/1
His more recent paper --
Quantum Energy Teleportation: An
On 11-12-26 01:51 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-12-26 19:23, Mary Yugo wrote:
Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the loop and
make them self running except for (rare) refueling. You'd be the
first. That's for sure.
With a small thermal excess power it's not
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting with
Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the loop is called
running in heat after death mode. Fleischmann once called it fully
ignited, borrowing
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting with
Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the loop is called
running
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting
with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the
loop is called running in heat after death mode. Fleischmann
once called it fully ignited,
On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie Guy made
it, is for a device with a COP of 5 over an input measured in watts,
then why not close the loop? What COP would you need? 10? 100?
what? Defkalion, by the way, claims 35x.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie Guy made it,
is for a device with a COP of 5 over an input measured in watts, then why
not close the loop? What
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
In practice the requirement to close the loop with a wet CF cell is likely
to be more stringent than that.
I understand but, not to drive this into the ground, why is it necessarily
so? Is there nothing you can do to such a cell to get a higher delta
On 11-12-26 03:26 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Try responding to a real argument: if the claim, as Aussie
Guy made it, is for a
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Now, to take up your second question, should it be possible to build a wet
CF cell which gives enough thermal boost due to the PF effect so that you
can get something useful out of it? Jed and Ed Storms have, IIRC, both
alleged that it should be
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature.
I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous literature and
answer the question -- see below for a clarification.
Cells running heat after death have
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
hey figure that people who do not believe calorimetry would not believe
this demonstration either. They have a good point. If someone revealed a
device of this nature, Mary Yugo would surely say it must be fake, with
Fran:
Good point.
I think the evidence supports the hypothesis that, *whatever* LENR is, it is
not a single event; there are likely several different processes happening
depending on what kind of system one has (e.g., electrochemical or
gas-phase), and that it may also be a cascade of separate
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature.
I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous literature and
answer the question . . .
No can do. I learned years ago there is no point to spoon feeding
information to skeptics. First they
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd believe almost anything, including most particularly Defkalion and
Rossi claims, if they were properly tested, the tests were independently
and properly replicated and someone or some organization I trusted did them.
No you will not believe almost
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature.
I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous literature and
answer the question . . .
No can do. I learned
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
OK, I will wait further for the information. It is pretty important to me
to determine if it is at all possible for enough energy to be stored and
then released to achieve Rossi's results. A good model such as your
On Dec 26, 2011, at 16:57, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
With Rossi and Defkalion truly acting and writing like clowns, it's not hard
to see why there is no major press coverage or much of anything else going
on, a full year after the original announcement and hoopla. And Aussie
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Cells running heat after death have closed the loop. Apart from them, no
laboratory scale device can produce electricity.The implication is
clear. The cells can produce electricity. If that isn't what you meant,
just say so.
Obviously I mean they
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Arata ran a small motor with one heated by a self-sustaining gas-loaded
cell.
Cool! Did anyone verify this or replicate it? And how long did it run and
at what output level?
Why is it that specific questions as to
We need to generate electricity. To do that we need more than 120 deg C
steam. So we wait for the high temp thermal oil E-Cat. The fame belongs
to FP. I'm nothing more than a system integrator. As for closing the
loop with a thermal FPE device, you do understand the Carnot cycle? If
not,
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
It must do more than barely exceed the limits of chemistry, what ever
exactly that is.
The first report in the literature showed it exceeding the limits by a
factor of 1,700. That's not barely; that is a lot. Like a person pole
vaulting 10 km high.
If you
I know he is very busy. I see getting the NI control system working very
well is his current priority. I agree with that. I do know electricity
generation is a high priority. He needs to show this before Defkalion
does. The first to show electricity generation from their device will
gain high
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717
Better link:
http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/
AG
On 12/27/2011 9:19 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717
MaryYugo asks:
Why is it that specific questions as to power output and duration are, to
some cold fusion advocates, like sunshine to vampires?
And Mary, the same could be said for your ANONYMOUS modeler. When asked in
a very polite, respectful manner some specific questions by Dave
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Better link:
http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/
An email to Mr. X? Hah! Now we know who Rossi's anonymous buyer is. It's
none other than Mr. X!!
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
MaryYugo asks:
“Why is it that specific questions as to power output and duration are, to
some cold fusion advocates, like sunshine to vampires?”
** **
And Mary, the same could be said for your
What no comment on this:
My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis
Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that
over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of
producing energy much greater that chemical reactions, with
I think that the frequency of the outgoing down-converted photons will
remain the same whether the incoming high frequency photon is absorbed by
one atom or collectively by N-atoms. A coherent multi-atom absorption
will create a Schroedinger-Cat-like state of one excited atom and (N-1)
ground
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
What no comment on this:
My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis
Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over
100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR
This pretty much sums it up.
If there is anything I have learned from the pathoskeps over the past year
is that intellectual and well-reasoned arguments are not really necessary to
get your point across, and that annoying repetition can be effective.
-m
Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are
listed. I find it amazing how easily you put down Dr. Bushnell, casting
aside his statement as if it has no value? MY if you were really after
the truth, you could have seen a working FPE device by now.
AG
On 12/27/2011
Your assuming their pay check allows them to change their opinion. MY
and others put in so much time that I feel they have a stake in the game
and it is not about FPE devices being accepted as real.
AG
On 12/27/2011 10:00 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
This pretty much sums it up…
“If
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are
listed.
I don't want to pester him by telephone but I am thinking of sending an
email. I'd rather someone from the press do it -- perhaps
And here I thought I was the only person to get those. Damn I'm not so
special alter all. Oh well time to play with my FPE cell. Did I tell you
I have learned how to make it levitate and act like a room temperature
superconducting ring magnet? Amazing technology. Now if I can just get
the
http://i.imgur.com/YdetE.png
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/YdetE.png
That was a response by Aber0der to this Alsetalokin remark:
I'll buy a Mac when you can pour water in one end and make espresso with
the steam from the internal iEcat out the other end.
Here:
Looks like it may have been a fake letter. The original site about the
September letter has already taken it down:
AG, I would like to get my hands on one of those levitating FPE devices. My
UFO drive needs to be improved since the old one has exhausted its N-H system.
Have you had to change a flat when far away from home?
Actually, I want to congratulate you for your efforts in this field. We need
to
Mary,
I would like very much to work with your acquaintance to see how his model
compares to some of the in dept analysis I completed upon the October 6 test
data.
I totally understand how his model must work and just want to see how it
represents some of the fingerprints of LENR that I
On 2011-12-27 02:31, Ahsoka Tano wrote:
Looks like it may have been a fake letter. The original site about the
September letter has already taken it down:
The URL you provided appears to be wrong. This one works:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ahsoka Tano ashot...@gmail.com wrote:
It is also highly unlikely that a DOE public official such as Opdenaker will
advocate, even in jest, a statement such as: Perhaps the thing to do is to
go out and buy a whole boatload of nickel futures!
Palladium futures
At 07:32 PM 12/25/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H
cell as a FPE device.
You can call a pig an eagle, but that won't make it fly.
Seriously, the term Fleischman-Pons effect is taken. It usually
refers to the Fleischman-Pons
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
It
looks like someone has shorted Ni futures (bought Ni for delivery in 6 mos.
at today's price).
T
I say DDSLA, Different Dog, Same Leg Action. Until it is proven what
causes the FPE is not what causes the Ni-H effect, I'll continue to
refer to ALL such devices as FPE devices. I will not stand by and see
FP denied the right to the effect they discovered. To go further, after
we start
At 03:14 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek mailto:vorl@antichef.comvorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary,
I would like very much to work with your acquaintance to see how his
model compares to some of the in dept analysis I completed upon the October
6 test data.
I totally understand how his model must work and
At 03:19 PM 12/26/2011, Vorl Bek wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting
with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the
loop is called running in heat after death mode.
At 04:27 PM 12/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mary Yugo mailto:maryyu...@gmail.commaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you stop guessing and read the literature.
I suggest you stop referring vaguely to some amorphous literature
and answer the question . . .
No can do. I learned years ago
At 04:52 PM 12/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mary Yugo mailto:maryyu...@gmail.commaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd believe almost anything, including most particularly Defkalion
and Rossi claims, if they were properly tested, the tests were
independently and properly replicated and someone or
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
You have not even bothered to look at most, and the few that you claim you
read you say make no sense and are poorly written.
Jed, that's really unfair. You are mixing up two very different
situations, the Rossi/Defkalion issue, and the full
At 05:31 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Arata ran a small motor with one heated by a self-sustaining gas-loaded cell.
Cool! Did anyone verify this or replicate it? And how long did it
At 06:19 PM 12/26/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
What no comment on this:
My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis
Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me
that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real,
capable of producing
At 06:27 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.comaussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
What no comment on this:
My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis
Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley
As I read Dr Bushnell, he is saying 5 things: 1) Excess heat is real and
has been replicated in 100s of labs around the world. 2) The scale of
the heat generated is beyond current chemistry. 3) What is being
observed to occur is not Fusion (Hot or Cold) as it is currently
understood. 4) WL
The applicability of deflation fusion concepts to fusion, especially
Ni plus hydrogen fusion were discussed here:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NiProtonRiddle.pdf
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html
The probability of the deflated electron state is increased as
I'm a new member of the list, but I'm reading the posts since January. I'm
addicted...
If we have a large COP (10-100), I believe we can use thin film
thermogenerators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectricity) such as
these http://www.micropelt.com/down/datasheet_mpg_d651_d751.pdf to make
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind of
super-battery, probably worth billions just for that. Unfortunately
for this battery idea, ... helium.
You appear to have ignored the
The 2.5 x 2.5 mm device has a max power output of approx 0.8 mW at 10
deg K differential. Assuming 1 Watt excess with a COP 5 yields 200 mW
input. Would need around 300 of the MPG-D615 devices with fitted finned
heat sinks to each device's COLD side to get good thermal transfer into
the air.
Hi Abd Lomax,
I'm glad to see you posting a lot now, and expressing strong doubts about Rossi.
Are you continuing to develop your low cost tiny CF kits for
electrolytic codeposition of Pd in deuterium heavy water electrolyte,
using plastic to record the impacts of any generated neutrons,
On Dec 26, 2011, at 22:10, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Then there is that pesky Coulomb barrier. What I found, though, was that
there was ample opinion among quantum physicists that it was possible that
the unexplored conditions of condensed matter just might provide
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'll comment on it: he went on to say, but it isn't fusion.
That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker,
Widom-Larsen theory, and isolated, idiosyncratic attempt to explain
LENR by coming up with even more preposterous hypotheses, none of
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