On Dec 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:17:21
-0900:
Hi,
[snip]
It is notable that the
radioactive isotopes of these elements tend to have nonzero nuclear
magnetic moments.
...notable perhaps, but hardly
Sorry for the prior accidental post with no new content.
On Dec 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:17:21
-0900:
Hi,
[snip]
It is notable that the
radioactive isotopes of these elements tend to have nonzero nuclear
Thanks for the reference, Jay
Thanks for downloading the documents, Horace - I kept getting the busy
signal from the site.
I do not know why consistency of experimental results is a show-stopper
for the examiner. Shouldn't all cancer therapies be ruled unpatentable by
that standard?
The
From: Jed Rothwell
Big difference. There is no evidence that hydrogen fusion is involved in
Rossi.
There is no evidence it isn't. No one has checked, as far as I know.
Really? The highest quality testing which was performed in Bologna was
radiation monitoring.
Top notch instrumentation and
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Big difference. There is no evidence that hydrogen fusion is involved in
Rossi.
There is no evidence it isn't. No one has checked, as far as I know.
- Jed
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/28/hagelstein-knew-its-not-fusion/
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X
I have to consider a reaction that only occurs in extreme relativistic
warp induced by suppression of larger virtual particles - the resulting
radiation would have to likewise translate from this extreme warp back to
normal space before we
To clarify one point. Gammas are not always seen in Pd-D experiments -
especially with simple Geiger type monitors. In the early days, gammas were
even said to be absent.
Then with better instrumentation - gammas started to show up - even in
watt-level experiments.
Rothwell was among the most
At 10:10 AM 12/29/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
high altitude airships now flight testing: Rich Murray 2011.12.29
Fascinating stuff : the weather / piloting
http://airshipstothearctic.com/docs/pr/Weather_and_Piloting.pdf was
particularly interesting
Dynamic monte-carlo weather simulation
Jones,
Nice argument regarding fusion - I thought a relativistic
interpretation had to leave the possibility of fusion open but you are correct
in citing the lack of nuclear ash to rule out fusion. I know there are some
claims of transmuted elements being detected - Were you implying
On Dec 28, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
You were talking about protons. I can think of only two examples
where the
binding energy of a proton is negative.
1. Protium.
2. Helium.
Bingo. But do not miss the forest for the trees.
At 10:57 PM 12/28/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
Wow.
Rossi had better hope he doesn't get the same examiner. (Particularly
failure to disclose best mode -- which doesn't even have to be
active concealment).
All the prior art stuff is well done.
A couple of quibbles ... rather fatal to
And perhaps it is the translation from normal 2d to Casimir type 3d by change
in conductivity and spacing of the mirror layers that is at work, where locally
the gas atoms perceive the spatial distance between the boundaries varying
rapidly while from our perspective it is only the mirror
On 12/28 Jones Beene said [snip] Fusion is completely ruled out since the
reactants are far too
cold. It is a mistake to think that gammas can be shielded by low density
elements. This would be too easy to demonstrate, if it were true.[/snip]
Jones, although I don't think this is fusion either I
On 11-12-29 12:02 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.
That's a tough one.
Descartes's proof was defective, of course -- it proved only that I
I do not mean they got no positive results at all. As I recall, they got
small results and made little progress toward reproducibility. One of them
retired and the project ground to a halt.
- Jed
On 29 Dec 2011, at 14:17, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.
That's a tough one.
Descartes's proof was defective, of course -- it proved only that I do not
see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not exist. Among
other
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Rothwell was among the most vocal proponents of using gamma spectroscopy as
proof of LENR, so it is a bit surprising that he seems to be backtracking a
bit.
I am not backtracking. That's silly. Gamma rays have been seen, but never
at levels
At 09:43 AM 12/29/2011, David ledin wrote:
Extraordinary Evidence of nuclear reaction in cold fusion experiment.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2006/2006ExtraordinaryEvidence.pdf
... a grin spread across Gordon's face.
This is great, he beamed. In the old days, we couldn't even start
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
There is no evidence it isn't. No one has checked, as far as I know.
Really? The highest quality testing which was performed in Bologna was
radiation monitoring.
You would not catch cold fusion Pd D+D reactions with this. They do not
produce
On 12/29/2011 12:14 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Christmas comet, named Lovejoy no less:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398066,00.asp
http://www.space.com/14045-spectacular-christmas-comet-amazes-skywatchers-ch
ile.html
This kind of thing had staggering importance a few thousand years ago ...
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Could they no longer get the *original* *cell* to work, or was it just new
cells that didn't work?
As far as I know they used the same cell, but different cathodes. In cold
fusion, when you fail to reproduce most of the time the problem is in the
On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of
failing to exist.
The only
Extraordinary Evidence of nuclear reaction in cold fusion experiment.
Scientists at the U.S. Navy’s San Diego SPAWAR Systems Center have
produced something unique in the 17-year history of the scientific
drama
historically known as cold fusion: simple, portable, highly
repeatable,unambiguous, and
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
They cannot fuse. Surprisingly many vorticians apparently do not
realize that this reaction is strongly endothermic.
This is false. Consider:
H + H -- D + e+ + v + 0.42 MeV
That is half the story. You neglect the threshold condition.
Come on guys! What the proof is of the existence of this big customer ? A
lot of Rossi's words of course, a mysteriuos engineer named Fioravanti
(Colonel uh ?) Retired ? Unenployed ? Not appearing anywhere in any
phonebook or internet professional board ... ?!
Just for the record, Fioravanti is
high altitude airships now flight testing: Rich Murray 2011.12.29
This technology, now growing exponentially, will in a decade put huge
solar powered airships into one-week spirals into orbit, and then into
orbit around Moon, Mars, and entire solar system, in perfect safety
without polluting,
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence
sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of
At 11:31 AM 12/29/2011, Jones Beene wrote:
Makes no sense to argue
otherwise. Bite the bullet. There is no evidence of
hydrogen fusion in Rossi; and there are many hours of data showing that
no
radiation over background is occurring - and moreover it was done using
a
very capable monitoring
I read this almost five years ago. Am I missing something here?
(he said removing the Q-Tip from his ear)
T
Primarily for the theorists in the Collective.
This from the Ni-H yahoo group...
-Mark
I try to explain it:
All you have to do is, to put the electron from the H-atom nearer to the
nucleus and Fusion will happen.
From the K-electron capture from Be-7 I know, that a
On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 10:57 PM 12/28/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
Wow.
Rossi had better hope he doesn't get the same examiner.
(Particularly failure to disclose best mode -- which doesn't even
have to be active concealment).
All the prior art stuff is
On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
They cannot fuse. Surprisingly many vorticians apparently do not
realize that this reaction is strongly endothermic.
This is false. Consider:
H + H -- D + e+ + v + 0.42 MeV
That is half
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Primarily for the theorists in the Collective…
This from the Ni-H yahoo group...
Add a smitch of neodymium and a dash of boron and you probably have a WMD!
:-)
HNY!
T
On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-12-29 12:02 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.
That's a tough one.
Complete nonsense.
The monitor used by Rossi's team in January is specifically designed to detect
positrons, which must be there if there is to be H+H fusion. None were detected.
All other forms of fusion with nickel produce radioisotopes of varying
half-lives - easy to detect - which Rossi
On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Primarily for the theorists in the Collective…
This from the Ni-H yahoo group...
-Mark
I try to explain it:
All you have to do is, to put the electron from the H-atom nearer
to the nucleus and Fusion will
Kai Tønder
December 29th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
Dear Rossi,
Will it be possible to connect your unit to a 12V car battery? I would
like to use it at a hut where we do not have any other form for power
then 12V.
Also, is one unit sufficient to keep a jacuzzi warm ?
If yes to both, please add me to
Ah yes, I see. Are you then saying the FPE Alchemists used a
Philosopher's stone to generate all the observed transmutations?
AG
On 12/30/2011 8:58 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Once again - there is ZERO evidence of fusion. And for that matter -
there is no evidence for any known nuclear reaction.
Not fair. I had that idea to use a 5 kW Hyperion or 10 kW E-Cat to heat
my spa. Big market there and very low tech. Of course via external heat
exchanger as who knows what spa water would do to the inside of a FPE
reactor. Hot Tub Time Machine???
AG
On 12/30/2011 9:32 AM, Alan J Fletcher
On Dec 29, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Complete nonsense.
I like your candor! 8^)
The monitor used by Rossi's team in January is specifically
designed to detect positrons, which must be there if there is to be
H+H fusion. None were detected.
Yes. I stated this in my
Jones Beene wrote:
Complete nonsense.
The monitor used by Rossi's team in January is specifically designed
to detect positrons, which must be there if there is to be H+H fusion.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that like saying there must be
neutrons if D+D fusion is occurring? It is
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Horace,
Thanks for the comment.
What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations.
I will check out your theory.
Do you believe any new
Looks like the Philosopher's Stone was working overtime ;)
AG
On 12/30/2011 9:46 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
and for some amusement on the side:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MalloveEalchemynig.pdf
On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 10:10 AM 12/29/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
high altitude airships now flight testing: Rich Murray 2011.12.29
Fascinating stuff : the weather / piloting http://
airshipstothearctic.com/docs/pr/Weather_and_Piloting.pdf was
particularly
22passi on 21 December :
Mr Kilowatt finisce in bellezza (Mr Kilowatt ending in Beauty)
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/12/mr-kilowatt-finisce-in-bellezza.html
The following from google translate (I'm not sure if the links come
through .. go via 22passi )
Tonight at 21 on Radio24 , Maurizio
Horace
* Once again - there is ZERO evidence of fusion. And for that matter -
there is no evidence for any known nuclear reaction.
How about the detection of gammas by Celani on start-up and shut down?
Celani is credible. The gammas admittedly could be faked.
Yes Celani is
Well finding deuterium would be definitive proof of 'something anomalous'
but not fusion, since they can absolutely rule out ALL varieties of hydrogen
fusion now. You absolutely have to get rid of a positive charge somehow to
get to deuterium, and no positron is seen in an instrument designed for
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Horace,
Thanks for the comment.
What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations.
I
Could be an unknown reaction going on here??? You mean There is an
unknown reaction going on here. As for salvaging, there is nothing to
salvage. The experiment rules. Game, Set, Match.
Should I again mention the observed transmutations? Yea I know, they
can't be real as there are no nuclear
On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
wrote:
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Horace,
Thanks
I'm pretty sure you have not followed this thread very closely, or else you are
a bit too trustworthy of Rossi.
What observed transmutations are you speaking of? Please do not say this is
what AR told me. BTW, nickel to copper is NOT an acceptable answer. There is
no
such thing as nickel to
You must be joking? Right? Jed's archives are full of reports of
transmutations. Even the high school kids reported transmutations. May I
suggest you need to step outside your Standard Model mind set and
actually read what other are reporting? Remember the Experiment Rules.
There are
OK - I see that you are conflating prior LENR with Rossi. That is easy to do,
but complicates everything.
We are in agreement that LENR is very strange if you try to distill knowledge
from the full range, since it covers too much territory to make easy
generalizations. Deuterium experiments
Transmutations are observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
Excess heat is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems. Lack
of radiation is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
Heat after Death is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
DDSLA
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:16:32 -0800:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
Yes, and that is why - by convention - one atom of thickness is treated as
2D. Were you not aware of that? In the abstract, an atom thickness may not
be true 2D, but it always works out that way with high
Electric Scooter Project Video #4.
http://youtu.be/lcfUoS30LgM
Harry
On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM,
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Horace
Ø Once again - there is ZERO evidence of fusion. And for that
matter - there is no evidence for any known nuclear reaction.
How about the detection of gammas by Celani on start-up and shut
down? Celani is credible. The gammas
Horace, have you heard about the degenerate state in focus fusion device
for pB11 fusion?
2011/12/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08
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