Periodinc dumping of H seems not true for me.
the tank would be empty quickly, and it would be dangerous.
DGT clearly said that no Vent is done, except in catastrophic situation,
that induce shutdown and maintenance.
however maybe is there a reversible storage (I have seen here a pattented
device
Here is the link to that
device http://www.ergenics.com/page22.htm
On 25/01/12 07:59, Alain Sepeda wrote:
Periodinc dumping of H seems not true for me.
the tank would be empty quickly, and it would be dangerous.
DGT clearly said that no "Vent" is done,
DGT has accused Rossi of using an idea or design which they came up with,
and IIRC, they were referring to the flat, rectangular-shaped reactor core
that Rossi began using instead of the cylindrical design seen in the first
several demos in early 2011. So I think Rossi is now using something akin
On 2012-01-24 13:13, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
Daniele Passerini (22passi) appears to imply that what Krivit said is
not true and that before propagating such news to the Internet, people
should wait for an official statement by the university of Bologna:
In the same time there is no indication
that the Contact is or will be signed.
Peter
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2012-01-24 13:13, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
Daniele Passerini (22passi) appears to imply that what Krivit
Meanwhile,
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com responds with :
The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.
Does this mean that an other rossi contract has been terminated ?
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
To:
2012/1/25 zer tte c_foreig...@yahoo.com
Meanwhile,
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com responds with :
The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.
Does this mean that an other rossi contract has been terminated ?
--
*From:* Peter
Hi,
Can we establish a link between rossi's related annoucements and jonp
downtimes ?
How long do those downtimes usually last ?
(i'm not a regular visitor of jonp but i guess the vortex collective has the
answer)
Thank you.
On 2012-01-24 13:13, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
It appears that the contract with Rossi has been formally terminated,
but the University of Bologna is still open to experimentations:
Hi People,
It seems that when I reply to vortex list, my reply answer does not go to
the group, but directly to the email of the person to who I am replying. Is
this an error in my email or is it from the list?
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Hi Mats,
No problem! I did like your blog! :-)
I have some question concerning the October 28th test, but not about the
test itself. Was Levi with Rossi all the time? What about Focardi? Did any
of them witness the whole test? What about the reporter of the AP? Did he
also spend the whole time
On 2012-01-25 12:58, Daniel Rocha wrote:
It seems that when I reply to vortex list, my reply answer does not go
to the group, but directly to the email of the person to who I am
replying. Is this an error in my email or is it from the list?
I think that what you received was supposed to be a
Oh, right. But it's weird. I got it with a [VO] in the title
2012/1/25 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2012-01-25 12:58, Daniel Rocha wrote:
It seems that when I reply to vortex list, my reply answer does not go
to the group, but directly to the email of the person to who I
BTW, you need to put the
vortex email address (vortex-l@eskimo.com) in the reply-to field
of your email client otherwise replies to your questions don't go
the mailing list but only you.
On 25/01/12 11:45, zer tte wrote:
Hi,
Can we
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Energy Liberator
energylibera...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, you need to put the vortex email address (vortex-l@eskimo.com) in the
reply-to field of your email client otherwise replies to your questions
don't go the mailing list but only you.
Or just leave the field
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-01-24 13:13, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
It appears that the contract with Rossi has been formally terminated, but
the University of Bologna is still open to experimentations:
Indeed! What
Maybe Rossi settled legal/contract disputes with Defkalion and they are one
happy family again. Based upon the potential value of the technology there
has to be alot of high priced attorney's swarming over that canceled
contract and who owns the intellectual property and was it breach by Rossi
or
Can you provide a citation for that first quote from DGT ?
At any rate, venting 3-4 times per day WOULD BE maintenance, if it is done
to prevent quiescence. And a tank that size would last 200 days before
losing too much pressure - with regular venting.
There are many ways to look at what
On 2012-01-25 12:59, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Rossi also told me that the work of the University of Bologna
has already started with meetings together with National
Instruments to prepare the whole system analysis.
So let's recap:
- On January 12 in an ecat.com interview Rossi said that a
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Can you provide a citation for that first quote from DGT ?
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=773
Re: dumping 350 degree hydrogen
Defkalion GT
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:33 pm
Joined: Fri Jun 24,
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Can you provide a citation for that first quote from DGT ?
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=773
This is why I think they
I did not pay close attention to that defkalion post earlier. Reading it
now cheers me up: to me these are thorough and sane (?) answers that go
that extra mile in explaining practical details while at the same time
matching up with the earlier released specs, proving that they are not
And of course since the initial news was leaked by Krivit, it is not
surprising it was inaccurate. Krivit is the master of the half truth,
including a part of the truth to purposely mislead. That is what he does,
that is at the heart of what he is, ie, the master of the half truth.
-
Dear Akira et al,
I think that most realistic is to say that we have not the slightest idea
what's true, fractionally true or untrue re this Contract, collaboration.
Many things re Rossi are in a similar cognitive chaos.
Peter
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com
Jones,
I just wanted to remind all of the 3rd alternative which is a
QM based exploitation of Zero Point posited in Jan Naudts paper , Moller's MAHG
, Haisch Moddel prototype, and Cavity QED by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula. The
QM represents the accumulation and segregation of
Most Interesting ! and it shows the thought given detail, for a product that
is obviously going into production. However, it is also a stretch to think
that they did it solely for environmental or private use concerns. They are
years away from proper permits to sell in the USA or EEC, so that
Fran,
I fully agree that any QM explanation supports the Casimir cavity
interpretation, and even fractional hydrogen and IRH, if you throw out most
of Mills' fluff (he claims not to believe in QM and then goes on to reword
it).
That QM explanation supports the Casimir cavity
Can one regen the hydrogen by circulating it through some type of
catalyst, palladium etc to get it re-energized ?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Can you provide a citation for that first quote from DGT ?
** **
At any rate, venting 3-4 times
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
T
What about the reactor wall as a sheet of nickel or nickel alloy with the
surface of the sheet treated to form the type of micro characteristics
necessary for this reaction? Is there a way to make the sheet surface look like
the powder surfaces?
If so, a pair of sheets could be formed into a
What about the reactor wall as a sheet of nickel or nickel alloy with the
surface of the sheet treated to form the type of micro characteristics
necessary for this reaction? Is there a way to make the sheet surface look like
the powder surfaces?
If so, a pair of sheets could be formed into a
From: Chemical Engineer
* Can one regen the hydrogen by circulating it through some type of
catalyst, palladium etc to get it re-energized ?
Very interesting question/speculation. In fact you may have hit on an
important detail.
This probably gets back to QCD and gauge bosons - and how
On 25/01/12 15:41, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Somewhere in a recent collection of Vort posts was a thread or two
touching on speculation (evidence?) that the source of the massive
amount of exothermic heat generated from Rossi's eCats is actually due
to gamma radiation being emitted
for defkalion réactors, knowing their testing measures, it is clear that no
noticeable gamma is produced,
and that (hopefuly) classic gamma are not the main production of energy.
it is not far from the same with rossi's reactor, when you see the
relatively thin lead protection...
from what I've
In the context of the new high temperature NiH reactor designs, lead will
melt at a lower temperature (327C) as compared to the temperature of the
high temperature coolant (349C), therefore the theory of heat production in
lead is untenable.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:41 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V
The 'fact' that the gamma only appears as a burst during startup is one
peice of 'evidence' that I think suggests that the mechanism relies on a
coherent state within the nickel, probably an optical vibrational mode
within the lattice.
Once it is at a sufficient amplitide, it's existence
Good comments from everyone.
From Axel:
In the context of the new high temperature NiH reactor
designs, lead will melt at a lower temperature (327C)
as compared to the temperature of the high temperature
coolant (349C), therefore the theory of heat production
in lead is untenable.
I agree.
Independent Testing on Hyperion Reactors
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies Global Ltd. (PDGT) is ready to further
allow third parties to evaluate its core technology: a multi stage LENR
reaction between Nickel and Hydrogen.
PDGT has successfully completed its scientific, technological and
Unfortunately this model is nowhere near adequate to be able to
calculate the levels of gamma we might see. At this stage it is at best
a qualitative model that might explain the general characteristics. If
the match looked sufficiently good to be worth looking at further then
no doubt the
note that for defkalion,
gamma measures is not a secret
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5615#p5615
2012/1/25 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
What kind of radiation is emitted from Rossi's eCats remains a
frustrating trade-secret.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
We do not need to specify how it is recouped
(regauged) yet, but the route is surely encompassed in one of the
definitions of ZPE (i.e. Dirac's negative energy 'sea').
Are you growing a Beard(en)? 'Regauged' was/is his
From Alian:
note that for defkalion,
gamma measures is not a secret
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5615#p5615
I read the thread. The only commentary from DGT is:
No, there is not any such limitation
Thank you
??? Ooooh-Kay... What does that mean?
Hi Steven...
Think the most likely explanation is that Rossi was trying to throw people off
his trail; slow them down. If the competition thinks that gammas are produced
in copious numbers, they will be looking at the wrong theoretical
explanations... he's leading the snakes down the wrong
I've understood they mean: you can measure gamma as you wan't, no
limitation (unlike rossi's)
2012/1/25 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
From Alian:
note that for defkalion,
gamma measures is not a secret
Jones:
A few questions... I have specific reasons for each one.
1) When you refer to the variable mass of a proton, are you thinking about
H, or protons in all elements?
2) If the mass of a proton = m_sub_p +- m_sub_v , would the variability
(m_sub_v) be less than or equal to the total mass of
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
... suppose it's those slightly different mass protons which are giving up
mass that is not replenished by PAMD's sea. It would mean that new H2 would
need to be added to the mix to get more ragged [sic - rugged?] proton
mass.
If Rossi restarts
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:01:02 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
I believe that the danger in operating the device in maximum feedback is that
the nickel will melt and that will end the power generation permanently. It
most likely will require an operation temperature
Hello
Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat experimental
device builder.
I have a question to the group, would you guys like a Forum instead of
discussing mail wise ?
I could get a new forum up and running in an hour or so, we can set
someone as moderator, or have a group
Hello
Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat
experimental device builder.
I have a question to the group, would you guys like a Forum
instead of discussing mail wise ?
I could get a new forum up and running in an hour or so, we can
set someone as moderator, or have a
Hello guys
I have a q, i have been reading all the posts about the problems with
energy transfer, core melts and so on .
Why not embed the nickel / catalyst mix in a honeycomb, or other
structure that gets easy acess for both H2 and
heat trasnfer to the walls of the tube ?
Is there any
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
1) When you refer to the variable mass of a proton, are you thinking about
H, or protons in all elements?
To be honest, this hypothesis really has not gotten beyond hydrogen protons,
so far.
2) If the mass of a proton = m_sub_p +- m_sub_v , would the variability
On 25.01.2012 12:26, Vorl Bek wrote:
Hello
Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat
experimental device builder.
I have a question to the group, would you guys like a Forum
instead of discussing mail wise ?
I could get a new forum up and running in an hour or so, we can
set
There are a number of options. Google porous nickel or nickel foam but
beware of Alibaba.
INCOFOAM is an available nickel foam, produced in a wide porosity range
which has been available for several years. A large scale commercial
production facility is operating at the Vale/Inco refinery near
Marten,
You might want to google or bing nickel nanowire grow or nickel whisker
grow.
Some of these techiques are hazardous, so better use extreme caution.
My guess is that (poly-)crystalline nanostructures are most promising.
Hello guys
I have a q, i have been reading all the posts about
great help, thanks!
Skickat från min HTC
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Från: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Rubrik: [Vo]:Nickel honeycomb ?
Datum: ons, jan 25, 2012 20:44
There are a number of options. Google porous nickel or nickel foam but
beware of Alibaba.
INCOFOAM
*http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html*
*NEWS! * *Defkalion Green
Technologies*http://www.defkalion-energy.com/homehas
*announced
(1/23/2012)*http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=926that
they are now welcoming third party testing of their LENR reactors.
They expect to
There is a forum for that already, http://www.ecatplanet.net/forum.php
We just need more members...
2012/1/25 mar...@krteknik.com
On 25.01.2012 12:26, Vorl Bek wrote:
Hello
Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat
experimental device builder.
I have a question to the
I think are a many potential downsides to using bulk material substrates
(foams, foils, wires) with nickel coatings.
- you might get large and non-homogenous transient temperature changes
throughout the reactor and this could lead to deformation and even breakup
of large continuous scaffolds.
- it
Hello
Thanks for a great number of input.
My concern have been that the powder might just sit there as a pile
Be badly avaliable to the h2 and get
so hot by the bad cooling that it melts, I'm BTW using micrometer powders at
the moment by rossis specs, but it sounds like I will use nano powder
FYI:
The presence of excess heat, and [near] lack of high-E particles/photons
from LENR reactions would require coupling the large amount of E into the
lattice vibrations (phonon modes) instead of into gammas (photons) or
particles (neutrons and subsequently, dead grad-students). The article
I don't undesrtand that...
what I undesrtand is that they have a portable unit (pump?) to
remove the used powder, and put a new one
but it depend on the meaning of renew it can simply mean : change,
but as you propose, rejuvenante...
I feel change more probable
2012/1/25 Axil Axil
If I was attempting to build a system from scratch, I would be tempted
to stick as close as possible to what we know of the standard receipes
used by others. The problem is that at the moment we don't understand
the system to know what is important and what is not.
My brother helped build a
Axil,
I would agree that the best way to transfer heat is to
electroplate/co-deposit the Nickel/catalyst on the walls of the kernal/core.
Does the Hydrogen need to be purified to monatomic across a membrane?
From their Spec:
Atomic Hydrogen generation Method : Proprietary, embedded within
Hydrogen is amazingly good for heat transfer. Rossi and Defkalion are both
using H2 of 2.5-5MPa, and at 600°C that will have density of about 0.7kg/m³
or greater. At that density 4µm nickel powder particles (As defkalion are
specifying) will need a hydrogen flow velocity of about 0.5m/s to pick
But if depositing on the walls how would you get the massive surface area
required? 4µm powder has about 0.4m²/gram of surface area, and using
approximate (Rossi) figures of 100kW/kg then a 10kW unit needs about 100g
or 40m² of surface area. It also creates more problems with
recycling/replacing
Earlier in the thread, hydrogen was mentioned as a control mechanism, or a
possible factor to be purged at the onset of quiescence:
I'm having trouble imagining that the existing reactor core has a pile of
nickel, a hydrogen gas fitting, and a hydrogen release for anything short of
emergency
How do you cycle hydrogen into/out of the reactor kernal without blowing
micro/nanopowder out of the reactor into the hydrogen system?
I agree that a type of fluidized bed of micro/nano powder might work well
if uniformly distributed
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Robert Lynn
Agreed. I just posted something similar
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Earlier in the thread, hydrogen was mentioned as a control mechanism, or a
possible factor to be purged at the onset of quiescence:
I'm having trouble imagining that
From: Robert Lynn
* 4µm powder has about 0.4m²/gram of surface area,
Not necessarily the right comparison number to use here.
Raney nickel, for instance, can arrive in 40 µm particles, before it is
activated. After activation by leaching with lye, it is completely porous
with a
Not true at all !
Think about it, a incredibly simple solution to stop dispersal of powder is
a solid proton conductor blocking the exit of the reactor.
All the nickel stays in - only hydrogen goes through a proton conductor, and
it exits fast, depending on the type. Many fail to realize
Good question, I assume a filter of some sort, maybe include a vortex
separator too. Cool the gas before the filter to make life easier. Filter
is blown clean when you next refill.
On 25 January 2012 22:35, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you cycle hydrogen into/out of the
Am I right in thinking that if the Hyperion is roughly cylindrical,
then the heat flow between the inner and outer surfaces is calculated as in
A hollow cylinder
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Heat_Transfer/Conduction#A_hollow_cylinder
For a cylinder of length L : inner R1 at T1, outer R2 at T2
At 04:13 PM 1/25/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Am I right in thinking that if the Hyperion is roughly cylindrical,
then the heat flow between the inner and outer surfaces is calculated as in
A hollow cylinder
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Heat_Transfer/Conduction#A_hollow_cylinder
For a
I was under the impression that the physical shape of Rossi's core was
similar to what was used in DGT's Hyperion? More of a low-height,
rectangular shape...
-m
-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:14 PM
To:
Along those lines, you might want to read -
PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf
EXCERPT:
We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of
electrochemically loaded PdDx. In earlier work, we used two properly
oriented and
http://www.knowledge-tv.com/Lafusionfroide.html
Recently noticed this video interview from Jean Paul Biberian apparently made
in early oct 2011. The interview is in french, so for non french readers here
is a really quick summary :
First, Biberian talks at length about the history of cold
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