Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Harry Veeder
The conversion of one form of energy into another form may involve a loss (destruction) of energy or a gain (creation) of energy depending on the type and direction of energy conversion. Even if a system is creating energy, the created energy would be destroyed as it is converted into another

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
Yes, that's true isn't it. The whole closing the loop discussion is predicated on all types of energy being convertible, which is another statement of the conservation of energy. The whole over unity issue is that either conservation is broken in some circumstances, or that there are other

[Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Gluck
Quantum Plasmons Demonstrated in Atomic-Scale Nanoparticles http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120321143017.htm This can be important for LENR Peter PS I cannot solve my Chrome kills hyperlinks problem- very bad for my blog, I can only by-pass it by using Internet Explorer Do you

RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder In Thane Heins' system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into electrical energy destroys the kinetic energy that was created. Yes, that

[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread mårten Sundling
Hello jojo Why not use a heater at the bottom to create s thermosiphon flow, a updraft of hydrogen and nickel.. Mårten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol Datum: tis,

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I've often wondered if these magnetic systems have some unforeseen zero point asymmetry built into the construction materials... but then I also allow for trapped ambient gases in the calcium pores of pyramid block.:_) Fran _ From: Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Bob Higgins
Of course, I was not there to personally witness any of the hardware or the testing. I am working entirely from second hand reports of what was done. Rossi appears to have been well versed in the behavior of his smaller, early systems in terms of warm-up, self-sustain, re-start/maintenance

[Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread ecat builder
Live webcast http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/ Currently on air: (starts 16:30 CET) 2012.03.22 16:30 Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) live from Main Auditorium (click on the title for more details) http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/

RE: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Thanks for posting!!! -Original Message- From: ecat builder [mailto:ecatbuil...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:25 AM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR Live webcast http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/ Currently on air: (starts

[Vo]:Fly Me to the . . .

2012-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread David Roberson
I have not seen any system that actually creates or destroys energy during its operation. Unless I have missed something extremely important, every current product including the ECAT type of device takes an existing form of energy that has been stored by nature or man and converts it into

Re: [Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Jojo Jaro
Marten, I was considering that option on and off and on and then off again. A few things I would like to avoid that would be present with a bottom heater. 1. A heater at the bottom would concentrate too much heat on the powder. With a few grams of nickel, not all nickel would be carried by

Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread David Roberson
This is an interesting article Harry. Thanks for posting it. I wonder if anyone has seen papers that show the resonances and quality factor associated with the size of the material. Can a small activation at the correct wavelength of electromagnetic radiation lead to a large plasmon current

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread David Roberson
You have posed some interesting questions Bob. I have given the charge weight(50-100g) a modest amount of thought and suggest that the reason for this magnitude is for practical concerns. I assume that the heat generation mechanism occurs throughout the volume of the charge while the heat

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 5 Bob Higgins stated: In Peter's post on the nanoparticles and plasmons ... It is interesting that nanoparticles are sized in a commensurate number of atoms that will both support plasmons and Rydberg condensates. Could the two phenomena be related or at least coupled? Axil comments:

Re: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
It sounded like one audience member got a bit, er, heated during the QA session. He insisted that the presentation was favoring the positive results and that the negative results should be presented. Maybe he was a hot fusioner and feared for his job at the ITER? T

RE: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread Finlay MacNab
Hello, Long time lurker here. The question was absurd. I am disappointed that a professional scientist would ask such a question. Almost every new technology that is not well understood suffers from poor reproducibility, it took decades to achieve reproducible results with field effect

RE: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Terry, you beat me to it! The first thing that came to mind is that I certainly hope that person isn't a scientist... if we have scientists that think a failed experiment PROVES or OVERRIDES the positive ones, then we've got serious problems. What was frustrating is that, due to Celani's

RE: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Finlay: There were many that failed early on; Princeton, CalTech, supposedly MIT (but this is highly questionable), even some of the Nat'l Labs. it took many years before enough successful ones had been done so scientists could look for common denominators that were present in the successful

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 6 Bob Higgins stated: Where does the 50-100g cell size come from? Will it work just as well in 1g cells? Unknown. Axits comments: In his post on this thread, JoJo Jaro talks about the evolution of Rossi’s deployment of micro-powder from a pile to a thin sprinkling over a wide area.

Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Dave   ...Also, it would be interesting to see if the individual nano scale plasmon resonances would magnetically couple and thus share energy.  In the same line of thought, would this form of coupling tend to smooth out what would otherwise be very precise

[Vo]:Torrents from Space

2012-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Bit torrents, that is: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/the-pirate-bay-will-let-you-download-call-of-duty-from-space/ The Pirate Bay is setting sail for stranger seas. Sweden’s most infamous website and one of the more popular sources of pirated music, movies, and video games on the

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 7 Bob Higgins stated: Interestingly, DGT operates at noticeably higher H2 pressure, that in Rossi's case would cause a thermal runaway. DGT has found a means to rapidly quench the reaction (stop it) so that they can control the heat output. They can turn the quench on and off and get

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 8 *Bob Higgins stated: The Rydberg matter seems to be going in the wrong direction. Normal ground state atoms have a smaller mean orbital radius. Outside of this radius the atom appears net neutral. If you get inside of this radius, there is a strong electric field. To get fusion to

Re: [Vo]:CERN Live WebCast - Experimental Progress in LENR

2012-03-22 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-03-22 16:24, ecat builder wrote: Live webcast http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/ The slides are freely available here: http://indico.cern.ch/materialDisplay.py?materialId=slidesconfId=177379 Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Here I go again: Hydride ion anyone? Oscillate or I will kick you with a spark, infrared wave packet or RFG. NS=SN Nude, without clothes, look see: http://chan.host-ed.me/ Warm Regards, Reliable Axil Axil wrote: Post 8 Bob Higgins stated: The Rydberg matter seems to be going in the

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Bob Higgins
Axil, please keep thinking, posting, and discussing. It is what this vo-collective is for! They are good explorations. I believe the reason for the Rossi's flattened reactor is simply to better couple the heat out of the powder. The inside may be filled with posts to further improve the

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
I have a feeling ‘Reliable’ that know the ANSWER and have not told us because you are either a masochist taking pleasure in watching us struggle to get the ANSWER or you are constrained by a non-disclosure agreement by somebody. So this is my take on what you are getting at. The act of hydrides

RE: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Perhaps the protons can form cooper pairs which are not affected by the coulomb barrier. -Mark From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol I have a feeling 'Reliable'

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 9 Bob Higgins stated: *I agree with you entirely. I believe the quench is an AC magnetic field so as not to permanently magnetize anything - which could permanently quench the reaction. If this is the case, it would also say something about the mechanism of the reaction. It could also be

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder In Thane Heins' system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into

Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

2012-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Post 10 Bob Higgins stated: *What does strength of Rydberg matter, and match the fusion of proton cooper pairs mean? These don't make sense. While it may be possible that there is Cooper-pair like coupling of protons, no one has yet explained how, if this occurred, that the LENR transmutations