[Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011
Was offline a couple of days. Mayme, its not new to you. Just saw this citation on a swedish website, it may help to explain why Defkalion did not pay EFA srl (Rossis wife), and Rossi was upset. citation: The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical requirements. As anticipated in the LTTA for the purpose of determining if EFA has met said requirements, a test was performed in late July 2011. While the test conclusively showed that most of these requirements indeed were reached, some were not; the most important one being full working stability of the reactor. As provided in the LTTA, DGT therefore requested a second test. However, EFA has refused to participate in such a test despite the fact that such non-participation clearly constitutes a material breach of contract. Such a test is and has always been a prerequisite for DGT confidently going forward with the collaboration with EFA. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
The data provided can be found here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled in by an inspector. Dear Jed! Following your link I read: A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures. How would you call that? Don’t be upset, but I would call that: „an unpublished report of data of an anonymous source on a private webpage“. Don’t you agree? Why is it possible, that the (IMHO) most interesting test of the wondrous device remains undocumented? Why are Rossi and Levi hiding the notebook-files? Would you buy a conventional boiler according to such a source? Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news
time passes news about Piantelli's work. Thanks for translating this. Perhaps Piantelli has been spurred into working more quickly and going commercial quickly by Rossi. Piantelli has been doing this research for a long time but he has not published many papers. He has been keeping a low profile. Maybe Rossi has nothing to do with it, and Piantelli happened to achieve commercial-level success now, and he would have gone public even without Rossi. - Jed I am not aware of any paper published by Rossi (apart from his own blog). Piantelli published several papers about his research. Francesco Piantelli's problem is that independent replication attempts failed so far. Piantelli described precisely his reactor in his patents, but nobody could repeat his results, despite the fact that he uses no secret catalyst. In 1996, Antonino Zichichi and a group at CERN could not replicate the Piantelli experiments. They wrote: ..We have found the results to be consistent with our observations; namely we measured higher temperatures for the same input power when hydrogen is absorbed during a heating cycle. Nevertheless this temperature rise does not appear to correspond to an increase in heat production. We have added a temperature sensor to the container of the experiment. The temperature of the container follows the same temperature with input power curve irrespective of whether there is an anomalous absorption of hydrogen or not; therefore we have no evidence that this temperature increase corresponds to another source of heat. In conclusion, we have observed all the effects discovered by Focardi etnbsp;al., but our results imply that there is no production of power associated with the absorption of hydrogen by nickel.. See: Cerron-Zeballos, E., Crotty, I., Hatzifotiadou, D., Lamas Valverde, J., Williams, M.C.S., and Zichichi, A., Investigation of Anomalous Heat Production in Ni-H Systems. Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 109A, pages 1645-1654, (1996) 1998/1999 Luigi Nosenzo and Luigi Cattaneo could not replicate Piantelli's results. See: Adalberto Piazzoli, Fusione Fredda? Una ricerca italiana. CICAP Scienza Paranormale N. 78 (2008) -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?
Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:54:26 -0300 Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic? No, not critics. The director of those Swedish physicists denied there was a contract, Rossi also denied that, and in fact what will happen is a collaboration of the professors of Bologna and Uppsal to develop the e-cat. sorry Daniel, did you read the article of Ugo Bardi? Did you understand it? Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?
This is what he writes: In realtà, sembra che a Uppsala ci stiano nettamente ripensando. Io stesso avevo scritto la settimana scorsa ai miei colleghi di Uppsala per sentire come andavano le cose. Avevo sentito parlare di un accordo con Rossi per fare un test di uno degli E-cat, ma i colleghi mi hanno risposto che non c’era nessun accordo, nessun E-cat era sottoposto a dei test a Upssala e che il prof. Kullander era stato fortemente criticato per la leggerezza con la quale aveva approvato il lavoro di Rossi e Focardi senza dati sufficienti in proposito. Sembrerebbe che Kullander, in privato, abbia avuto un netto ripensamento. Using all my efforts to translate it into dirty english: in reality, it seems that in Uppsala they are changing minds. I, myself, wrote an email to my collegues last week in order to know what was happening there. I heard about a contract [accordo] with Rossi to perform a test with an Ecat, but my collegues answered to me that there is no contract at all and that no test was done in Uppsala and that prof. Kullander was sverly critizised for his flippancy with which he approved Rossis and Focardis work without having enough data. It looks as if Kullander, in a private way, changed mind. citation from: http://www.ecoblog.it/post/12879/e-cat-fusione-fredda-secondo-ugo-bardi-aspo-non-ce-alcun-accordo-tra-rossi-e-luniversita-di-uppsala -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:53:12 -0400 Von: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom\'s analysis More bizarreness. Note that in all the apparent anger over the wetness of the effluent, nobody has stated *any* measurement which was made and which indicated the steam was dry. We've got temperature, we've got pressure (relative to ambient, please note, not even an actual pressure number, so we can't compute the boiling point from it),.. my remark: I looked up the air pressure in Bologna the day 14th of june, 2011. It was 1016 hPa (=1016 mBar) calculated at sealevel (air pressure is always related to its sealevel value, exept for some exceptions in mountain regions). Bologna, via dell'Elettricista 16 is 43 m above sealevel. So, the real air pressure was 1016 - 5.3 = 1010.7 hPa in the Rossi showroom that day. Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:10:41 -0300 Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom\'s analysis Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there? no, they measured it a bit away, but still in Bologna. I you want the precise position, I may tell you that later, I have access to all the historic weather data. I think it is the airport there. Meteorology was my business for a long time. Every station transmits the local air pressure and adds the lacking pressure that comes from local height above sea level. See wikipedia barometric formula for details, its about 1 hPa per 8 m. If every station of the world would simply transmit local air pressure, you would not be able to draw the ground pressure charts. All values are sl-values. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:10:41 -0300 Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom\'s analysis Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there? Its the altitude compensation. http://www.ehow.com/how_7716999_adjust-altitude-barometer.html a simple value like 1010.7 is not helpful itself. But, in relation to my long time working with air pressure values, I estimate an error of about 1 hpa is correct. Good barometers have an accuracy of about 0.2 hPa, but in reality it is a bit worse. Also, the exact height over sl for that location may be a bit different from 43 m. I looked it up at Google earth. There is perhaps another 5 m error or so. Its better to say: 1010.7 +/- 1 hPa I suppose, Rossi had a barometer there, I think it is included in the recording instrument collecting the temperature values. But we dont know if he looked up the value and if it was exacly compensated for altitude. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference
One of the listed attendees: The Green Party of Germany The Green Party of my country? (Die Grünen). I am a mmeber of that party since 20 years. It's almost impossible to imagine a German green party exponent to support a fusion tecnology with gamma radiation and transmutation of nickel to copper. Very strange, I can't believe it. Perhaps it's a misunderstanding, Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Water Flow Question
He uses a metering pump by manufacturer LMI (UK). Its model P18. Lewan told it. http://www.lmi-pumps.com/datasheets/Pseries-08-01.pdf max 3.20 GPH (12.1 l/h) 22 psi (1.5 Bar) max stroke frequency = 100 / minute max stroke volume = 2 ml manual of the pump http://www.lmi-pumps.com/datasheets/Pseries-08-01.pdf The problem I see is the follwing: Rossi was asked several times to explain how he switchs off his reactor. He said that he would stop electrical heating and would increase the water flow in order to cool down the reactor. But: why did the reactor continue to operate in the february test? During that test, the water flow was increased (using the tap pressure, not the pump). Temperatures were: 15 C input 20 C output (note: there is no report so far). How could the reactor work under these conditions? Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
The electrical input was 750W No, it was between 784 and 805 W (230x3.4 or 230x3.5). The tension is 230 V in Italy. This is called in Italy eurotensione, google it. I already posted the link to the italian wikipedia article abt mains tension in Italy. Must I repeat it? It was 220 V there until the end of the 90ies. When I was a child, it was 110 V in some areas, I remember it very well. Lewan measured the tension in the Rossi showroom in april, and the tension was even above 230 V: on 19th and 28th of april it was 236 V AC. I dont know why Rossi talks about 220 V. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET - June 14, 2011)
sorry to say: in that video I hear a stroke frequency of 20/min, perhaps a bit more. That means flow 3 kg/hr. For 7 kg/hr you would need 60 strokes/min. Mains tension in Italy is 230 V and not 220 V, see Wikipedia. A bit shocked, Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications on steam quality issues and Galantini's statement
I just looked up testo 176 H2. I found: testo 176 H2 Temperatur, Feuchte-Datenlogger, Messschreiber, 2 Mio Messwerte, -20 bis +70 °C That means in English: logger for temperature and rel. humidity, 2 mill. data points, -20 to +70 C This means, you can't use it for temperatures over 70 C ! -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET - June 14, 2011)
Well, he says they weigh the reservoir before and after. Other people who have observed the tests told me they weighed it. If the video was long enough we would see them do that. So I do not think you need to worry about the flow rate being incorrect. - Jed But then tell us please, why on march 29 the calculated values (audible stroke freq x volume) were exactly equal to the measured values, but this time they were so different? Angela time to go to bed over here... 3 hours left for some sleep -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative
The question was: are these 800 W the heating power for on or more Ecat? Passerini says that the current of 3.5 A (= 800 W) is related to one Ecat: Se scrivo l'E-Cat in funzione e non gli E-Cat in funzione ci sarà un motivo no!? (If I am writing E-Cat functioning and not E-Cats functioning, there has a reason, right?) (This is a translation from the Italian language into English by a German..) Passerini adds, that the second control switch (the blue power control box has 12 control switches. Two were used during the last experiments) was in position 9 (maximum). He does not say anything about the left control switch, but a picture shows also a 9 for the left swith (and a 4 for the right switch). So, probably both were in „9“ position. These „small“ Ecats have two mains cables, one for each of the two heating resistors. The old (big) Ecat had 5 mains lines for 5 resistors (1500 W). On one of the pictures we can see the famous pump. It can be seen that P18. The potentiometer (upper knob) regulating the volume for each stroke is not set to the maximum value (2 ml), but to a much lower value. I guess something around 0.6 ml per stroke. I cant read the value of the inferior potentiometer regulating the stroke frequency. It seems to be set to 80% of 100 Hz (=80 Hz. So, in this case we would expect aprox. 50 ml / minute = 30 litres / hour). This is very important in order to estimate the water throuput. If Rossis warranty claim of a six fold energy gain (do you remember?) is correct, each Ecat should deliver 800 W x 6 = 4800 W. But witness Krivit says: I could see some white steam slowly exiting from the hose. At 4.8 kW ? I think the „blackmal“ – story is related to the raw data of the january and february experiments done by Levi. Levi says in his report of 21 of january that these data were lost. But, and that is very strange, Krivit writes that Levi agreed to send him these „lost“ data. Krivit wanted these data before he left Italy. Perhaps Levi understood this as a blackmail and called for this lawyer. Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
[Vo]:Who is Rossi's USA partner?
Today, I saw a rather strange message from Andrea Rossi: Andrea Rossi May 23rd, 2011 at 2:40 PM Dear Mr Charlie Zimmerman: 1- I am absolutely not interested to the skepticism, since we are manufacturing the reactors which in october will start their operation in the market 2- there is no reason why I have to disclose where we manufacture our reactors. Our Customers will receive the reactors in their factories, they are not interested about the manufacturing sites. Our NON-Customers have no reason to know anything at all about this issue. 3- The reactors are manufactured by Leonardo Corporation, while LTI (Leonardo Technology Inc.) is the company with the exclusive commercial license of Leonardo Corp. in the Americas and Caribeans. For any info about LTI, please coontact them directly: ccassar...@lti-global.com Warm regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=488#comments So, LTI inc. has the exclusive commercial license of Leonardo Corp. in the Americas and Caribeans.. And AmpEnergo has not? Or has also? And: contact me directly ccassar...@xxx.com ??? What does that mean? Why does this man create so much confusion? -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
[Vo]:Rossi knows the reaction but keeps it secret
In his patent, Rossi says that a true nuclear cold fusion is happening inside the reactor. (page 12) and he says: triggering a capture of a proton by the nickel powder, with a consequent transformation of nickel to copper. (page 1) On page 12 his says also, that: in addition to fusion, the inventive reaction also provides a nickel nucleus fission phenomenon generating lighter stable atoms. but later he said several times not to know how his reactor is working. And now his says to know exactly was is happening inside the reactor: Andrea Rossi May 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM Dear Mr Pietro F. We do net need somebody else make a research of what happens in the reactors, because we know now exactly what happens. Warm regards, A.R. Why does he now keep the reaction secret? -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture
funny? A man killed himself that day, and a mother tried to kill her children and herself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vj8-_jhFAAfeature=player_embedded http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Man+found+dead+in+church+on+doomsday+/- Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
The address of AmpEnergo (president: broker Karl Norwood) is already known: AmpenErgo Inc, 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Leonardo Corporation, 116 South River Road, Bedford, N.H. 03110 Leonardo Technologies, 116 South River RD, Bedford, NH 03110 Norwood Management Karl Norwood Inc, 116 South River RD, Bedford, New Hampshire 03110 NAI Norwood Group, Inc., 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:hydrogen pressure pulsation
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:21:23 -0400 Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:hydrogen pressure pulsation On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: By pulsating the hydrogen pressure in the Rossi reaction vessel, Rossi is varying the size of the negative hydrogen ions (in terms of atom count of hydrogen atoms confined within the ion) he produces oscillating from small to/from large. How is he pulsing the hydrogen? Thermally? T It was Piantelli who first talked about pulsating hydrogen pressure. It was not Andrea Rossi. Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:51:34 -0400 Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: [Vo]:Rossi\'s U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik See: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece citation: How much do you pay for the agreement? Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. Have you paid anything to Rossi yet? Cassarino: Yes we have. How much? Cassarino: Let’s put it like this, it was an important piece of the equation Cui bono? Rossi is paid. This explains much imho... -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good. In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he want us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did not receive money so far, that he financed everything himself and that he wants to wait until november, lets say until a real commercial success in late 2011. He repeated it for the last time on april 18, after his agreement with Ampenergo. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity
Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:20:04 -0400 Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity Years ago a lot of money was put into OTEC generation, which has very small temperature differences. Those techniques could be revived. Yes, why not. But please consider the practical efficiency: 3%. That is a value you reach also with thermoelectric elements. The theoretically highest value you may reach with OREC is around 6% (having sea water at 26/6 degrees C). But it is unclear if one day someone will reach these 6%. If I remember it correctly, Rossi wanted to guarantee 6 times more heat than input power. Thats 16%, much higher than 3 or 6%. So, it will not work. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode
This reminds me Andrea Rossis claim, that he invented a thermoelectrical element with 20% efficacy. Saw it here: http://esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#Leonardo_Technologies_Inc. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7
not only energycatalyzer.us was deleted. The same day disappeared also rossiportal.com. Is there a link? Days ago I made screenshots of all the pages. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Hello Everyone, There is probably a simple explanation for this. In the new video that can be found on the following site. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 A schematic layout of the experiment is shown In the schematic there is a canister of hydrogen labeled H2 There is another canister beside it labeled D2 What is this canister? Is it just a second canister of hydrogen? The schematic is not from Rossis patent (he owns no so far). Its from a patent from Francesco Piantelli, who got a patent about H-Ni fusion in 1995 and a second in 2010. I understand italian quite well. In the rainews-video they interview the patent-lawyer of Piantelli, who says that Rossi will never get the patent because Piantelli invented it earlier. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 04 May 2011 17:32:32 +1000 Von: mix...@bigpond.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative In reply to Angela Kemmler's message of Tue, 03 May 2011 15:59:01 +0200: Hi, [snip] One should check the calculations and estimates there. But it looks as if arith. mean power was above or around 1 kW. I agree. Glad to see someone did the work. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html Robin, your link to http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html seems not to work. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:48:37 +0300 Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister Dear Angela, If you read the patent WO 2010/058288 (co-inventor is Piantelli's daughter, a physicist) and compare it with Rossi's patent you will see why the later has problems. Piantelli's patent has logical coherence- you can understand WHY you have to do what it describes. Peter Yes Peter I read the patent about 2 month ago. The difference is that he has no secret catalyst. A patent must describe all the details an expert needs to replicate an effect and it must explain the best method available at the moment the patent request is made. I don't remember the details of the two Pantelli patents however. Was that your question? Regards, Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
[Vo]:Re: [Vo] RaiNews24 (ITA)
Its a bit confusong: Rainews24 is the old name. Today it is Rainews. It is on my satellite list, Hotbird 6, 10.992 MHz. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
down to 4,4 kW. I agree, one needs to be careful, with the input power in the early experiment (and perhaps all of them?). The graph went up and down quite a bit, so one should really do a separate calculation for each segment then add them all up. look here Robin: http://www.e-catalyzer.se/viewtopic.php?f=2t=7 (with all precautions, its only referenced by the picture. Not a citable source. But we are accustomed to that in the meanwhile) One should check the calculations and estimates there. But it looks as if arith. mean power was above or around 1 kW. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables
In Europe you may find quite often a power outlet (wall outlet) without earth contact, so, this contact is not necessary. You find extension cords with only two wires. The third (earth) contact has only the purpose to protect you. In Germany you find often a particular fuse interrupting the tension, if a current above 10 mA flows over the earth contact. I'm sure this is also the case in other countries. I think that the problem Mats Lewan is talking about is not a big problem. Because usually one contact is connected to earth. If someone would connect the two main wires with each other and use the earth contact as return, this may work, and you may smuggle a current if you are checking the current only in one of the two cables. It would require a hidden modification of the power outlet, and you would not be able to measure a tension between the two main contacts. But Lewan was able to measure the tension. The current in the earth cable would then be the sum of the two currents. It would be a massive fraud! I don't believe that. No, I think the problem is elsewere: what about the second heating resistor, Lewan talks in his video? Was it completely disconnected? If not, could it be used or not? Did Mats Lewan checked all the time the current? He used no automatic recording of the current. For instance, when he went in the second room: I think he was not able to check the current. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
I just saw the video. And there is something interesting: at the end of the video, Mats Lewan goes in an other room to follow the black hose ending in that dirty bucket. And turning the camera, we can clearly see that Rossi is doing something with the blue box. As if he was touching one of the switchs. The pump's stroke frequency was 33/min this time. And looking into the pdfs, we have the proof, that indeed Rossi used a LMI P18 pump with a max. flow rate of 12 l/hr. The product of 31 strokes at 2 ml is 62 ml/min. Lewan tells us, he had measured (weight difference method) a flow rate of 63 ml/min (at 3.8 l/hr). The two values match pretty well. What does that mean? Someone was lying. Or someone made a big mistake and published it. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
correction: 31/min, I checked it again with earphones. The values fit together! -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
On 11-05-02 10:36 PM, Angela Kemmler wrote: I just saw the video. And there is something interesting: at the end of the video, Mats Lewan goes in an other room to follow the black hose ending in that dirty bucket. And turning the camera, we can clearly see that Rossi is doing something with the blue box. As if he was touching one of the switchs. Here, the problem is the following: M. Lewan checked the current once at the beginning. (by the way: clamp meter are usually not very precise. But: assume good faith, he checked that instrument later). Did he made a recording of the current/power over the whole time? Was the current constant? Lewan says yes. Did he check periodically the current? We don't know. Why is Rossi touching the blue box? The pump's stroke frequency was 33/min this time. And looking into the pdfs, we have the proof, that indeed Rossi used a LMI P18 pump with a max. flow rate of 12 l/hr. The product of 31 strokes at 2 ml is 62 ml/min. Lewan tells us, he had measured (weight difference method) a flow rate of 63 ml/min (at 3.8 l/hr). The two values match pretty well. What does that mean? Someone was lying. Or someone made a big mistake and published it. Big mistake where when? I'm feeling a little lost here. The only pump flow rate I recall as being considered possibly dubious was a claimed measured rate of 13.4 l/h, in Levi's first paper on the January test, and that seems to be within the range of a reasonable measurement error of the actual max flow rate of a nominal 12 l/h pump. The longer I observe this discussion, the more I am becoming sceptic. Using two different methods, we are coming to the same result. Thats good. We are able to calculate the flow rate knowing: a.) the pump b.) stroke frequency c.) stroke volume Assuming a volume of 2 ml (in favor to the inventor, since it is the maximum value), we can calculate the flow rate by multiplying frequency and volume. Here we have (it's easy to hear in the video, listen to the regular tok..tok noise) 31 strokes/minute. Lewan tells us: 63.3 ml/min. This confirms, the the stroke volume was 2 ml. Now, we know also, that the maximal flow rate of this pump is 12.1 l/hr. How is it reached? 12.1/h divided by 60 is 202 ml/min. That is the value at 2 ml volume and 100 strokes/min. The maximum, right? What do we get at 31 strokes? It is 0.31 multiplyed with 202. Check: ist is 62. OK. Now, lets check it with the pumps tok tok noise of 14 of january: we clearly hear 60 beats/min. And that is 60 x 2 = 120 ml/min. BUT: in the report we find the value 292 ml/min (=17.5 l/hr). Or Lewan made a mistake AND the data sheet of the pump is wrong, OR the author of the report made a mistake. A big mistake in favor of the claimed principle. A 243 % mistake ! Or, in other words, the claimed power was much lower. Instead of 12.4 kW we have only 4.9 kW. (how we explain that is another issue) I have the impressio! n, that someone is OR cheating (don't forget: its also a big business) or someone is incompetent. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
Q: Is it certain that the pump used is this experiment is the same one used in Jan? Oh yes! It looks exactly the same, and: look to the dirty fingerprints on the side! By the way, other people identifyed already the pump a couple of days ago. This raises also the question: who's pump is it? Is it Rossis? That would mean, that the physics department of the university of Bologna used a private pump of the inventor. But, the pump is integrated part of the energy catalyzer. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
I bet Rossi was trying to keep the reaction perfectly stable throughout the experiment. He could have detected an increase in temperature and wanted to throttle down the input slightly. Yes, why not. We may also imagine an automatic regulating system in that blue box. But doing this, all the calculations of Mats Lewan are garbage. And, it would be a sort of fraud against the journalist, not telling him that. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
@Robin: there is also another error: Levi said, that the device was heated with 600-700 W (his words). In reality, the value was much higher. Over 1 kW. That's more than 40% error, always in favor of the Rossi-claims. Together with the other error we reach 280% error, and that lowers the power down to 4,4 kW. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative
wasn't it 350 Watt? It is also a bit strange that he talks about two heating resistors. Maybe the second one was switched off. I do not understand why Rossi heats his reactor chamber with an external heater outside the copper tube, as if he wants to heat water by electricity. Or he does it because water and copper are reducing and stabilizing heat transfer to the inner chamber. In his patent he talks about an inner heating resistor. You must also take into account energy release from adsorbtion and absorption of hydrogen into nickel. I don't remember the values. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries
Citation It is blatantly obvious that there is an ongoing deliberate and orchestrated attempt to stop the public becoming aware of Rossi's E-Cat, which when you set it against the backdrop of the recent Fukoshima nuclear disaster, makes the media silence all the more stark... Here in Germany, almost nobody cares about Rossi and his claims. I don’t wonder: there is no published article in any scientific journal and the test results are not very consistent (see my new thread about the 12.4 kW claims). There were about a dozen bloggers reporting. In Italy, the situation is different: some of the „big“ newspapers published reports, the public TV station RAI3 made a report and will interview Rossi again next week. The same in Greece. So, there is no „media silence“. If I were Rossi, I would be glad of this sort of „media silence“. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
[Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?
See this interesting discussion on a sceptic page in Sweden: http://www.e-catalyzer.se/viewtopic.php?f=2t=4#p11 -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
[Vo]:21 of april 2011 test
There was a test the day 21 of april 2011 (last week, thursday). Hanno Essén is just writing a report. But i don't know when it will be published. This time, they measured the weight of the cooling water before and after the test. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:21 of april 2011 test
sorry, i wanted to start a new thread. BTW, how to start a new one here? I have two new issues to talk about. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
Re: [Vo]:Rossi now claims ultrasound
No Jones, his lawyer Cicogna is only citing the patent of Arata (year 2005). -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat CATALYST Speculation Thread
I found something: citation: Q: does the catalyzer works in a homogeneous phase with nickel powder? Answer (Rossi):No -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:What Rossi Says list
20) process can be killed by forced cooling (high water flow) -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
[Vo]:Rossi's Patent Problem
Rossi knows these problems very well, and he has already modified his patent in december 2010: Citation: For overcoming the above rejection grounds against novelty and inventive step, original claims 1 to 15 have been cancelled, and a new set of claims 1 to 9 has been drafted and herein enclosed. Source WIPO. See page 7: http://www.esowatch.com/doc/application_rossi.004908.pdf -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Patent Problem
yes, indeed. D1 is the Arata patent. Angela -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Patent Problem
The alleged nickel-enrichment procedure can not be found in his patent application. I my opinion this is also a problem. Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
