[Vo]:EM Drive article
Hi, Just came across this article, may be interesting to read. EM Drive - 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours http://manifestdestinytriforce.blogspot.nl/2015/08/em-drive-impossible-rocket-drive-works.html Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Request: info on very high (2000F) temp sensors
Hi, See: http://www.lakeshore.com/products/Cryogenic-Temperature-Controllers/Model-335/Pages/Sensor-Temperature-Range.aspx Kind regards, Rob MarkI-ZeroPoint schreef op 19-6-2015 om 16:45: Thought I’d ask the Collective if they could point me at any info onsensors for very high temperatures (over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit)… Thanks in Advance, -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea
Hi, Not so much novel of them, but I think it clearly is to make with one single action a statement to both their domestic North Korean people and to their foreign world. Domestic: Do your job or else ... Foreign: See our great technology; you are warned or else ... Kind regards, Rob Dingemans Jed Rothwell schreefs op 13-5-2015 om 21:33: You do not see many innovative new ideas coming out of North Korea. But I must say, they do come up with unexpected ways to kill off top officials. Here is the latest headline from the New York Times: /North Korea Said to Execute a Top Official, With an Antiaircraft Gun/ Previous reports describe killing top officials with mortar, and with a large pack of famished dogs. It makes you wonder who would want to be a top official in North Korea. Other than the tip-top Boy Wonder himself. North Korea is modeled on Stalinist Russia. My father was posted to Russia during World War II working for the US government. He said that in some cases a factory manager would fail to meet some goal, so they would take him out in the factory yard and shoot him with a firing squad. Then they would look around to find someone else to manage the factory. As you might expect, they often had difficulty finding anyone willing to take the job. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Vimeo
Steven, Thanx for the link. I downloaded it as mp4 movie through keepvid.com Kind regards, Rob Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson schreef op 11-2-2015 om 16:34: A member from the SCP group brought this 20 year old VIMEO video on controversial new claims of Heat (CF) to the group's attention because Dr. Mills shows up around 21:30. Very interesting historical account as the narrator talks about Mills work with Thermacore working with nickel and hydrogen where excess heat was being generated. The video helps document the fact that BLP had its original roots in cold fusion research where apparently they were getting excess heat. Of course there are some clips from John Huizenga labeling Cold Fusion research as pathological science around 26:30. Of more interest to me was a brief talk with M. Fleishman where he comments, 27:20 about the need to distinguish the difference between claims of Pathological Science versus Pathological Criticism. I never heard the phrase pathological Criticism before! That was a good one! Enjoy! http://vimeo.com/9438745 Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:news, bad for Europe, good for LENR
Peter, It's a pitty I can't thumbs up your article a.la Facebook ;-) Great introduction. Kind regards, Rob Peter Gluck schreef op 8-1-2015 om 17:38: Dear Friends, I advice you to skip the introduction but read the rest of: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/lenr-news-january-8-2015.html Thank you, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain
Hi, I think it's a smart move of Toyota. Take note, Toyoto is also aware of wet van de remmende voorsprong, so they need to leap forward somehow or the competition will do it instead. And if Europe and the US are not available as a market due to certification issues they will focus on the Chinese and Indian market. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_handicap_of_a_head_start Kind regards, Rob Lennart Thornros schreef op 7-1-2015 om 00:49: There is a theoretic business model called the S-curve theory that explains the possibilities and the risk with new technology. The typewriters , the vacuum tubes, the adding machines etc. are good examples. So far I am in agreement with the idea that there is a market changes due to technology. LENR absolute but not now. To dangerous to take such a step. Even if they present a car driven by LENR it would take years to get acceptance. Maybe Toyota is not thinking so well. The first ones to move to new technology seldom prevail. Apple might be good today but that has more to do with the I-phone than their computers of 1984. Texas Instrument are not a major player on the semiconductor market compare 1968. HP had some real early handheld computers did not take them to the front of today's handheld market. Many companies have seen this pattern repeat itself over the years and realize being first or having the patent is not the most important - in most cases. Xerox being the exception that shows validity to me of that statement. Time ago it was the norm, that being first equaled success. The problems with LENR is of course that there is no theory that backs it up. There is nobody driving the development of LENR Rossi is entrepreneurial and his new partner has been very quiet and demonstrated very little leadership. BLP seems more focused on academical result than commercialization. Maybe there are more (better) information out there, which I am unaware of. In such case now is the time to identify the winners and buy shares. I doubt it is Toyota they remind me of IBM. Tesla maybe. Unknown entity is the most likely in my opinion. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com http://www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:15 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net mailto:zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Yes, they funded early LENR work with FP. IIRC, they stopped LENR research for a period of time, but then restarted the effort. You can bet the BoD and C-levels have been kept up-to-date about developments in LENR... -mark iverson -Original Message- From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain Mark's thought also was the first idea that came into my head upon reading Terry's comment. I think they, Toyota, are onto LENR. Let's not forget they hired Pons and Fleishman for research in Nice, France after they left the USA. Bob - Original Message - From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net mailto:zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain Misinformation? Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going down fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for powering its future fleet... -mark iverson -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed Rothwell wrote: I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles. Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed RAV4 electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over more than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with Tesla working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3 sedan to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed. Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by the possibility of losing large market
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Curcumin ( spice) US Patent- Anticancer
Hi, The positive health effects of Curcumin were ages ago already known in India. I wonder if this patent is in direct violation with an Indian patent. As far as I once read curcumin was also patented in the US by a farmacutical firm. After complaints from India this granted patent was within a year revoked. Kind regards, Rob Ron Kita schreef op 4-11-2014 06:06: Greetings Vortex-L, Curcumic-Turmeric is a most amazing spice. About 5 years ago,Scientific American had a article called: Spice Healer by Gary Stix..now must pay for the article due to its popularity. Here is a recent 2014 Anticancer- Curcumin Patent from the University of Brussels: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=5f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PTXTs1=curcumins2=cancer.TI.OS=curcumin+AND+TTL/cancerRS=curcumin+AND+TTL/cancer Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Curcumin ( spice) US Patent- Anticancer
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2805%2963536-2/fulltext Man on Bridges schreef op 8-11-2014 22:15: Hi, The positive health effects of Curcumin were ages ago already known in India. I wonder if this patent is in direct violation with an Indian patent. As far as I once read curcumin was also patented in the US by a farmacutical firm. After complaints from India this granted patent was within a year revoked. Kind regards, Rob Ron Kita schreef op 4-11-2014 06:06: Greetings Vortex-L, Curcumic-Turmeric is a most amazing spice. About 5 years ago,Scientific American had a article called: Spice Healer by Gary Stix..now must pay for the article due to its popularity. Here is a recent 2014 Anticancer- Curcumin Patent from the University of Brussels: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=5f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PTXTs1=curcumins2=cancer.TI.OS=curcumin+AND+TTL/cancerRS=curcumin+AND+TTL/cancer Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..
Hi, ChemE Stewart schreef op 12-10-2014 20:20: The internal oscillating magnetic field may supplying alignment/heating/arcing as well as lorentz forces to keep the mixture stirred up, like a circulating fluidized bed reactor for the lithium, Ni, etc. Ok, what about a plasma? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:NetworkWorld covers Report
Hi, What to think of this remark: Moreover, Rossi has also made claims, predictions, and announcements that have had no discernible basis in reality. Thus, every announcement and demonstration by Rossi over the last three years has been surrounded by a whirl of claims, counterclaims, and accusations of fraud along with endless theorizing in the alternative energy community (greetings, Vortex-L https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/). It suggests to me Mark is still following the list. And besides he send this message ;-) http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg96827.html If Mark would be unsubscribed, he wouldn't be able to send this message at all. Kind regards, Rob Kevin O'Malley schreef op 10-10-2014 07:08: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg96727.html On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Did he? You're sure? :-) On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: If Gibbs knows it's nonsense, why did he write it? It's frustrating that he unsubscribed from Vortex-L. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I find it disturbing that he wrote: The problem with Pons and Fleischmann’s claimed discovery was that no one could duplicate it . . . That is nonsense, and he knows it is nonsense. - Jed
[Vo]:Geyser Reactor Cascades / Transmutation System
Hi, I'm not sure if this was discussed here earlier, but I came across this website describing The Geyser Reactor Transmutation System. Seen in the light of presumed transmutation in the E-cat this might be interesting stuff to relate to. Ref. http://www.human-resonance.org/geyser_reactor.html Kind regards, Rob Dingemans
[Vo]:Are these potential candidates for LENR / cold fusion ?
Hi, I've been looking in the Periodic table into the electron configurations and I noticed some pecurilar things. The following elements show clear deviations from the Aufbau Principle. No Sym Name (en) 1s 2s 2p 3s 3p 4s 3d 4p 5s 4d 5p 6s 4f 5d 6p 7s 5f 6d 7p 024 Cr Chromium 2 2 6 2 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 028 Ni Nickel 2 2 6 2 6 1 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 029 Cu Copper 2 2 6 2 6 1 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 041 Nb Niobium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 046 Pd Palladium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 0 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 047 Ag Silver 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 1 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 057 La Lanthanum 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 059 Pr Praseodymium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 064 Gd Gadolinium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 089 Ac Actinium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 0 1 0 090 Th Thorium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 0 2 0 091 Pa Protactinium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 2 1 0 092 U Uranium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 3 1 0 093 Np Neptunium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 4 1 0 096 Cm Curium 2 2 6 2 6 2 10 6 2 10 6 2 14 10 6 2 7 1 0 Note: in case of Nickel there is a dispute about it's configuration, but if you follow the research literature, then it shows something interesting! Could the above electon configuration deviations with each a specific isotope configuration in combination with each it's own dedicated resonance frequency have some kind of relation with cavities and the possibility to fuse together with either protium, deuterium or tritium to form a higher element? Ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table_(electron_configurations) Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:Similarities between LENR versus Coke + Mentos ???
Hi, Just a thought. I was wondering if the process that takes place when you put a Mentos in a bottle of Coke shows sufficient similarities in the process that takes place in the case of LENR. Could the same type of process be responsible for the Heat effects we see in Rossi's reactor vessel? If this is the case then would it be sensible to conduct thorough investigation into the Coke + Mentos process to better understand what actually takes place? Naturally these principles could then most likely also be applied to the LENR field. Kind Regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Similarities between LENR versus Coke + Mentos ???
Hi, As far as I know, in both cases there is relevance of a catalyst which influences the cavities in the source material resulting in heat/pressure generation. Kind regards, Axil Axil schreef op 18-7-2014 19:24: What is that Coke process and what is the LENR process in your mind and how do you see the connection between the two. Please give use something to get us started. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, Just a thought. I was wondering if the process that takes place when you put a Mentos in a bottle of Coke shows sufficient similarities in the process that takes place in the case of LENR. Could the same type of process be responsible for the Heat effects we see in Rossi's reactor vessel? If this is the case then would it be sensible to conduct thorough investigation into the Coke + Mentos process to better understand what actually takes place? Naturally these principles could then most likely also be applied to the LENR field. Kind Regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Similarities between LENR versus Coke + Mentos ???
Hi, Ok, so it may only apply to the LENR reaction that takes place in Rossi's case. Could that mean that what happens in both processes could still be the same effect? Kind regards, Axil Axil schreef op 18-7-2014 20:12: Your proposed connection fails apart because LENR can occur without a catalyst whereas a coke event always needs a catalyst. Only Rossi LENR needs a catalyst. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, As far as I know, in both cases there is relevance of a catalyst which influences the cavities in the source material resulting in heat/pressure generation. Kind regards, Axil Axil schreef op 18-7-2014 19:24: What is that Coke process and what is the LENR process in your mind and how do you see the connection between the two. Please give use something to get us started. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, Just a thought. I was wondering if the process that takes place when you put a Mentos in a bottle of Coke shows sufficient similarities in the process that takes place in the case of LENR. Could the same type of process be responsible for the Heat effects we see in Rossi's reactor vessel? If this is the case then would it be sensible to conduct thorough investigation into the Coke + Mentos process to better understand what actually takes place? Naturally these principles could then most likely also be applied to the LENR field. Kind Regards, Rob
[Vo]:Is this really free energy or fake ???
Hi folks, I just came across an interesting experiment shown at youtube and was wondering what do you think of this demonstration shown? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz-Lupbn7mc I didn't try it myself, because as non-smoker I don't have a lighter at hand. What do you think, is it really free energy as envisioned by Tesla or a trick with induction? Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:NOT, OT or nOT, anyway possible interesting stuff
Hi, Don't know if anyone has mentioned this site before, but maybe interesting to take a look. Although this site is in German, I think it still offers some very interesting stuff even if you don't understand German at all. http://www.achtphasen.net/ Kind regards, MoB Μηδεîς αγεωμετρητος εστω
Re: [Vo]: NOT = NOT off topic, 2.188 = 2*1.094
Hi, On 22-12-2011 4:07, Jeff Driscoll wrote: Basically a high energy photon's first step towards becoming matter happens at orbitstate n = 1/137.05999679 which Mills terms the transition state orbitsphere. Here's that number 137 again, is it possibly the same 137 which applies to the maximum number of steps for squeezing a hydrino? Kind regards and a Merry X-mas to you all, MoB
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Happy Solstice
Hi, On 21-12-2011 19:27, Terry Blanton wrote: Or, you could take advantage of the endtimes and have some fun: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_MEXICO_APOCALYPSE_2012?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2011-12-20-15-15-48 There won't be any endtimes, this is a (purposely created?) misconception of some people due to misinterpretation or lack of sufficient knowledge of the Mayian (or for that matter any other) calender system. However as some may notice, a socalled Xiang Sheng season arises on the horizon and the Xiang Ke is fading away. Merry X-mas and Happy Solstice, MoB
Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact
Hi, On 15-12-2011 19:13, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: I wonder if MY is taking lessons from Mr. Krivit. I wonder if MY is one and the same Mr. Krivit. Could that explain the secrecy in the identity game? B.t.w. for those who say I do the same thing, look at the characters in my name and then realize it is actually an anagram for my name. So is Sending Rambo also another one. And for those who do understand Dutch I've a nice other one: Nam Gods Brein; which literally translated means took God's Brain ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Higgs, Alpha, and Ebenezer
Hi, On 13-12-2011 21:50, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From: http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/ By fitting a theoretical model of the composition of the Universe to the combined set of cosmological observations, scientists have come up with the composition that we described above, ~70% dark energy, ~25% dark matter, ~5% normal matter. What is dark matter? From the same page: What Is Dark Energy? More is unknown than is known. We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the Universe's expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery. But it is an important mystery. It turns out that roughly 70% of the Universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 25%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the Universe. Come to think of it, maybe it shouldn't be called normal matter at all, since it is such a small fraction of the Universe. As the writer correctly states, it depends of the POV what you call normal. As I understand it, the fact that we do exist in this form is actually the exception on the rule! About 15 years ago I've come to the conclusion that EVERYTHING that exists (including black holes), no matter in what state/condition it is, is actually energy in some kind of form, which is able to transform in several appearances. So said, this means that any kind of matter is equivalent to any kind of energy and vice versa. The thing that all these appearances have in common is the fact that they all work via a transformation-mechanism, which works with vibrations, but I guess that is also what Albert Einstein more or less meant when he made the following not commonly understood comment. Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter. - Albert Einstein Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Satellite Video Captures Cloaked Klingon Ship
Hi, I really like the following comment: http://gizmodo.com/people/lilstevie/lilstevie http://gizmodo.com/people/lilstevie/ @Raul Gonzalez http://gizmodo.com/5865808/has-nasas-satellite-captured-an-unidentified-object-near-mercury# It is really an earth ship, powered by a ZPM protecting us from the CME, like they did on atlantis Well, that's it for all those believers and sceptics, clear evidence that CF exists ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre
Hi, On 25-11-2011 17:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the fuel was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months. On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells... maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used? i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month, while it is very little consumed? it is cooked (crytal lattice modified by heat, chemical reactions), or contaminated with Cu, or D ... I fail to see the problem with Cu. If Stable 62Ni (or 64Ni) is used as the binding agent for the hydrinos then this results in Stable 63Cu (or 65Cu) which is on itself also a very good binding agent for the hydrinos and results in Stable 64Zn (or 66Zn). However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released
Hi, On 25-11-2011 18:37, Akira Shirakawa wrote: This brochure lacks substance by the way. There are no complete real photos of the 1MW power plant, very little technical info on it and almost nothing on the underlying processes other that it essentially runs on cold fusion. And who is Andrea Rossi? What exactly is an E-Cat? Why there's no mention of Focardi? What about patents? Certifications? Validations? Practical comparisons with competing energy sources? Wasn't cold fusion a scam ? And so on. This brochure needs much work. True from an engineering POV, but these type of brochures are usually the first to be released by Product Managers to attract very eager customers. After several revisions the brochure will most likely evolve into a more mature brochure (together with the e-cat itself) with a lot of info that engineers want to see. I've seen it happen in the course of several years with much less controversial products for new (ATT/Lucent Technologies) telecommunication technology as well. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!
Hi, On 25-11-2011 4:11, Terry Blanton wrote: Piantelli mentions in his patent that one way of stimulating the NiH reaction is an electrical impulse with a frequency between 20 and 40 kHz. If indeed Rossi's secret includes modulation frequencies in this range (I suspect they might be lower in frequency) then these should be audible. Now, my hearing has depleted significantly in terms of frequency response; but, some of the younger folks might have been able to hear such a high pitch sound. First of all I doubt if these frequencies are audible in the recordings at all, due to used filtering techniques. However if they could be present in the recordings, why not let a cat try to detect the high frequency sounds? At the following page I came across the following interesting info. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_senses Hearing Humans and cats have a similar range of hearing on the low end of the scale, but cats can hear much higher-pitched sounds, up to 64 kHzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz, which is 1.6 octaves above the range of a human, and even 1 octave above the range of a dog.^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_senses#cite_note-7 Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!
Hi, Yep, if I'm not mistaken these were around 19 kHz. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:The gas CO2 is patented by Dr. Mills and BLP as a hydrino catalyst
Hi, Sofar I've been thinking that the fusion process of Nickel and Hydrogen itself is the important part that takes place in Rossi's reactor. However after reading some enlighting stuff at Robin's page about hydrinos ( http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Hydrinos_explained.html ) I think I know why Rossi's reactor works. It seems to me it is a socalled two stage process. First the hydrogen is reduced to extremely small hydrinos which can have a maximum level of 137 which in that case produce a total energy of 255207.264 eV or 255.207 keV. To speed up this process the mixture of hydrogen and catalyst, is brought in resonance, hence the RF generator. Second the extremely small hydrinos need something to bind to, which in Rossi's case is 62Ni and results in 63Cu resulting in an additional energy release of 6.122 MeV So it appears that Nickel is possibly easy to be replaced by any other element which likes to bond with a hydrino. Preferably with a material such as 62Ni or 64Ni, which generates no or extremely small amounts of radiation. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:The gas CO2 is patented by Dr. Mills and BLP as a hydrino catalyst
Hi, On 19-11-2011 13:31, David ledin wrote: Nickel may not be necessary at all' What about 63Cu == 64Zn or 65Cu == 66Zn ? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:The gas CO2 is patented by Dr. Mills and BLP as a hydrino catalyst
Hi, On 19-11-2011 13:31, David ledin wrote: Nickel may not be necessary at all' I wonder if anyone has tried the following binding-agents? 39K (93.260%) == 40Ca 41K ( 6.730%) == 42Ca 44Ca ( 2.086%) == 45Sc == 46Ti 50Ti ( 5.180%) == 51V == 52Cr 54Cr ( 2.365%) == 55Mn == 56Fe 58Fe ( 0.282%) == 59Co == 60Ni 62Ni ( 3.634%) == 63Cu == 64Zn 64Ni ( 0.926%) == 65Cu == 66Zn 68Zn (18.800%) == 69Ga == 70Ge 70Zn ( 0.600%) == 71Ga == 72Ge 74Ge (35.940%) == 75As == 76Se 78Se (23.780%) == 79Br == 80Kr 80Se (49.610%) == 81Br == 82Kr Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Only two theories left. The big conspiracy theory and the true energy production theory.
Hi, Theory 1: ROFL. Theory 2: who knows. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Only two theories left. The big conspiracy theory and the true energy production theory.
Hi, You know it's not so much that theory 1 could not be true, but it's so damned unlikely that if I were you, I would write this scenario into a story book for a movie and sell the rights to a production company, I think this would make a good blockbuster. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
Hi, On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote: I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for 100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box. Not at all, ever heard of replacement modules? This is very common for many industrial, telecommunication and medical equipment as repairs on site are to time consuming and require usually to specialistic repair tools. Therefore faulty modules are usually exchanged on site with new or refurbished working ones. So the customer has a minimum period of the equipment being out of order. In the mean time the faulty modules are being repaired/refurbished at the factory of the supplier. Of course this requires good and valuable service contracts. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.
Hi, On 17-11-2011 0:17, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Well, it appears it is: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=33#comment-121582 Dear Frank Acland: Yes, it is the website of our North Europe commercial Branch. Warm Regards, A.R. This looks really very good and professional, including the certificate from the University of Milan. And I liked his page ECAT Applications very much with good and bad ideas; gosh were did we see those before ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi ecat website - confused
Hi, On 16-11-2011 12:22, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Andrea Rossi, if you read this forum, as I believe you do, take that web site down as it is not helping to tell your story. Do not let Sterling or any body else hijack your story. It is your to tell. That's probably also the reason why they (Andrea and his wife) launched the site ecat.com to get some positive exposure. I'm glad they finally took this step, while building the site in the meantime they were linking to other sites. I wouldn't be surprised at all if most of the comments entered by Andrea on the JoNP site are actually provided by his wife and occasionally a comment is added by Andrea himself when it is typed in Capitols. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna
Hi, On 17-11-2011 2:19, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 05:02 PM 11/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote By the way, Stremmenos writes in difficult Italian, even for native speakers. HE thinks in Greek, which he then translates to Italian. Rossi does the same thing with Italian/English. I wonder how they manage to get along! Yep, many people on this mailing list think in their foreign language and translate into English, which is a socalled SVO (Subject Verb Object) language. However Greek and Italian are both socalled SOV languages, so that could possibly make things a lot easier for both of them as they both can remain in the SOV pattern, while for them to communicate in English they both have to go from SOV to SVO and vice versa. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject-object-verb Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Is it a Bird? Is it a Plane?
Hi, On 17-11-2011 2:53, Terry Blanton wrote: Yessir, looks just like one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Spacelines_Super_Guppy Hmmm, don't you think this one looks a lot better ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_Beluga Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?
Hi, On 14-11-2011 19:28, Terry Blanton wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin The etymology of Aksai Chin is uncertain regarding the word Chin. As a word of Turk origin, aksai literally means white brook but whether the word Chin refers to Chinese or pass is disputed. The area is largely a vast high-altitude desert including some *_salt lakes_* from 4,800 metres (15,700 ft) to 5,500 metres (18,000 ft) above sea level. It covers an area of 37,244 square kilometres (14,380 sq mi). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_lakes A salt lake or saline lake is a landlocked body of water which has a concentration of salts (mostly sodium chloride) and other dissolved minerals significantly higher than most lakes (often defined as at least three grams of salt per liter). In some cases, salt lakes have a higher concentration of salt than sea water, but such lakes would also be termed hypersaline lakes. A salt lake that has a high content of sodium salts, especially chlorides and *_sulfates_*, is sometimes termed a soda lake. This did ring a bell to me, as I remember that during experiments conducted in chemistry-class, Copper-sulfate (CuSO_4 ·5H_2 O) creates crystals with a *_blue_* color while a solution of Copper-nitrate (Cu(NO_3 )_2 )has a *_green_* color and also creates crystals with a *_blue_* color. This could very well explain the blue-ish/greenish areas in these links http://g.co/maps/375xc and http://g.co/maps/73s5d In the areas in the second link I wouldn't be surprised at all when these are used to harvest Copper-sulfate/nitrate and during a special drying process the Copper is extracted. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper(II)_sulfate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_nitrate Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim
Hi, On 10-11-2011 20:59, Dusty wrote: That sounds about right! SCAM! While cleaning up my SPAM folder I stumbled across the following email of a month ago. It seems that spammers have found Rossi as a way to earn money as well. Kind regards, MoB == Return-Path: @unicredit.org Received: from mail.ecs-car.it (81-208-36-50.ip.fastwebnet.it [81.208.36.50]) Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:00:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from @unicredit.org) Received: from User (unknown [41.223.66.247]) by mail.ecs-car.it (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AB93F6C1627; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:25:06 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: marino.ross...@yahoo.com From: Rossi.@unicredit.org Subject: GOOD DAY, Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:01 -0700 Good Day My Partner, Firstly, I apologize for sending you this sensitive information via E-mail. In my banking department we discovered an abandoned sum of 13,000,000.00 EUR (Thirteen Million Euros Only) in an account that belongs to one of our Foreign customers who unfortunately lost his life with his entire family on his way to the Airport of Bologna. Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin or relatives to come over and claim his funds because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as Next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. We want you to come in as the Next Of Kin, all needed cooperation to make the claims will be given to you by us. If you are interested kindly let us have the below information and I will give you more details. 1. Full name 2: Your private telephone and Fax numbers. 3. Occupations and Nationality. 4. Date of Birth 5, Present Location We are offering 30% of the total sum to you as our partner. We will discuss much in details when I receive your response. Thanks and good luck to us. Best regards, Mr. Marino.Ross
Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
Hi, Any news from the Witch Doctor? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:wiki entry survived a deletion request
Hi, On 5-11-2011 2:50, Jed Rothwell wrote: Here is an interesting comment in the Wikipedia discussion from someone who claims he or she was present at the Oct. 6 test. Does anyone know what kettle stone means? Deposits from evaporated water? ... --Kv1970 A couple of remarks: 1: Kettle stone is a fairly blunt translation of the word ketelsteen, which is used in the Dutch language in the Netherlands and the (Northern) Flemish half of Belgium. Correct word should be limescale. 2: On the observer list was a person with the following name: Koen Vandenwalle (Production Engineer, Volvo, Ghent Belgium) 3: Ghent is residing in the Flemish part of Belgium. Ergo ... B.t.w. I remember that as a child we had a metal kettle for boiling hot water for a pot of tea in which ketelsteen appeared and if I'm not mistaken a special kind of egg-shaped object resided in this kettle; this egg-shaped object had a mesh structure with as purpose to collect all the limescale during the boiling of the water and had regularly to be cleaned with acetic acid. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Krivit's transcript of Rossi's Ah Ha moment, a cheap shot. (Part 2 of 2)
Hi, Don't know if this is of any help at all, but take a look at the following page. How to tell if someone is telling a lie or lying: Viewzone See: http://viewzone2.com/liarx.html Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
Hi, On 2-11-2011 19:07, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-11-01 10:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote: Steven A. Lawrence has presented a new argument, No I didn't. (No credit where no credit is due, please.) It's the same argument that's been bashed around for the last how-ever-many months. I think it's vanishingly unlikely that the power level could have been held constant to better than 1%, and precisely matched to the pump rate. Jed and a number of other people see no problem with it. That's it, in a nutshell, and my recent post didn't contain anything new except a simple calculation which nobody had bothered to do previously. Ok, then let me repeat it. You are ignoring some simple facts. As Sterling Allan points out at: http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/ Early in the day with a glitch showing up, Rossi said that they had to make a decision about whether to go for 1 MW output, not in self-sustain mode, or with self-sustain mode at a lower power level. The customer opted to go for the self-sustain mode. So in fact 1 MW was actually achieved by 107 (10 kW) modules containing each 3 e-Cats of 3.3 kW; see also the pictures of Rossi's report for these details. http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk In my opinion it only shows that to get 1 MW with a COP of infinite from such a system in self-sustain-mode it needs to be dimensioned to produce 2 MW with a COP of 6 in not-self-sustain-mode. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Hi, On 1-11-2011 19:43, Jed Rothwell wrote: I was a little surprised it worked so well. I feared it might be difficult to coordinate so many units, or there might be a problem with a steam pipe getting plugged up or one of the machines overheating. I feared there might be an accident. I was relieved to hear that they ran at moderate temperatures and low pressure. In hindsight I'm glad Rossi pursued his approach of building a big system to be shown to the World, which can produce up to 1 MW i.s.o. of showing only a couple of small e-cats with only a couple of kW. In fact I think Rossi did us all a tremendous favor as it just proves that this technology is absolutely mature and through it's basic simplicity and modularity just like building with Lego Bricks is extremely well scalable to any required size from small to extremely large. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
Hi, On 1-11-2011 22:31, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: That's with multiple E-cats working together, and with a system which was flaky enough that the final power level measured was just under half what it was supposed to be (that's a 50% variation from what was predicted). So, we've got a system whose output can't be predicted to better than 50%, yet its power output can be controlled with a precision of better than +/- 1/2 of a percent. Doesn't that strike you as just a little strange? Not at all, as you are ignoring some simple facts. As Sterling Allan points out at: http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/ Early in the day with a glitch showing up, Rossi said that they had to make a decision about whether to go for 1 MW output, not in self-sustain mode, or with self-sustain mode at a lower power level. The customer opted to go for the self-sustain mode. So in fact 1 MW was actually achieved by 107 (10 kW) modules containing each 3 e-Cats of 3.3 kW; see also the pictures of Rossi's report for these details. http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk In my opinion it only shows that to get 1 MW with a COP of infinite from such a system in self-sustain-mode it needs to be dimensioned to produce 2 MW with a COP of 6 in not-self-sustain-mode. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Hi, On 1-11-2011 22:33, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/11/1 Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com: For that matter, why would anyone think the Krivit test was fake? In Krivit's E-Cat we can directly calculate that power output was significantly less than with Mats Lewan's E-Cat. Something like 0.9-1.5 kW, depending on real flow rate. As lower limit was so close to input that was 800 watts, it is reasonable assumption that there was no excess heat. At least, not much. Wait a minute, if the e-Cat during this test in June was running in self-sustained-mode this matches approximately the results from the 28 October test. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Hi, On 1-11-2011 22:27, Jed Rothwell wrote: It does not look mature to me. Obviously you can use modules in this method but I think that is a wacky way to build a megawatt scale reactor. It has way too many individual modules and pipes, and way too many things that can go wrong and will go wrong. Many small cells integrated into a larger device would be better. Yes, this takes a lot of effort and time but that's just the power and essence of modularity, think small and put small modules that work well together to build large systems and achieve huge results. This is also how really large computer systems are designed and build. This is due to the fact that there is a limit to what technically can be achieved with single components and parts because of the constraints of the laws of physics and then you need to follow a different approach such as by designing and building for going in parallel. I have seen this years ago with capacity of digital transmission via light passing through optic fibers. The only way that Lucent's Bell Labs was able to tackle this problem and achieve higher capacity through their optic fibers was, by multiplexing light signals with a technique called DWDM (Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing). Therefore in my opinion Rossi has understood the concept of modularity perfectly well. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source for sports cars?) Probably not according this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_%28engineer%29 Kind regards, MoB *Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938) is an Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy automobile designer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_design and CEO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO of Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti_%28automotive%29 Srl. He studied mechanical engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_engineering at the Politecnico di Milano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politecnico_di_Milano, specializing in aerodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamics and car body design. He worked twenty-four years with Pininfarina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina, joining as a stylist in 1964, aged 26, and eventually becoming Managing Director and General Manager of Pininfarina's research arm, Pininfarina Studi Ricerche. Before founding Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti Srl in 1991 he held the positions of deputy General Manager at Ferrari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari and the director's role at the Centro Stile Alfa Romeo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo. Fioravanti designed the Ferrari Dino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Dino, the Ferrari Daytona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Daytona, the Ferrari P5 and P6, the Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_512_Berlinetta_Boxer, the Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 (the forerunner of the Ferrari 400 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_400), the Ferrari 308 GTB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB, Ferrari 288 GTO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_288_GTO and the Fiat 130 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_130. His two sons, Matteo, an architect, and Luca, an attorney, have also worked with him at Fioravanti Srl. On January 16, 2009 Leonardo Fioravanti was elected Chairman of ANFIA Car Coachbuilders Group for a 3 year mandate from 2009 to 2011.
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source for sports cars?) Probably not according this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_(engineer) Kind regards, MoB *Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938) is an Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy automobile designer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_design and CEO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO of Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti_%28automotive%29 Srl. He studied mechanical engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_engineering at the Politecnico di Milano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politecnico_di_Milano, specializing in aerodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamics and car body design. He worked twenty-four years with Pininfarina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pininfarina, joining as a stylist in 1964, aged 26, and eventually becoming Managing Director and General Manager of Pininfarina's research arm, Pininfarina Studi Ricerche. Before founding Fioravanti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fioravanti Srl in 1991 he held the positions of deputy General Manager at Ferrari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari and the director's role at the Centro Stile Alfa Romeo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo. Fioravanti designed the Ferrari Dino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Dino, the Ferrari Daytona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Daytona, the Ferrari P5 and P6, the Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_512_Berlinetta_Boxer, the Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 (the forerunner of the Ferrari 400 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_400), the Ferrari 308 GTB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB, Ferrari 288 GTO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_288_GTO and the Fiat 130 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_130. His two sons, Matteo, an architect, and Luca, an attorney, have also worked with him at Fioravanti Srl. On January 16, 2009 Leonardo Fioravanti was elected Chairman of ANFIA Car Coachbuilders Group for a 3 year mandate from 2009 to 2011.
Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
Hi, On 30-10-2011 16:11, Jed Rothwell wrote: 3. He is covering up a scam. #3 seems far-fetched but there is no hard evidence for any of these three. You can pick one and say your intuition favors it, but anyone who says they know for sure which it is should be asked to supply an independently verifiable reason for saying that. The default answer is not fraud or legitimate. It is, I don't know. Actually, I wouldn't stop with Rossi. I'd widen the circle. Ask ANYONE who has had close ties to Rossi if they know who Fiorvanati is. And if they don't know ask them if they might know the name of someone who might know. It might be worth it to contact Manutencoop's personnel department . . . That sounds like the kind of sleuthing Krivit loves to do. He is good at it, too. A thought that occurred to me: seen the bizarre position which Krivit has moved himself in towards Rossi, could it mean that if Krivit is not reporting in the (near) future about any leads regarding Fioravanti, that Krivit could have found information about Fioravanti and the company which supports Rossi's claims? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Hi, On 27-10-2011 17:35, Peter Heckert wrote: No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what magicians can do. So now you think Rossi is an illusionist a-la David Copperfield or someone else who is attending ? Do you really think that this fits with Rossi's flamboyant behaviour ? Also he can use an automated person distance detection system or both in combination or another person does it. Do you really believe this would work FLAWLESS in the environment Rossi has created ? He could have the switchbutton in his shoe, for example. Don't you think this sounds like kinda James Bond gadgets in Italian shoes ? Then you can obviously also tell us who might be Rossi's Q or not ? If somebody sees something unusual, this can be explained by the new high frequency device. Rossi always finds an explanation he is trained for 40 years or more. Yes, Rossi is an amazing engineer with a lot of capabilities but it seems to me he is not (and looks like he does not want to be) sufficiently trained or experienced in the area of social-engineering skills, and do you truly believe that 40 years of training is sufficient to provide an acceptable explanation for any anomaly occurring ? Aren't you looking for conventional answers to explain a Phenomenon that in reality might be like it is Science Jim but not as we know it ? Don't you think it's time to think outside the box and free your mind ? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Hi, On 27-10-2011 21:04, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have burned up. No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in ambient air. Lets say it has a temperature 5 degrees above ambient under full load. It is probably designed this way that it works safely under worst case conditions and 70° ambient temperatue for infinite time. If it conducts 2 times the maximum rating current then it has 20° over ambient after some hours but less after a shorter time. Nobody would notice this under this circumstances and it will still be perfectly safe. WRONG! Have you ever seen what happens to a certified extension cord which is used for twice or more the current for a longer period? Well it becomes hot, and the neoprene around it will finally melt and what happens, is that the Live and Neutral wire will create a short-circuit with sparks and you think no-one will notice this? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Lego patent expired
Hi, On 22-10-2011 0:33, Michele Comitini wrote: Childhood (and fatherhood) memories... http://boingboing.net/2011/10/21/expired-patent-of-the-day-lego.html Now anyone can make those bricks like the real stuff not just cheap imitations! ;-) mic As an AFOL I can only say: you are wrong ;-) ! Yes, the BASIC patents may have expired, but that was already known for some time. Step in to a toy store and you may find the answer to why it's almost impossible to compete with Lego. First of all talk to some true AFOL adepts and find out that all of them want the real thing and no cheap Chinese imitation because of rigorous quality control, excellent name branding and innovative designs. Second Lego has made some very very important deals with companies such as Ferrari, Lucas Film Industries and so on and you know why other cheap imitations won't be able to take a significant part of the pie ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:diathermic oil for heat transfer
Hi Terry, Not really, keep up the good work and valuable sometimes humorous comments you are providing. Kind regards, MoB On 20-10-2011 19:49, Terry Blanton wrote: sigh I must be on everyone's filter list. T On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Harry Veederhveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if this was already mentioned, but Rossi said on his blog this week that he might use a diathermic oil for heat tranfer in later versions of the eCat. I cite this as an example: http://www.paratherm.com/InfoServices/index.asp?vendorid=6010gclid=CIWOoM_R96sCFULrKgodmX3PuA Harry
Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light
Hi, On 14-10-2011 21:04, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The point is they're using a time value which is universal. An observer hanging in space, stationary, directly over the pole, looking down at GPS receivers all over the Earth would see that, at a given moment, they /all showed the same time/ (modulo time zone changes). True, but as a matter of fact there is currently only one manned space station, i.e. the ISS (international Space Station), which does not hang around in a single place around earth and certainly not above the North or South pole; it actually rotates between approx. 50 N and S in 1.5 hours around the earth. I'm not sure if it is even physically feasible to let it hang without any movement above one of the poles. See also http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ to locate where it passes. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:OT - formally just interesting- other FatCats in some trouble
Hi, On 12-10-2011 15:08, Peter Gluck wrote: It seems people still do not love Egality because it is an impossible, biased, false ant-mertocratic concept. But slowly the start to hate Inequality when it is in malign forms. Take this meta-movement and the Arab spring. It is important however that the solutions found should be better than the original problems. Or as they say: If you ain't part of the solution, you are part of the problem Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Water meters
Hi, On 12-10-2011 16:10, Horace Heffner wrote: Interesting. The secondary circuit flow meter can be read at the end of the test here: http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg I read the meter as 13.1403 m^3, or 1314.3 liters. Given the test lasted 526 minutes that is 1314.3 liter/(536 min.) = 2.45 liters/min = 0.0409 liters per second = 40.9 ml/s. Strange. The secondary flow rate was given as 178 ml/s, or 10.7 liters/min. In 526 minutes that would be 5628 liters, or 5.62 m^3. It appears the meter began the test at 7.25 m^3. Hmmm, I read that as 13.1403 m^3 is equal to 13,140.3 liter. Gives you 24.5 liters/min = 0.409 liters per second or 509 ml/s. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Water meters
Hi, Oeps, my finger slipped on the keyboard, last number should be 409 ml/s. On 12-10-2011 17:20, Man on Bridges wrote: Hmmm, I read that as 13.1403 m^3 is equal to 13,140.3 liter. Gives you 24.5 liters/min = 0.409 liters per second or 509 ml/s. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stremmenos from Defkalion GT
Hi, On 12-10-2011 18:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, The subject of this email says it all. Have a read at this open letter to Christos Stremmenos written by Alexandros Xanthoulis, Defkalion GT CEO: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=297 An English translation of Stremmenos' message to Defkalion GT appeared on JONP is supposed to be posted soon on NyTeknik. This is his original message in Italian mixed with some English: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=23#comment-94994 Cheers, S.A. In Dutch we have the saying: Als twee honden vechten om een been, loopt de derde er mee heen. Meaning: Quibbling (or worse) between two parties, leads to opportunities for a third party. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone else benefits from this, so I would recommend Rossi Defkalion come to an arrangement soon, as this is not a win-win situation for neither of them at the moment. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
Hi, On 12-10-2011 20:08, Joe Catania wrote: But an analyzer would eliminate doubt. You'd actually be measuring power instead of relying of neglecting something you know nothing about. A cheap secondhand CRT oscilloscope up to 10 MHz would show a lot of information as well ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: When is a square, not a square?
Hi, On 12-10-2011 21:13, Terry Blanton wrote: All squares are rectangles. I should know. It takes one to know one. True, but not all 3D rectangles are a platonic shape such as the cubes. B.t.w. my approximation says LxWxH = 40x40x20 cm is approx. ~32 liters. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: When is a square, not a square?
Hi, On 12-10-2011 21:41, Man on Bridges wrote: B.t.w. my approximation says LxWxH = 40x40x20 cm is approx. ~32 liters. That is for the outer box, so 30x30x30 is NOT possible according to me. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos calls Defkalion press release megalomaniac
Hi, On 12-10-2011 1:00, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: This is better than a weekly soap-opera! Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode where we'll all learn who's sleeping with who, and who the double-agent is! :-) -mark Those were the days, with the Campbells and the Tates. MoB //
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Release 10/10 -- Only 1 eCat
Hi, On 10-10-2011 19:56, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 1. For the 6 Oct test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. Oct 6 for the test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. By what means were the other two made inoperative? By what means-Were the other two made inoperative? They don't seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. They Do not Seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. Was the nickel powder left out of them? The nickel powder was left out of them? AR: 1 - only one reactor has-been inserted in the wafer It looks to me Rossi refers to the box as a wafer and not as what is common in wafer production to silicon wafers. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Release 10/10 -- Only 1 eCat
Hi, On 10-10-2011 21:02, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Nor its religious (catholic, at least) use. Yeah, I know; it's a long time ago I had one of these. Anyway, a single eCat means . ... more room for mice And you know what they say about cat and mice: NL: Als de kat van huis is dansen de muizen op tafel ;-) It seems, this translates fairly well in many languages. EN / US: when the cat's away the mice will play IT: quando il gatto non c'è, i topi ballano DE: Ist die Katze aus dem Haus, tanzen die Mäuse auf dem Tisch SE: När katten är borta, dansar råttorna på bordet RO: Când pisica nu-i acasă, joacă şoarecii pe masă And especially for the Mexicans: ¡Andale! ¡Andale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! ¡Yii-hah!, Hola, uno pussy gato. tú tienes uno problemente? ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi 6 Oct Experiment Data - Preliminary Data Analysis
Hi, On 8-10-2011 16:43, Craig Haynie wrote: I can't help but think back to the idea that it's not heat which triggers the reaction, but rather an event which causes the molecules to vibrate at a certain frequency. I think Znidarsic holds this view and, if correct, can identify the frequency needed from the work he's done. If so, then we would see a need for heat to start the reaction, and heat could then also be used to kill the reaction. If the molecules were vibrating faster than an optimum reaction would require, then shutting power down would increase the reaction as the temperature fell to the optimum point, killed only then by the lack of hydrogen. If this idea is correct, then the reaction should be stable and sustainable at a certain temperature and power spikes would be rare and short lived. This might also explain Rossi's 'frequency generator' that appears to be a mystery in this experiment. Indeed. As I mentioned earlier who says that the dials on the blue control box are just resistor values and not frequencies that can be adjusted? Does anyone have a definitive answer on that? What about a frequency around 900 kHz ? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: July 7th E-Cat test report
Hi, On 8-10-2011 17:44, Mattia Rizzi wrote: No, it isn't. He's talking about energy (Kwh) flow (/h) It's amazing that nobody reads the report. He wrote ENERGY PRODUCED. That's not energy flow, is energy produced. ANd it's not a typo, because he wrote it many many times. 2011/10/8 Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar mailto:ma...@lacy.com.ar On 10/07/2011 10:31 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: Stremmeson was a physics/chemistry professor from university of bologna. He made several error inside this report. That’s not a typo, is a conceptual error, a big one. No, it isn't. He's talking about energy (Kwh) flow (/h). http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kWh/h Although the expression may be confusing, the concepts are clear. Ok, once again Mattia, I know what you are referring to and you are right. The thing only is, it's not a matter of syntax but semantics as Stremmenson and others who say kWh/h i.s.o. kWh seem not to know or understand that kWh is already a unit of Energy which is ALWAYS expressed in power per time unit. You really need to read inter versus, to understand what Stremmenson meant to say. Yes, his syntax is wrong, but his semantics are right! If you don't understand what I mean, then please look up the meaning of the words SYNTAX and SEMANTICS. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:kWh/h notation
Hi, On 6-10-2011 19:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chris Tinsley once said to me you Americans use such quaint words such as gasoline. I told him that British English sounds quaint to us. In point of fact, most American English is older than British forms. We are the quaint ones. When people immigrate to areas with low population and few interactions, older forms are preserved. From the 17th to 19th centuries English speakers in North America were isolated and cut off from other speakers, compared to those back in England. So the pace of change in American English was slower than in England. Immigrant groups of people speaking Japanese and Chinese have preserved 19th-century versions of these languages more than the larger groups of speakers in those countries. Indeed a similar thing occurs when I hear South-Africans speak their language, as it is the quaint version of the Dutch language so it's quite easy for me to understand them and likewise they are generally able to understand me when I speak Dutch. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google [copy 2]
Hi, On 6-10-2011 21:45, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not think this came through. Others have reported this. I ran it though Google to save readers here the trouble. From: http://twitter.com/#!/raymond_zreick http://twitter.com/#%21/raymond_zreick Note that the fifth message down, from 46 minutes ago, says the Delta T was 5°C for 0.6 cubic meters of water per hour. That 600 L/h, 10 L/min, 1666 ml/s. It indicates 3.4 kW if I have done my arithmetic right. 1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.502 kW Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google
Hi, On 6-10-2011 21:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: From: http://twitter.com/#!/raymond_zreick http://twitter.com/#%21/raymond_zreick Note that the fifth message down, from 46 minutes ago, says the Delta T was 5°C for 0.6 cubic meters of water per hour. That 600 L/h, 10 L/min, 1666 ml/s. It indicates 3.4 kW if I have done my arithmetic right. 1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.5 kW Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test
Hi, On 6-10-2011 22:30, vorl bek wrote: 1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.5 kW This was 1/50 of the 1MW assembly, so it should be putting out 20kw. 3.5kw is a disappointment. Excuse me? This would result still for 52 eCats in 182 kW ! Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test
Hi, On 6-10-2011 22:32, Man on Bridges wrote: Hi, On 6-10-2011 22:30, vorl bek wrote: 1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.5 kW This was 1/50 of the 1MW assembly, so it should be putting out 20kw. 3.5kw is a disappointment. Excuse me? This would result still for 52 eCats in 182 kW ! Wait a minute, didn't each eLion consist of four eCats. So multipling by 4 results in 728 kW ! Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google
Hi, On 6-10-2011 23:19, Alan J Fletcher wrote: You're right ... but did they make sure that hordes of mice aren't peeing into the water flow? Here's a chart of mouse body-temperature fluctuations, which you'd better take into account. http://www.hhmi.org/news/popups/20060131_pop.html Ok, so now the question becomes how many eMice does an eCat need to catch to produce 3.5 kW of heat ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google
Hi, On 7-10-2011 0:08, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: I should ask my cat, Zoey. Couldn't you ask Charm as well? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: July 7th E-Cat test report
Hi, On 7-10-2011 0:30, Mattia Rizzi wrote: Stremmenson wrote: As a consequence, the total production of thermal energy of this particular reactor was: 9,412 Kwh/h + 1,22 Kwh/h = 10,6 Kwh/h He used kWh/h as an ENERGY. Hmmm, I think what he meant to say was that he was referring to the amount of energy generated in an hour, but he didn't realize that when using kWh as unit it is already a unit of energy per hour. It's like when people talk about white snow or green grass. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: July 7th E-Cat test report
Hi, On 7-10-2011 0:46, Mattia Rizzi wrote: Man on Bridges, kWh/h if you leave the two h means kW, POWER. As a consequence, the total production of thermal energy of this particular reactor was: 9,412 Kwh/h + 1,22 Kwh/h = 10,6 Kwh/h equals to As a consequence, the total production of *thermal energy* of this particular reactor was: 9,412 Kw + 1,22 Kw = 10,6 Kw It's simply wrong. I know what you are referring to and you are right. The thing is, it's not a matter of syntax but semantics as Stremmenson and others who say kWh/h i.s.o. kWh seem not to know or understand that kWh is already a unit of energy which is always expressed in power per time period. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent
Hi, On 7-10-2011 1:03, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 03:26 PM 10/6/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The fatcat produced 12,500 kJ 50.4 MJ I calculated 12,500 kJ in one hour (copy of excel cells -- so excuse the formatting) temp 5 A cu m/hr 0.6 m3 to kg 1000 kg/hr 600 B kJ/kG 4.187 C kJ in 1 hr 12561 A*B*C kJ to kWh 0.000278 kWh 3.491958 kJ 12561 Mouse kJ/day 50 Mouse kJ/hr 2.08 Mice 6029.28 Let's elaborate a bit more about the eCat that digested the eMice. Found on German wikipedia at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mäuse it says: Mäuse erreichen eine Kopf-Rumpf-Länge von 4,5 bis 12,5 Zentimetern, hinzu kommt ein 3 bis 11 Zentimeter langer Schwanz. Das Gewicht, soweit bekannt, liegt zwischen 12 und 35 Gramm. or in English: Mice reach a head-body-length ranging between 4.5 upto 12.5 cm, added is a 3 upto 11 cm long tail. The weight, sofar known, is between 12 and 35 grams. Lets assume an average length of 8.5 cm with a 7 cm long tail and a diameter of 3 cm and an average weight of 23.5 gram. Ok now try to squeeze these mice in the smallest possible space and assume the tails can be placed between the mice requiring no extra space in the volume in a L*B*H box. This results in (10 * 8.5 cm) * (30 x 3 cm) * (20 x 3 cm) + (1 * 8.5 cm) *(1 * 3 cm) * (30 * 3 cm ) , this means these 6030 mice (Hey, we don't like partial mice ;-) )need a volume of approx. 461 liter and have a weight of 142 kg. So I guess we can rule that one out as possible energy source, can't we ? ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent
Hi, On 7-10-2011 1:58, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:44 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Mice reach a head-body-length ranging between 4.5 upto 12.5 cm, added is a 3 upto 11 cm long tail. The weight, sofar known, is between 12 and 35 grams. Lets assume an average length of 8.5 cm with a 7 cm long tail and a diameter of 3 cm and an average weight of 23.5 gram. Ok now try to squeeze these mice in the smallest possible space and assume the tails can be placed between the mice requiring no extra space in the volume in a L*B*H box. This results in (10 * 8.5 cm) * (30 x 3 cm) * (20 x 3 cm) + (1 * 8.5 cm) *(1 * 3 cm) * (30 * 3 cm ) , this means these 6030 mice (Hey, we don't like partial mice ;-) )need a volume of approx. 461 liter and have a weight of 142 kg. So I guess we can rule that one out as possible energy source, can't we ? ;-) As a cross-check, their density is very close to that of water. That gives 142 liters -- which has to fit in the 90 L fatcat. But my 50 kJ/day was for RESTING metabolism. They only have to do it for 4 hours. What's the ACTIVE metabolism? 100 kJ/hr ? So only 3015 are needed, and they fit in 70 litres .. with plenty of room to spare. Hmmm, but that means they are squeezed so tightly, they have no room at all to breath (i.e. expanding their chest); have you ever tried to breath in and out while someone is sitting on your chest? Don't think they will manage that for four hours. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent
Hi, On 7-10-2011 2:14, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:44 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Ok now try to squeeze these mice in the smallest possible space and assume the tails can be placed between the mice requiring no extra space in the volume in a L*B*H box. This results in (10 * 8.5 cm) * (30 x 3 cm) * (20 x 3 cm) + (1 * 8.5 cm) *(1 * 3 cm) * (30 * 3 cm ) , this means these 6030 mice (Hey, we don't like partial mice ;-) )need a volume of approx. 461 liter and have a weight of 142 kg. Rest to Active metabolism is 8X OK .. to allow breathing room ... take 461/8 = 57 liters. COULD be mouse-powered Ok, could be, but feasible ? Nah, don't think so. Hmmm, keeps me wondering what would happen if the mice were to be replaced by any other type of rodent or other living being or plants ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent
Hi, On 7-10-2011 2:35, Alan J Fletcher wrote: And of course, the 1630 mice could have scurried out of the hose. Was anyone watching it? Ah, that's why Rossi needs the 2.5 inch pipe to let the steam out ;-) Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent
Hi, On 7-10-2011 3:01, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 05:35 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Hmmm, keeps me wondering what would happen if the mice were to be replaced by any other type of rodent or other living being or plants ;-) The metabolic rate of animals goes up as mass ^ 0.75 ... but then they need more space, so I think smaller is better. Also : http://www.jstor.org/pss/30158552 Time-averaged sustained metabolic rate at peak lactation reached 7.2 times BMR; this ratio is evidently close to a ceiling on sustained metabolic scope. Assuming my original 50 kJ/day base and ratio of 7.2 gives a mere 64 liters What about very small fish? They exchange due to their small body size (in contrast to whales) a lot of energy with the water, which again is ideal to transfer the heat. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
Hi, On 5-10-2011 19:40, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: 3) Secondary water flow will be properly measured and regularly recorded, but input primary power measurements will still be inconclusive. i would REALLY like to see Voltage and Current (Thru-Line , not clamp-on, measured from an eCat equivalent of mains distribution) They say primary input power we turned off for most of the test. The machine will be run in heat after death mode. so input power measurements will not be a factor. In any case, the output power is reportedly 15 kW and there is no way an ordinary wire could conduct that much electricity, so you can rule that out. I second Jed's statement with these simple facts: With a Copper resistivity/m of 0.0175 this requires a wire with a thickness of 10.0 mm^2 or a diameter of 3.57 mm (= approx. AWG 7 ! ), which results in a wire of 0.00175 ?. Such wire is VDE approved for a maximum of 66.00 A and with single phase 230V AC this results in a maximum power of 15300 W! As far as I can see from the photos of the Rossi reactor, the wires to the heating resistors are a lot thinner than the 3.57 mm diameter. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
Hi, On 5-10-2011 21:02, Peter Heckert wrote: They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power through the legs or through a distant coil using resonance transformation effects. And you would think that their equipment or other electronic devices are not affected by such large electro-magnetic field? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos
Hi, :-)), good one. MoB
Re: [Vo]:Russian Roulette, Murphy, and Independent Events
Hi, On 2-10-2011 14:25, Horace Heffner wrote: When playing dice the probability p of rolling a 1 in a single roll is 1/6, the probability q of not rolling a 1 is q = 1-p = 5/6. The probability of rolling two 1's in two rolls is p^2 = 1/36, because the two rolls are independent events. More interesting is the probability of not rolling any 1's at all. Call this success. Similarly, for two rolls, this probability is q^2, or *5/36*, because the rolling events are independent. It does not matter the order in which order the die are rolled or whether they are rolled simultaneously. For n casts of the die, the probability of success is q^n. The probability of failure is thus 1-q^n = 1-(1-p)^n. This should of course be read as: Similarly, for two rolls, this probability is q^2, or *25/36*, In other words, if there is any possibility of failure, i.e. q1, then repeated events eventually, much more quickly than ordinary common sense dictates, result in failure. For example, if the probability of a catastrophe when drinking and driving once is 1/1000 = .001, then the probability of *no* catastrophe in 100 such events is 1-.999^100 = 0.095, or about 1%. This should of course be read as: then the probability of *a* catastrophe in 100 such events is 1-.999^100 = 0.095, or about 1%. As earlier said: The probability of failure is 1-q^n = 1-(1-p)^n. Each event is independent, yet the combined effect of repeating events has a dependent nature. This is sometimes called the Russian roulette effect. No, this suggests that the pistol has a memory, which is of course false. The Russian roulette effect is a mental process that happens between the ears of the person (with his a memory!) spinning the cylinder. This brings back memories during my student time when we had a similar discussion among students about throwing a dice so we decided to perform an experiment and it turned out that statistically after throwing a thousand times the dice this resulted in an almost equal number of times that all the numbers of the dice were thrown. That's also the reason why well performed surveys always require a representative amount of people to be interviewed. Similarly, if a condom brand has a 1% chance of failure, then 100 uses results in a probability of failure at some time in those uses of 1-.99^100 = 0.634 = 63%. Correct, but as you know condoms are for obvious reasons meant for single use only ;-) If a product, like a vehicle, is used N=50 minutes a day by M=10,000,000 people, and the probability of failure in any given minute is p, then the probability of some failure P in a year is given by: P = 1-(1-p)^N*M*365 = 1-q^1825 Is is easy to see then, that for a product used by many people that, as time goes on, the number of opportunities for failure, n=(years)*N*M*365, becomes very large. No matter how close q is to 1, q^n then approaches zero. If anything can go wrong it will. This is Murphy's law. True, and that's also the reason why only MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) is used for critical parts, systems, etc. for military vehicles, aircraft and spacecraft. So a MTBF for a vehicle of once in 1 year could statistically result with P = 1-q^n in 1-(1-(1/MTBF))^M = 1-(1-(3600*24*365))^10,000,000 = 0,2717 or 27,17 % total failure once a year. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Russian Roulette, Murphy, and Independent Events
Hi, Minor correction. On 3-10-2011 18:38, Man on Bridges wrote: True, and that's also the reason why only MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) is used for critical parts, systems, etc. for military vehicles, aircraft and spacecraft. So a MTBF for a vehicle of once in 1 year could statistically result with P = 1-q^n in 1-(1-(1/MTBF))^M = 1-(1-(3600*24*365))^10,000,000 = 0,2717 or 27,17 % total failure once a year. True, and that's also the reason why only MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) is used for critical parts, systems, etc. for military vehicles, aircraft and spacecraft. So a MTBF for a vehicle of once in 1 year could statistically result with P = 1-q^n in 1-(1-(1/MTBF))^M = 1-(1-(*1/*3600*24*365))^10,000,000 = 0,2717 or 27,17 % total failure once a year. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Russian Roulette, Murphy, and Independent Events
Hi, On 3-10-2011 19:28, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-10-03 12:38 PM, Man on Bridges wrote: Hi, On 2-10-2011 14:25, Horace Heffner wrote: In other words, if there is any possibility of failure, i.e. q1, then repeated events eventually, much more quickly than ordinary common sense dictates, result in failure. For example, if the probability of a catastrophe when drinking and driving once is 1/1000 = .001, then the probability of *no* catastrophe in 100 such events is 1-.999^100 = 0.095, or about 1%. This should of course be read as: then the probability of *a* catastrophe in 100 such events is 1-.999^100 = 0.095, or about 1%. Both wrong. Where'd you guys get those 1% values, anyway? 1 - 0.001 = 0.999, sure enough. But 0.999 ^ 100 = 0.904792147, which means there's about 90% chance of no catastrophe, or about 10% chance of a mess. Strangely, neither of you got the 10% number, even though it's not just correct, it's also what you'd guess if you didn't know anything (1 chance in 1000, repeated 100 times, give about 1 chance in 10 of hitting). Ah, I see I also misread Horrace's number 0.09520...; you are right about the 0.095 or 9.5%; Horrace and I both overlooked the position of the decimal point, but my point was that Horrace reversed q(success) and p(failure) values and if you add it to 0.90479... (success), you will see that the total is 1 or 100%. So the numbers are still right! But that's why peer-reviews are important for those kind of matters. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Russian Roulette, Murphy, and Independent Events
Hi, On 3-10-2011 23:00, Horace Heffner wrote: I changed the referenced text to read: For example, if the probability of a catastrophe when drinking and driving once is 1/1000 = .001, then the probability of a catastrophe in 600 such events is 1-.999^600 = 0.45, or about 45%. Of course the probability of a catastrophic event is much larger if the drinking is very heavy, perhaps 0.1. The probability of a catastrophe in 20 such events is 1-0.9^20 = 0.878, or about 88%. Each event is independent, yet the combined effect of repeating events has a dependent nature. This is sometimes called the Russian roulette effect. Which very clearly demonstrates that drinking and driving don't go together. Though many people believe that they are not negatively influenced by any alcohol or drugs and are still able to drive a car, truck, train, ship or airplane. Therefore in most countries a limit of 0.5 promille is used for alcohol levels while driving a car. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Plug-in hybrid Prius announced
Hi, On 30-9-2011 19:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: That's $32,000 in Japan. I do not know why but cars cost more there. It might be cheaper elsewhere. I expect a 20 km range is enough for most people's commuting range in Japan. It might not be enough in the US. The GM volt range is nominally 40 miles (64 mi). Even 10 km would save a lot of gasoline with some niche applications, and for some customers. There are conversion kits for regular Priuses with that range. - Jed Well, recently I had an offer for the 100% electric Peugeot iOn for approx. 34,000.00 euro but that is without approx. 4,000.00 euro tax reduction because it is considered an environmental friendly car. According the manufacturer specs. it has lithium-ion batteries with an actieradius of 150 km and top speed of 130 km/h. and can be charged with 220V AC in 6 hours or 380 DC in 30 minutes. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Hi, On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote: Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of catastrophic failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one of the E-cats can blow up spreading steam throughout the container. There is thus a 0.999 probability of success, i.e. no explosion for one E-cat, operating for one hour.The probability that all 52 E-cats perform successfully for a 24 hour test period is then 0.999^(52*24) = .287. That means there is a 71.3% chance of an explosion during a 24 hour test. Me thinks you are wrong. Your statistical probability calculation is based upon the fact that the chance of a single Ecat exploding is influenced by it's behaviour earlier, which of course is not true. Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any given moment which does not change over time. With your probability of 0,1% chance per hour this would result for the whole of 52 Ecats then in a chance of explosion at any given moment of 1 - (0.999^52) = .05 or 5%. Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the chance of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2,77e-7 per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would result for 52 Ecats into 1-((2,77e-7)^52) = 0,134 or 0,00144% at any time. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Hi, Oeps, the commas must be periods so this should of course be red as: Me thinks you are wrong. Your statistical probability calculation is based upon the fact that the chance of a single Ecat exploding is influenced by it's behaviour earlier, which of course is not true. Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any given moment which does not change over time. With your probability of 0.1% chance per hour this would result for the whole of 52 Ecats then in a chance of explosion at any given moment of 1 - (0.999^52) = .05 or 5%. Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the chance of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2.77e-7 per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would result for 52 Ecats into 1-((2.77e-7)^52) = 0.134 or 0.00144% at any time. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Re: Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Hi, On 29-9-2011 16:28, Jed Rothwell wrote: Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any given moment which does not change over time. I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions are caused by the overall temperatures and pressures of the machine. When a machine made up of several different components -- such as tube boiler or a fission reactor -- the components influence one another. The Fukushima reactor meltdown not caused by one fuel rod uncovered that became too hot. It was caused by all of them uncovered simultaneously. In the Rossi 1 MW reactor, the units are connected. I think they are in series as well as in parallel, which means that hot water or steam will go from one will go to the next, and one will influence the next. This may be correct, but my point is that the chance of any mishap occurring at any given moment still remains the same. The Ecats don't have in contrast to living beings like humans and animals any memory regarding to what happened in the previous moments to decide whether it is time to explode or not. What he is doing is similar to what the Wright brothers did from 1906 to 1908. They stopped flying airplanes, stopped designing new ones, and concentrated mainly on building better internal combustion engines instead. They were quite good at this. The engines they came up with were among the best around for aviation, with high ratios of power to weight. But there were thousands of experts of internal combustion engines who were better qualified than Wrights, and who could have done a better job. They did do a better job after 1908. In 1906, the Wrights knew _far_ more about aerodynamics and the physics of flight than anyone else in the world. They should have concentrated on what they knew best, leaving other details to other experts. It was a waste of time for them to work on engines at that stage in the development. True, but you have to admit, those other engineers could have done a better job then the Wright brothers, but those other engineers didn't for whatever reason do it. If we would have followed thread according your philosophy starting from the invention of the wheel we probably wouldn't have had any computers nowadays. This is what it is all about with inventing anything at all, which makes Rossi with his peer persistence stand out of the crowd as a true inventor. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Hi, On 29-9-2011 16:21, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a snake is not doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his controversial scientific evidence... it does not serve Rossi's goals. I think it hinders them. Incredibly so. I prefer based upon the weird and negative behaviour Krivit towards Rossi is showing not to call him a SNAKE, but in chinese analogy to call him a RAT, as he shows the similar kind of behaviour. It appears to me Krivit has some kind of hidden agenda but I don't understand what he is gaining with this, but there must be some kind of reason why he behaves like this. And personally I couldn't care less the way how Rossi reacts upon him, as long as Rossi puts his efforts in developing his Ecat, because the world is in urgent need of this kind of device. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on NET Krivit
Hi, On 29-9-2011 20:40, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Mr. Krivt also claims he no longer participates in discussion groups like the Vort Collective. However, I suspect Mr. Krivit has his helpers who will report anything of interest to him, such as what occasionally comes out of the Vort Collective. Ok, than why for example does he in the discussion about steam quality etc. refer on his blog to a message posted by Horace and picks only those parts that show he is right and purposely neglects any other information brought forward by other posters in the Vort Collective? Ref. http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/15/collected-comments-on-sept-7-afternoon-rossi-test/ This is what is written at his blog: By Horace Heffner posted on Vortex Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:14:08 -0700 [Valkonen's] post seems to be utterly out of touch with reality, a total fantasy. It is shocking to read. I don’t know whether to respond or not. This appears to me definitely as a one-sided news report, which in my opinion discredits Krivit as an unbiased objective reporter regarding the Rossi saga. Or as they say what goes around comes around. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Shipping Rossi container
Hi, On 20-9-2011 9:43, Michele Comitini wrote: Is the 1MW container on its way to US? Sending something like that can take weeks. They must have packed everything and sent. The end of october is near. mic I was wondering about this too. Rossi had to adjust his original plans to ship the container to Greece and hence the associated planning and logistics (incl. shipping it to a container port) and naturally the required paperwork for his not so usual contents of this container. Has Rossi thought about even the slightest possibility of someone breaching the Customs seals of his container to find out what is inside the e-cats? For a stowaway on a container ship it may be sufficient time to find out what the e-cat is made of. Given the above thoughts well I know what precautions I would put in place to prevent anyone finding out about the contents of the e-cat. Or is he possibly traveling together with his container with kittens? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
Hi, On 21-9-2011 1:25, Michele Comitini wrote: Standard pipes use inches as unit of measure. Should be one in the table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_Pipe_Size Not always according the following page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nennweite It says: Bei Kupferrohren wird der Außendurchmesser in mm (10; 12; 15; 18; 22; 28; 35; 42; 54; 64 usw.) angegeben. Die reale Nennweite beträgt dann bei 10-22 2 mm; bei 22-42 3 mm und bei 54+64 4 mm weniger Or in English: With Copper pipes is the Outer Diameter in mm (10; 12; 15; 18; 22; 28; 35; 42; 54; 64 etc.) listed. The actual Inner Diameter is then in case of OD 10-22 mm 2 mm less; in case of OD 22-42 mm 3 mm less and in case of OD 54 or 64 mm 4 mm less. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
Hi, On 20-9-2011 0:11, Horace Heffner wrote: It is not necessarily true that the E-cat can not harm a fly if there is no excess energy produced. This is because purely normal electrical input may be enough to blow the thing up.The 4 metric tons of mostly steel constitute an enormous thermal mass. With a steel heat capacity of 0.49 J/(gm K), the 1 MW E-cat has a possible thermal mass Mt given by: Mt = (0.49 J/(gm K))(4 tons)(1x10^6 gm/ton) = 1.96x10^6 J/K On 19-9-2011 23:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: It's quite odd to notice that on the skeptical side of the fence the subject of CF continues to be perceived as a bogus completely unproven source of energy. Therefore, one would infer from such conclusions that Rossi's 1 MW demonstration couldn't possibly harm a fly. If it is fake, presumably those are electric heaters. Fake or real, it will produce a great deal of steam -- presumably about a megawatt, or it will not fool anyone. He could hardly get away with dry ice instead of steam. 1 MW of anything is dangerous: steam, hot water, hot air, electricity . . . Very dangerous! It's funny to notice everyone (believers and skeptics) is talking about a 1 MW power plant, but if it has at least a COP of 6, which Rossi claims, then the input is a maximum of 167 kW! So if it's fake, there is only a 167 kW that can be dangerous, don't get me wrong that can still be very dangerous. But if you are a true skeptic than the calculations should be based also upon this fake amount of 167 kW i.s.o. 1 MW, because everyone can see the amount of energy that is put in it! Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:What is steam quality?
Hi, On 16-9-2011 14:55, Daniel Rocha wrote: And working with old computers would never be easier than new ones. They actually require much more sophisticated knowledge of computing to operate them than nowadays. The more hi-tech something is, the dumber it is. Hear, hear, someone who speaks from experience ;-) Although sometimes very rudimentary, old computers have one very big advantage over new PCs: they actually do what you tell them to do and don't do for you what they (ehum) think you mean want them to do. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
Hi, On 14-9-2011 12:05, Peter Heckert wrote: Can this be? The Hydrogen bottle lost 25 bar of pressure and about 42 grams of hydrogen between April and September. Does this make sense? Well the following table is what the conditions might have been of the bottle; Presumed the contents of the bottle is 150 liter and the constant for this specific case is assumed 40; other numbers work as well, as long as the data in all fields in the same column for Volume and Constant is kept all the same. I leave it up to you to decide if this is feasible. DatePressureVolume Boyle Temp Bottle P*V/T P*V/c (bar) (liter) (deg. K)(deg. C) April 19, 2011 85 150 40 318,75 45,6 April 28, 2011 85 150 40 318,75 45,6 September 7, 2011 60 150 40 225 -48,15 The difference in 42 grams is easily explained; Rossi has done several other tests in the period between April 28 and September 7, in fact between April 19 and April 28 most likely also a test was performed by Rossi, due to the difference of 0.3 grams. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
Hi, On 14-9-2011 15:05, Joe Catania wrote: I have to laugh at the hydrogen weight measurement in the Nyteknik Preliminary Report. The report a 2.7 gram drop in weight after filling with hydrogen. But an average air molecule weighs about 28 whereas hydrogen at 60 bar weighs 120 so you should see a gain. It seems you misunderstood the term filling. It means filling the Rossi rector and NOT the Hydrogen bottle. These numbers apply to the Hydrogen bottle only and not the Rossi reactor. So filling in this case means removing or better said using from the bottle of Hydrogen. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi e-cat catalyzer, Gamma rays
Hi Horrace e.a., On 14-9-2011 23:40, Horace Heffner wrote: In any case, I think there is no reasonable possibility of a Co60 source of any possible significance being hidden behind the 2 cm lead shielding. However, there are various other radioactive materials that very well might be hidden behind a few cm of lead, and which might indeed be catalytic - especially beta producers. This brings me back to why I brought these questions forward. Let's suppose Rossi is using somekind of radiation source (not necessarily Co60) as a catalyzer. Is it then possible to determine the catalyzer, if the following parameters are known? 1. Maximum allowed radiation level which passes safety certification. 2. Maximum lead shielding thickness used around the reactor. Kind regards, MoB
