If it's all about science and scholarship then why did the IPCC get caught
fraudulently changing the data when it showed a cooling trend? Because it
aint all about science scholarship. There are added dimensions of
politics, human nature, fraud, culturalism, and bullshit in the global
warming
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
If it's all about science and scholarship then why did the IPCC get caught
fraudulently changing the data when it showed a cooling trend?
That is nonsense. It resembles assertions that cold fusion researchers
committed fraud. There is no fraud in
There are only experts who understand what they are doing
I would have more confidence if they could get the weather right more
often, which includes temperature and precipitation
Fraud is too strong a word. Last I heard, there was controversy about
including temps from the 1930's ( which were unusually high). Some people
would discard them as an outlier, others would include them entirely. I can
understand both opinions.
ehh, no, that one is fair. Some guys got caught fudging numbers. it
happens, sadly.
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
If it's all about science and scholarship then why did the IPCC get caught
fraudulently
here's 2 reports to chew on. good luck digesting them. it doesn't even
reach back to the the fraudulent emails from ipcc yet.
Dishonest global warming reports are good, as long as they promote certain
agenda, paper says
Ha ha. Deniers of global warming are so delusional.
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2014/05/22/lomborg-hypes-already-debunked-bengtsson-story-in-new-forbes-column/
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
here's 2 reports to chew on. good luck digesting
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
There are only experts who understand what they are doing
I would have more confidence if they could get the weather right more
often, which includes temperature and precipitation
That is a completely separate discipline, based on different data and
Bullsht
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
There are only experts who understand what they are doing
I would have more confidence if they could get the weather right more
often, which includes temperature and
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
here's 2 reports to chew on. good luck digesting them. it doesn't even
reach back to the the fraudulent emails from ipcc yet.
I can serve up thousands of similar reports on cold fusion, from
newspapers, universities, national labs, Wikipedia and a
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Bullsht
The comparison between weather forecasting and long term climate change is
not bullshit at all. It has been made by many experts. There are many other
scientific fields with similar limitations, and also fields such as
history, psychology, social
They can't decide where the heat is going
It's the Pacific.no Wait, It's the Atlantic
They sure as hell can't predict the next ice age either. Or the next CME,
or most of the asteroids that are out there
I can serve up thousands of similar reports on cold fusion,
***And you do. You serve up factual reports on cold fusion. And there are
thousands of factual reports on global warming. Some conclude there's
manmade warming, others conclude it's caused by the sun. Imagine that:
the sun warms up
The problem with outside money is far greater than what happened with Walker.
The Federal government needs to restrict money/lobbyists from foreign countries
such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and more. This wrongful influence is why the US
is sent to war when it offers no benefit to the nation.
If the Federal government is elected with their money, it's like asking you
to kill your mother.
2013/9/11 Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
**
The Federal government needs to restrict money/lobbyists from foreign
countries such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and more.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...
I won't even be surprised if the guardian was
VS. Nearly 1 trillion on oil industries and expenses on defense!
2013/9/10 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN
The difference surely is the motive?
Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard working
individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms on it.
Money donated by these groups is out of self interest to continue polluting
for profit.
If that seems the
I was answering Alain.
2013/9/10 John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
The difference surely is the motive?
Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard working
individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms on it.
Money donated by these groups is
As was I, or at least I meant to.
Gmail hides the quoted text and I was not careful enough to reply to the
right email.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I was answering Alain.
2013/9/10 John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
The difference surely
Oil industry is not holly, this is why they fund such NGO.
The climate skeptic battle is not pushed by big corps, at most funded by
few rich individual and by some maverick politicians.
that does not remove the fact that beside the big money, the big political
battle between modern NGO and old
It's September 10 in Madison, Wisconsin, and the high for today is predicted
to reach 92 degrees. It reached well over 90 degrees yesterday. Humid too.
It's September, and we're experiencing July August highs.
I've lived in Madison since 1967. I don't recall it being this hot so late
into
On 09/10/2013 08:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
It's September 10 in Madison, Wisconsin, and the high for today is predicted
to reach 92 degrees. It reached well over 90 degrees yesterday. Humid too.
It's September, and we're experiencing July August highs.
I've lived in
record is easy since there is an average increase of temperature since 200
years.
there is global warming since 1800. OK.
it was not anthropic until 1950 says IPCC... why not.
today it is flat... it was similarly flat around 1940 (and IPCC pretended
to understand why, ah ah), ok mean nothing,
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Pro-Walker Outside-of-the-state financial campaign funds went
obscenely through the roof in an effort to assure that their favorite
conservative would remain in the seat.
I have no opinion
Try to imagine:
Politics without money.
2013/9/10 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
States should not allow funding to come in from other states. Here in
California we see some really funny ballot propositions funded by people in
other states, who are trying to influence politics here.
Another speaker from Switzerland. Showed a picture of the top of
Matterhorn. It broke off and slid
down. The culprit, the melting of the permafrost due to global warming.
Frank
On 03/31/2010 05:29 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Another speaker from Switzerland. Showed a picture of the top of
Matterhorn. It broke off and slid down. The culprit, the melting of
the permafrost due to global warming.
This happened in 2003, according to stories I saw when I googled
[mailto:sa...@pobox.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:56 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Global Warming
Jeff Fink wrote:
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
11-24-09
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails.
Since when are leaked emails a source of anything except
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Since when are leaked emails a source of anything except noise?
What reason is there for believing that a leaked email which supports
the agenda of the one who reveals it is not a actually a *forged*
email?
They are real. Quoting Eugene Robinson:
Phil Jones,
Jeff Fink wrote:
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
11-24-09
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails.
Since when are leaked emails a source of anything except noise?
What reason is there for believing that a leaked email which supports
the agenda of the one who reveals it is
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote:
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
11-24-09
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails.
Actually, I believe they were hacked.
Terry
Jeff Fink wrote:
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that the
scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming agenda have
been suppressing and altering data.
It shows that some of them have been doing this, to some extent, mainly in
ways that are
From Jeff Fink:
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that the
scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming agenda have
been suppressing and altering data.
...
Speaking of agendas, read:
THE FAMILY, The Secret
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Global Warming
From Jeff Fink:
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM
There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that
the scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming
agenda have been suppressing and altering data.
...
Speaking
This whole solar system is warming idea (
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6892 ) comes from that well known
purveyor of entirely accurate information and mainstream science, Whitley
Strieber...
: [Vo]:global warming update
This whole solar system is warming idea (
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6892 ) comes from that well known
purveyor of entirely accurate information and mainstream science, Whitley
Strieber...
On Mar 1, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Anecdotes about global warming are a waste of time-
especially to confront the naysayers - because there
will always be tales of record cold somewhere, with
which to balance out the picture ... and in the end,
almost everyone can believe in what
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:-
What would be the point of having the guests pay a fortune to hear it, if
they
released the info publicly anyway?
The Forum wasn't specifically about this technology announcement - that
would have been just the icing on the cake of the much larger itinerary.
In reply to Nick Palmer's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:10:33 -:
Hi,
[snip]
Al Gore and co were allegedly going to announce a new technology at the
Fortune Forum but nothing has surfaced so far.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/global-warming-47120308
What would be
Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of their
Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France?
Michel
- Original Message -
From: David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]: Global warming
Michel Jullian wrote:
Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of
their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France?
Many positive results came from this effort:
1. Johnson-Matthey learned how to make Pd that works nearly every
time. They characterize the material
-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw:
[BOBPARKS-...])
Michel Jullian wrote:
Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of
their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France
Michel Jullian wrote:
Thanks for the rich historical details, but am I correct in
understanding that nothing positive _actually came out_ of it . . .
That is incorrect. See the paper I referenced earlier:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf
74 watts continuously for 40 to
Pathological scepticism is not the same as deliberately lying to cover up
meaningful results.
P.
At 09:43 AM 2/7/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Michel Jullian wrote:
Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of
their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France?
Many
Philip Winestone wrote:
Pathological scepticism is not the same as deliberately lying to cover up
meaningful results.
That is true. But in the case of the NHE and Toyota, I sense that the decision
makers do not believe the results, so they lie about them. I think that is also
how the people
Jed Rothwell wrote..
but that is a political problem, not scientific.
Howdy Jed,
A keen insight you have. Things happen in the world that most attribute to
conspiracy when they should be blamed on attitude. Given an opportunity, laws
of human nature demand actions be met with inaction of
Hi Michel,
What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute
significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to
reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot :)
What you are missing is that spending money on reducing unimportant GHG
emissions
In reply to David Thomson's message of Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:31:11 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Hi Michel,
What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute
significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to
reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot :)
David Thomson wrote:
Hi Michel,
What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute
significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to
reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot :)
What you are missing is that spending money on reducing
--- Taylor J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
I thought you might be interested in the below
article
from Science News. Global warming is real, but it
may be
cyclical beyond our control, especially now that
methane
is being released from the melting tundra --
probably a
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Sat, 14 Oct 2006
13:22:19 +:
Hi,
[snip]
The early Eocene (~56 to 49 million years ago) had the
highest prolonged global temperatures of the past 65
million years. High Eocene [CO2]atm is established from
sodium carbonate minerals formed in saline lakes
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