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On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
So you're saying the chimney would act like a steam dryer on an old
locomotive?
Interesting...
Either that or Rossi
: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
June 14, 2011)
At 08:54 PM 6/20/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
Either that or Rossi has discovered antifuggingravity. Come on!
Water is heavier than air.
Sure it is, but water droplets can be airborne for a long time.
Witness any
: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
June 14, 2011)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
So you're saying the chimney would act like a steam dryer on an old
On 11-06-20 08:54 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
So you're saying the chimney would act like a steam dryer on an old
locomotive?
Interesting...
Either that or Rossi has discovered antifuggingravity. Come on!
Water is
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
But just sending gas up a vertical pipe is certainly not enough to either
clean or dry it.
How does it leave the surface of a liquid and remain a liquid? Even
with evaporation, it's only the molecules with enough
On 11-06-21 02:27 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
But just sending gas up a vertical pipe is certainly not enough to either
clean or dry it.
How does it leave the surface of a liquid and remain a liquid?
Splashing. (At
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I don't know, I'm waving my hands.
Hi! waving back
I will be seriously amazed if a *convincing* no-input demo is done, as Jones
says should happen on Thursday.
Defkalion says they will not show the machine.
T
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion says they will not show the machine.
Oops, I see Jed already 'splained that. Messages are coming fast and furious.
T
Terry Blanton wrote:
Defkalion says they will not show the machine.
They said they will not demonstrate it. I am hoping they physically
bring one into the room even if they do not run it.
The good news is, they said they would discuss the machines. I expect
that will include some
At 02:27 PM 6/21/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
But just sending gas up a vertical pipe is certainly not enough to either
clean or dry it.
How does it leave the surface of a liquid and remain a liquid? Even
with
Hello group,
Sorry for cluttering the mailing list by creating yet another new thread
(please do tell me if it's starting to be an annoyance), but I wasn't
unsure of where to post this and I thought it probably deserved a
discussion of its own.
It's a freshly uploaded Youtube video from
An excellent video. The best yet. The sound quality is good.
Unfortunately it cuts off after 18 minutes.
You have to hand it to Krivit: he knows how to use a video camera to
good effect. That's harder than it seems. If it were me behind the
camera, you would only see the person from the neck
Hah! Someone said there were no magnets involved. But, I heard the
distinctive click of magnets as Rossi put the halves of his glasses
together to read the gamma meter.
:-)
T
PS Post as many threads as you please, Akira.
Unless liquid water is traveling up the chimney to the hose, the only
way for the water to exit the reactor is to first be converted to a
gas.
T
At 02:42 PM 6/20/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
2011 - Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer
(duration: 13m 24s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E
A very clear explanation ... but NOT an EXPERIMENT =8-)
And, of course, it doesn't exclude a Tarallo Water Diversion Fake !
He beams the water out with a teleporter. ;)
Haary
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 6:46:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
June 14, 2011)
Unless liquid
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
And, of course, it doesn't exclude a Tarallo Water Diversion Fake !
It doesn't require a diversion. If the water level reaches the hose,
liquid water will flow. If the water level never reaches the hose, it
must be
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
He beams the water out with a teleporter. ;)
Haary
Krishna?
:-)
T
Terry wrote:
How the hell do they know for
sure that liquid water is not flowing out the hose?
Terry speak for how the hell do I know for sure that liquid water is not
flowing into the hose?
If you agree that steam is passing through the hose, then if water is also
flowing in the
On 2011-06-20 23:42, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E
It appears from this video that the data logger used during Krivit's
visit was a Testo 177 T3 model which can only log temperatures. Please
somebody correct me if I'm wrong:
http://i.imgur.com/QBsJT.jpg
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
They need a watch glass or an external water level indicator to prove
that liquid water never reaches the level of the hose. Then they have
proved their point by simply measuring the amount of water that is
pumped into the reactor.
I don't
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
If you agree that steam is passing through the hose, then if water is also
flowing in the hose, it would tend to back up and make a sputtering noise near
where the hose ends in the drain in the wall.
So will condensed
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As I said, you would see it, wouldn't you?
Watch it. AR lifted up the hose to drain the water into the wall
before showing the steam.
Look, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just presenting a
fact. Water
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All the arguments about wet steam or dry steam are bullshit. Water
cannot leave the reaction vessel without directly flowing out. If no
water reaches the hose, it can only escape as steam.
Water changing state is always
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Watch it. AR lifted up the hose to drain the water into the wall
before showing the steam.
Ah. I see what you mean. At around 10:50 he lifts up the hose.
If AR is right, steam condenses inside the hose. That will happen.
Yes, with such a long
At 05:42 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
2011 - Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer
(duration: 13m 24s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E
Remarkable. In this video, at about 10:40, Rossi acknowledges that
there is a little water that, he claims, condenses in the hose.
very small
On 11-06-20 08:47 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All the arguments about wet steam or dry steam are bullshit. Water
cannot leave the reaction vessel without directly flowing out. If no
water reaches the hose, it can only
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
So you're saying the chimney would act like a steam dryer on an old
locomotive?
Interesting...
Either that or Rossi has discovered antifuggingravity. Come on!
Water is heavier than air.
T
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All the arguments about wet steam or dry steam are bullshit. Water
cannot leave the reaction vessel without directly flowing out. If no
water reaches the hose, it can only escape as steam.
Well, as you said, it might be filling up the chimney and
Here is an estimative of the power output of the steam based on the
video. What do you people think? Is it OK? It gives only 16Wats as the
output.
http://disq.us/2bl5a3
*
We, who've actually boiled water on a stove, we who've actually done
any thermodynamics in
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi says the hose is short but it seems long to me. Enough to radiate a
lot of heat.
Yeah, in the video, he knew better than to grab the hose with his
hand. He paused to grab something to hold the hose. The hose is
sorry to say:
in that video I hear a stroke frequency of 20/min, perhaps a bit more. That
means flow 3 kg/hr. For 7 kg/hr you would need 60 strokes/min.
Mains tension in Italy is 230 V and not 220 V, see Wikipedia.
A bit shocked, Angela
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Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote:
in that video I hear a stroke frequency of 20/min, perhaps a bit more. That
means flow 3 kg/hr. For 7 kg/hr you would need 60 strokes/min.
Well, he says they weigh the reservoir before and after. Other people who
have observed the tests told me
Well, he says they weigh the reservoir before and after. Other people who
have observed the tests told me they weighed it. If the video was long
enough we would see them do that. So I do not think you need to worry
about
the flow rate being incorrect.
- Jed
But then tell us please, why
Goat Guy did not account for the heat loss over the length of the tube.
Harry
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From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 9:08:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
June 14
But that would mean an almost complete loss...
Daniel
I agree the gas flow out the end of the black hose seems to be visible
right at the end -- whereas steam would be invisible for a short
distance.
Trained as a dishwasher since age 10, 80 miles E of Houston, Texas, I
am sure that hot water gives off mist in low altitude, warm, humid
climates.
On 11-06-20 08:52 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 05:42 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
2011 - Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer
(duration: 13m 24s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E
Remarkable. In this video, at about 10:40, Rossi acknowledges that
there is a little water
On 11-06-20 08:54 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
So you're saying the chimney would act like a steam dryer on an old
locomotive?
Interesting...
Either that or Rossi has discovered antifuggingravity. Come on!
Water is
Ho! I had forgotten about this one -- one of the early issues raised was
that 14 kW of steam coming out the end of a hose should be a little like
a rocket engine, and it would have been nice if some witness had
mentioned that.
Trouble was, there was no video, and witnesses didn't comment on
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 8:34:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
June 14, 2011)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
At 06:40 PM 6/20/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Maybe I should update the LENR-CANR.org news item to point that out.
I should make it explicit, since this wet/dry steam controversy
has dragged on. I am sure the reason I linked to the brochure in the
first place was to address this. I would have
At 06:46 PM 6/20/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
Unless liquid water is traveling up the chimney to the hose, the only
way for the water to exit the reactor is to first be converted to a
gas.
There are two ways, dependent on design.
The first way is, yes, liquid water travels up the chimney, being
At 08:13 PM 6/20/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Terry wrote:
How the hell do they know for
sure that liquid water is not flowing out the hose?
Terry speak for how the hell do I know for sure that liquid water
is not flowing into the hose?
If you agree that steam is passing through the
At 08:33 PM 6/20/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Terry Blanton mailto:hohlr...@gmail.comhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
They need a watch glass or an external water level indicator to prove
that liquid water never reaches the level of the hose. Then they have
proved their point by simply measuring the
At 08:47 PM 6/20/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All the arguments about wet steam or dry steam are bullshit. Water
cannot leave the reaction vessel without directly flowing out. If no
water reaches the hose, it can only
In the Essen paper, they were apparently able to examine steam coming
out of an open valve in the top of the chimney, a separate exit from
the hose. That would be why they were able to say that it was dry
steam, it's easy to tell if you can see it.
More accurately, if you can't see it until
At 08:54 PM 6/20/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
Either that or Rossi has discovered antifuggingravity. Come on!
Water is heavier than air.
Sure it is, but water droplets can be airborne for a long time.
Witness any cloud.
At 09:00 PM 6/20/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rossi says the hose is short but it seems long to me. Enough to
radiate a lot of heat. About as much as a 1 or 2 kW electric heater,
which means the steam has lost a lot of its umph by the time it
reaches the end, to address Abd's concern.
Great
At 10:01 PM 6/20/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
My guess is that the Rossi team actually don't have a clue about what
is happening between the device outlet and the far end of the hose.
We do know that the whole length of that hose was hot
To me, the video means little except to show how little
At 10:02 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Rossi's explanation is not sound, that the steam isn't so visible
because it's so hot. It's at normal temperature for steam!!!
Measured at between 100 and 102C, in fact, according to what I've read.
So, no, it's not superheated steam.
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 11:58:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET -
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At 10:02 PM 6/20/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Rossi's explanation
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