Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:39 PM 12/12/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:50:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] Great minds think alike, could be the saying, but, of course, this is just the ordinary human mind! We can think alike, in unexpected ways. My own theory is

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
our capacity to use hiden channel of information to get data on other people is surprising. any actor know that if you don't feel what you say, spectators can see it instantly. more surprising it have been show that humans can detect som mental states characteristics throug the walking move. In

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:31:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] It's also not necessary to explain human behavior, AFAIK. Look, that resonance is ELF. Possible data rate, a few Hz, maybe. No mechanism known for even emitting signals. No signals observed. [snip] I

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-13 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:31:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] It's also not necessary to explain human behavior, AFAIK. Look, that resonance is ELF. Possible data rate, a few Hz, maybe. No mechanism known

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-13 Thread David Roberson
vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:38 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:31:04 -0500: Hi

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-12 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:47:21 -0600: Hi, The point I have been trying to make, is that no telepathy is required for this, just sharp eyes and a sense of self preservation. From Robin: ... In either case, it's obvious that each bird

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:01 PM 12/12/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:47:21 -0600: Hi, The point I have been trying to make, is that no telepathy is required for this, just sharp eyes and a sense of self preservation. Just

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: The point I have been trying to make, is that no telepathy is required for this, just sharp eyes and a sense of self preservation. Probably. But you never know with birds. They can sense magnetism, for example, which they use to migrate. Who knows what else they can

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:50:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] Great minds think alike, could be the saying, but, of course, this is just the ordinary human mind! We can think alike, in unexpected ways. My own theory is that the intense visual concentration that

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-11 Thread Ron Wormus
orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:12 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? From Harry: it would be interesting to track the position of one bird within the flock. Yes, it would! I

RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Robin: ... In either case, it's obvious that each bird takes it's queues from the others in one way or another, otherwise there would be no flock at all. The flock appears to be the leader. Here's a great You Tube flick of a small flock of starlings defending themselves against an

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread Harry Veeder
it would be interesting to track the position of one bird within the flock. harry On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Robin: ... In either case, it's obvious that each bird takes it's queues from the others in one way or

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? Flocking birds

2012-12-10 Thread David L Babcock
Last week it was my luck and great pleasure to stand by the side of a country road in deepening dusk, and watch perhaps 200 birds wheel and gyre for 3 1/2 minutes. They formed a wildly malleable globe, elongating on any axis at random, while moving on another axis. There was no single leader.

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? Flocking birds

2012-12-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Real direction change seemed to be more of a mass decision, with all turning nearly together, and the lack of perfect sync causing the shape changes. I saw birds inside the globe sometimes going in quite a different direction, with no effect on

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? Flocking birds

2012-12-10 Thread Terry Blanton
In this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1675192/ Curtis saw the bird swarms as a prelude to doom. Some fantastic swarms on the web. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJjeHLcbQJ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6nvvFkbRkY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE

RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Harry: it would be interesting to track the position of one bird within the flock. Yes, it would! I suspect technology is advanced and miniaturized enough that we could easily fit locator chips on several starlings. Start collecting data. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread David Roberson
was located. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:12 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up? From Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: it would be interesting to track the position of one bird within the flock. Yes, it would! I suspect technology is advanced and miniaturized enough that we could easily fit locator chips on several starlings. Start

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Of course each of the individual starling are reacting collectively by bunching up closer together to stymie the Hawk, but that's the whole point. Visually speaking, it appears to be the

[Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
The following You Tube clip is heavily steeped in Judeo Christian holiday tradition. We witness a pre-planned and a well edited You tube Christmas Flash Mob happening. Nevertheless, while watching this clip... this flash mall happening if you will, it made me wonder if we might be watching an

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Does the Collective have any thoughts on the matter? *Childhood's End* is the definitive book on hive mind. The Overlords are nursemaids to hatching Uberminds, themselves being never able to

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
The best evidence for hive minds are in hives -- bee hives and ant colonies. Among larger animals, the best evidence is in the coordinated movement of schools of fish and flocks of birds. Here is an astounding video of starling flocks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-groCeKbE Despite this, I

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, Very interesting video, it more or less proves my principle that Energy is equivalent to Communication. Hence the OT is definitely NOT OT !!! On 9-12-2012 18:45, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Does the Collective have any thoughts on the matter? Or as the Borg used to say

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:42:32 -0500: Hi, [snip] However, their ability to respond with speed and precision to signals from others members of the flock is astounding. Like many other biological phenomena, it seems almost supernatural. ..they only need to follow

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread James Bowery
The (Eu)Social Conquest of Earthhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/books/review/the-social-conquest-of-earth-by-edward-o-wilson.html?pagewanted=all On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, Very interesting video, it more or less proves my principle that

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ..they only need to follow the bird in front of them, while keeping their position to the right or left behind, as the case may be. This way the motion of the flock leader propagates back through the flock. Except there is no leader. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Robin sez: ..they only need to follow the bird in front of them, while keeping their position to the right or left behind, as the case may be. This way the motion of the flock leader propagates back through the flock. Jed sez: Except there is no leader. Indeed! Jed has

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread James Bowery
Ah, to relive the triumphant creation of the multicellular sexual organism's love/death with our own individual sexual being ultimately sacrificed on that most ineffable alter! Let the zombie apocalypse join us in perfect harmony, a planet with one mind! On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:48 PM,

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

2012-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:46:15 -0500: Hi, [snip] mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ..they only need to follow the bird in front of them, while keeping their position to the right or left behind, as the case may be. This way the motion of the flock leader propagates