It appears that my X prize proposal wins the popularity contest.
*Thinking Big Is The Easy Part: My Weekend Dreaming Up The Next XPrize*
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3030775/thinking-big-is-the-easy-part-my-weekend-dreaming-up-the-next-xprize
When a couple of journalists join a bunch of
A recent LENR crowdfunding example
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/e-cat-world-hho-experimentcrowdfunding-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-178527
E-Cat World HHO Experiment/Crowdfunding Proposal
Posted on February 26, 2014 by
adminhttp://www.e-catworld.com/author/admin/* 19
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
Crowdfunding is the use of the internet to raise small sums of money from
large numbers of investors. Current US law allows organizations such as the
Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project to raise funds through
Crowdsourcing.
***
http://coldfusion3.com/blog/regulation-crowdfunding-could-jump-start-lenr-industry
Regulation Crowdfunding could Jump Start LENR Industry
Published February 21, 2014 | By jennifer
A new kind of financing called Regulation Crowdfunding could provide an
important new source of
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
.
When the MFMP says they are ready to claim they've sufficient signal to
noise and sufficient replicability,
***The MFMP says they intend to test a NANOR
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/replicate
but they
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote:
In cold climates, they make nice localized heaters, and will probably cost
less than what your electric furnace would have cost to run . . .
The energy cost is exactly the same as a resistance electric heater. The
equipment cost is far higher. A
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
First, the light will know to turn itself off, and second, there won't be
a particular need to turn it off. I'll get my beloved regular old
lightbulbs back and will say goodbye to compact fluorescents forever.
Probably not. Compact fluorescent (CFL)
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The cost per FLOP or per byte of storage has declined by many orders of
magnitude. BUT, we spend a lot more on computers than we did in 1970.
We spend much more now so this is not comparable and disproves your former
assertion ...
It is
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Using incandescent lights is economic lunacy. Even with cold fusion it
would be crazy, especially in commercial apps.
That makes sense. I draw a big distinction between compact fluorescents
and LEDs. LEDs are not bad
to heat
that 100 acre building.
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:X-prize proposal
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Using incandescent lights
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Using incandescent lights is economic lunacy. Even with cold fusion it
would be crazy, especially in commercial apps.
That makes sense. I
Sodium vapor lamps are apparently the most efficient light source
commercially available, which is why they're widely used in street
lighting. At 200 lumens/watt, they are about twice as efficient as
typical LED lamps, and have about half the service life. Their
construction uses borosilcate
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
CFLs make my
eyes hurt and make everything less vibrant looking. I'm going to guess this
is because they are only lighting up small portions of the spectrum of
visible light, but this is just a guess.
I think it is
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
My proposal for X-Prize is more of a grassroots movement to replicate the
gamma rays excess heat seen by the MFMP, and for the experiments to be
done at a Techshop. Such an arrangement probably isn't suitable to a
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
My proposal for X-Prize is more of a grassroots movement to replicate the
gamma rays excess heat seen by the MFMP, and for the experiments to be
done at a Techshop. Such an arrangement probably isn't suitable to a
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:X-prize proposal
Sodium vapor lamps are apparently the most efficient light source commercially
available, which is why they're widely used in street lighting. At 200
lumens/watt, they are about twice as efficient as typical LED lamps, and have
about half
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Using incandescent lights is economic lunacy. Even with cold fusion it
would be crazy, especially in commercial apps.
That makes sense. I draw a big distinction between compact fluorescents
and LEDs. LEDs are not bad at all; in fact, I kind of
Labeling the mainstream climate narrative as 'true' or 'false' perpetuates the
'black or white' fallacy. The elite controlled media helps by labeling
prominent skeptics as deniers even if they openly acknowledge a rise in
temperature over decades (Lindzen). Eliminating a moderate view serves
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
From the website: A person's interests and circumstances have no bearing
on the truth or falsity of the claim being made. While a person's interests
will provide them with motives to support certain claims, the claims stand
or fall on their own.
In a
I wrote:
The fallacy would be to state that: we know this is a lie because it
serves the speaker's best interests. That would only be true if people
invariably, automatically lied whenever it was in their best interest to do
so. We know they do not.
In this discussion, I have made a
The usual fallacy I see often is of that family:
- there are possibility that X is false/fake/artifact
- thus sure X is is false/fake/artifact
there is the symmetrical believers equivalent, possible- true
2014-02-14 18:33 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Eric Walker
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
The usual fallacy I see often is of that family:
- there are possibility that X is false/fake/artifact
- thus sure X is is false/fake/artifact
Exactly. Well said.
there is the symmetrical believers equivalent, possible- true
Yup.
- Jed
It seems oils companies like Amoco, Shell have participated the research.
Today they participate investment in renewables, like do oild kingdoms, to
prepare for the transition...
what you describe is better explained by self-delusion like the one of hot
fusionist...
I feel that oil companies
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com
It seems oils companies like Amoco, Shell have participated
the research.
Today they participate investment in renewables, like do oil
kingdoms, to prepare for the transition...
There
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems oils companies like Amoco, Shell have participated the research.
Today they participate investment in renewables, like do oild kingdoms, to
prepare for the transition...
A few scientists at these companies did research. I doubt that upper
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
There is the cynical PoV, which should not be overlooked. The Exxons of the
world do not necessarily see themselves as oil companies so much as
enablers of personal transportation. They want your $30 and up, per week,
and do not care if they get it by
I meant to say: LENR will be built into things like cars and space heaters,
BY the companies that manufacture these things.
I mean with in-house expertise, and in-house production lines. LENR will be
tightly integrated into the design of the machines. Not something you can
add-on from an outside
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
If LENR turns out to be long-term commercial reality, then the initial cost
of the devices will be higher than most of us want to believe, since that
price will be governed by typical supply and demand dynamics - with demand
pushing prices to the limit.
From: Jed Rothwell
I meant to say: LENR will be built into things like cars and space heaters,
BY the companies that manufacture these things.
It will take years for that to happen, just as it did in automobiles. There
will likely be trades secrets in LENR which prohibit this at first.
Note how I phrased this, oh so carefully:
As long as there is free market competition, there will be cutthroat price
reductions and the cost of energy per joule will plummet, just as the cost
of computing fell by a factor of several billion (measured per instruction
or per byte of storage).
From: Jed Rothwell
Note how I phrased this, oh so carefully:
As long as there is free market competition, there will be cutthroat price
reductions and the cost of energy per joule will plummet, just as the cost
of computing fell by a factor of several billion (measured per instruction
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It will take years for that to happen, just as it did in automobiles.
There will likely be trades secrets in LENR which prohibit this at first.
Okay, years. It took a while for the Intel microprocessor to gut the
minicomputer and mainframe markets. It
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Of course I understand what the Xprize can accomplish, I was there at the
beginning pitching it in St Louis.
But if any of the entities talking about products introduces one that
works, what prize do you suggest be
Be specific, you must be referring to the Koch brothers. When the
environmentalists push LENR as a solution for climate change, the Kock
family will spend big to kill the LENR menace before it spreads.
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
The
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Overall consumption may not rise much in the first world, because many
people consume all the energy they want. I am sure consumption will rise in
the the third world.
Assuming CF is commercialized in our lifetimes,
I do not know anything about the X-prize. If someone here would like to
submit a proposal, I would be happy to assist in writing it.
- Jed
I've been rather too busy to respond, since one must be _very_ careful
about setting up the criteria, but since there is additional interest I'll
respond now briefly but carefully:
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very active.
Go to xprize.org
I was involved with Dr Peter Diamandis when he first came to St Louis to
propose a Lindbergh type prize to the St Louis Science Center. All the legal
documents for prizes have been hashed
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very
active. Go to xprize.org
Someone has to persuade this organization to offer a prize for cold fusion.
Right? I do not know how to go about doing that.
I do not think it is likely
Jed:
I know Diamandis pretty well and other members of his board.
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of the
players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if so no Prize is necessary.
Ransom
Sent from my
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of
the players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if so no Prize is necessary.
I agree.
Actually, if Rossi or one of the
The nuclear power industry wants global warming to be real. So do wind and
solar interests. The biggest booster of the global warming movement is rarely
mentioned: the TBTJ banks such as Goldman Sachs - who want to feed off
supervising carbon markets.
Funny you didn't mention the TBTJ banks in your supposed fallacy - the banks
that conspired with the FBI to discuss using snipers to deal with Occupy
protesters ( exposed in redacted documents) Or how they bribed police to make
sure that these protests were kept away from their mansions (
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of
the players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Categoring their malevolent influence as ad hominem is a fallacy, indeed.
I did not say ad hominem. That is a different fallacy. I said
circumstantial ad hominem. That is, dismissing a claim because it is in
the best interest of the claimant that the
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
That's true if Rossi has a handle on the science. There is wide-spread
opinion among genuine skeptics (not to be confused with true believers in
the bureaucratic interpretation of physical theory) that what Rossi has is
more likely a technique that is
I mean to say: because it would be in the best interests of claimant Y for
claim X to be true, [and because I have proved X is false], I suspect that
Y is lying. In short, once you establish that X is false, you can then use
that fact to impugn motives. You cannot do it the other way around. The
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific research
program. I was referring to the development program. You _really_ don't
want to do engineering in the absence of validated theory. Development is
costly enough with a validated theory. Indeed, *with* a validated theory
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary.
***WHY the f**k not? Whoever dumps money into the prize would get their
press exposure 20X over, and whomever wins the prize would have dumped more
than 3-4X into it than they won? Do you understand what the XPrize level
of exposure brings to LENR?
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific research
program. I was referring to the development program. You _really_ don't
want to do engineering in the absence of validated theory.
Why not? Most technology was developed without
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary.
***WHY the f**k not? Whoever dumps money into the prize would get their
press exposure 20X over, and whomever wins the prize would have dumped more
than 3-4X into it than they won? Do you understand
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From the website: A person's interests and circumstances have no bearing
on the truth or falsity of the claim being made. While a person's interests
will provide them with motives to support certain claims, the claims
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific
research program. I was referring to the development program. You
_really_ don't want to do engineering in the
Of course I understand what the Xprize can accomplish, I was there at the
beginning pitching it in St Louis.
But if any of the entities talking about products introduces one that works,
what prize do you suggest be funded?
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Kevin
Randy, think about it like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYcGPF00l0
The companies that are threatening to, any day now (really -- just another
year -- trust us -- don't introduce an X-Prize for cold fusion because it
is moot or really soon will be) start selling a commercial cold
(Seriously, that's one of my favorite shorts of all time. The actor is a
comedic genius as well as the directing, editing and writing being
excellent.)
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Randy, think about it like this video:
I am confused. I do not follow what James Bowery means about the X-prize.
Let me reset the conversation with a new title.
Bowery wrote:
Sound criteria would include an experimental protocol is submitted to Dick
Smith that, when followed by independent scientists, reliably generates
excess
What I'm asking for is something similar to what I asked of proponents of
alternative fusion technologies when writing up the fusion prize
legislation back in 1992http://www.oocities.org/jim_bowery/BussardsLetter.html
:
If you were considering competing for a cold fusion prize to be awarded
for a
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
What I'm asking for is something similar to what I asked of proponents of
alternative fusion technologies when writing up the fusion prize
legislation back in
1992http://www.oocities.org/jim_bowery/BussardsLetter.html
:
If you were considering
Jed:
I can see that we think alike. I was about to set up a new thread for the
X Prize.
Enclosed is my proposal sent to Singularity University honchos I met last
week. I do not include any responses because I have not gotten permission
to release the correspondence.
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