Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: I highly doubt that anyone can come close to predicting what will happen from here... Clean, cheap energy will touch EVERY ASPECT OF LIVING, COMMERCE and INTERACTION BETWEEN COUNTRIES. The complexity of those interactions makes it difficult

Re: [Vo]: Primary Examiner for USPTO asking Rossi questions!!!

2011-01-23 Thread Frank
In reply to Robin's email of Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:40:04 -0800 Hi Robin, Regarding the interest of examiner Snow. [snip] ...or perhaps he's just curious? (like us) ;) [/snip] I hope this means some consideration is being given to the circumstances under which the Mill's patent was

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread peatbog
http://wattsupwiththat.com, a widely-read website, has a non-sneering article about the Rossi claims.

RE: [Vo]: Primary Examiner for USPTO asking Rossi questions!!!

2011-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
Did you go to his site? Even more curious. Bizarre is more like it. Look under 'litigation' - the plaintiff is a name known to many of us, but the nature of the lawsuit is not clear. From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:50 PM To:

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/23/2011 01:12 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: This whole issue /[of steam quality measurements]/ may be of academic interest only... Only if another demonstration is done with no input (closed loop). Otherwise it's still extremely interesting because, if this measurement was botched as

[Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread noone noone
I think there will be even more data posted Monday http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/report-ufficiale-esperimento-della.html

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: We can thus see from this table that if 1 percent by volume of the steam is entrained water micro-droplets, easily not seen in tubing or exhaust ports, that only 5.6 percent of the heat of vaporization is required to produce that mixture. I do

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread noone noone
I think that Cold Fusion technology will totally change the world. I think that NOTHING will be considered impossible again. From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 1:16:22 AM Subject: [Vo]: The tides have

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:34 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote: I think that NOTHING will be considered impossible again. I have always believed anything was possible given adequate time and funding. CF reduces the funding cost. T

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is helpful! Although I hope they do post more data. You can see these are old professors since they post screen images of the computer data instead of the output from the instruments converted directly into a graph. This report says the probe used with the RH meter is an HP474AC. See:

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Notice that Levi was careful to mount the machine and control box so that you can see underneath it: Prudentially I have lifted the control box in search for any other eventually hidden cable and found none. He has a sufficiently suspicious mind. That's good. - Jed

Re: [Vo]: Primary Examiner for USPTO asking Rossi questions!!!

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you go to his site? Even more curious. Bizarre is more like it. Look under ‘litigation’ – the plaintiff is a name known to many of us, but the nature of the lawsuit is not clear.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
I am a bit puzzled by this statement: During the test the main resistor, used to ignite the reaction, two failed to defective welding. Even That condition in the reactor started operation successfully using the other resistors But The duration of the experiment in full power ( ≈ 40 min) Was to

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Does anyone have Dr. Levi's CV? You can't just google his name. Well, you can; but, there's many of him. :) T

RE: [Vo]:Efimov - was: Chain Reaction and/or Self Sustain Mode

2011-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton It would seem to me that there might be an upper limit in the mass of a halo nucleus. Could be, but why? Is that because no one has looked for it, or not? There is too little data on this subject to be sure. As we have discussed here before,

RE: [Vo]: Primary Examiner for USPTO asking Rossi questions!!!

2011-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
Aha. Shades of the Rusi affair ... The 'fix' is still on. How long before NET picks up on this? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jones Beene wrote: Look under 'litigation' - the plaintiff is a name known to many of us, but the nature of the lawsuit is not clear.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Peter Gluck
it's here in Italian http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.itTabControl1=TabCV http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.itTabControl1=TabCV Peter On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Does

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: it's here in Italian http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.itTabControl1=TabCV Many thanks, Peter. You are a gentleman and a scholar! Dr. Levi certainly looks qualified to participate

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor. Dr. Giuseppe Levi

2011-01-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Thanks for the compliment - I am an expert websearcher, see Informavore's Sunday No 439 at my blog Ego Out http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com, I have won more contests- e.g. who wants to be a millionaire with time control (you get points not money) Always happy and ready to help, if you have such

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:59 AM, peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com, a widely-read website, has a non-sneering article about the Rossi claims. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/22/cold-fusion-going-commercial/#more-32272 This article has a photo from an angle which

[Vo]: Volume of reactor is 1 liter

2011-01-23 Thread Mark Iverson
From Rossi's website comments, we now know the volume of the reactor... 1 liter. Much smaller than Jed's earlier estimate. Andrea Rossi January 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM Dear Mr Giorgio Roncolato: The volume of the reactor is 1 liter. If you read carefully the report you find all yuo are

[Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
In the discussion her: http://pesn.com/2011/01/21/9501749_Fighting_the_Infection_of_Cynical_Skepticism_with_Cold_Fusion/ Someone named Guest insists that it is possible to boil 8.8 kg of water in 30 min with 700 W input. He give a set of reasons similar to the ones cited here by Horace Heffner;

Re: [Vo]: Volume of reactor is 1 liter

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: From Rossi's website comments, we now know the volume of the reactor... 1 liter. Much smaller than Jed's earlier estimate. Well, I was assuming it was a hollow dummy device. Evidently the walls are thick and there is actual equipment in there, not

Re: [Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Below is a follow up posting at the web site. As far as I can tell, this would apply to Heffner's calculation as well. Assuming the frying pan makes 1% wet steam, it should have taken about 4 minutes for all of the water to leave the pan, by his calculation. I do not think my frying pan is

Re: [Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thank you, Jed. That was a worthwhile experiment.

Re: [Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
And his wife said Jed can't cook. T

Re: [Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:29:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] ...but you are not actually producing wet steam. You are producing dry steam that then condenses to some extent upon contact with the cool air. Real wet steam might be produced in a situation where the flow of steam

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mark Iverson: Good or bad, the genie is out of the bottle and there's no way anyone can stuff it back in... I sincerely hope, pray, that the human species has matured enough to accept the responsibility that comes with this kind of discovery. I agree, Mark. Sunday Sermon Potential

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Personally, I hope that 2012 will usher in a new sun. Not a supernova of Betelgeuse; but, a slow, cold fusion which will render the petrodollar obsolete. May the end of the Mayan calender on the winter solstice be the day that megawatt H-Ni steam engine goes online. T

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: Personally, I hope that 2012 will usher in a new sun.  Not a supernova of Betelgeuse; but, a slow, cold fusion which will render the petrodollar obsolete.  May the end of the Mayan calender on the winter solstice be the day that megawatt H-Ni steam engine goes online. In which

[Vo]:JANUARY 15th EVENT - Prof. Levi and Dr. Bianchini Reports

2011-01-23 Thread noone noone
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Levi%20and%20Bianchini%20Reports.pdf

Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
I hope for the better. Harry From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 10:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle. I think that Cold Fusion technology will totally change the world. I think

Re: [Vo]:Fusing Fear and Science - Lets Stick to Nickel and Hydrogen

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
The unfamiliar should be feared at least a little bit. Harry From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:58:49 PM Subject: [Vo]:Fusing Fear and Science - Lets Stick to Nickel and Hydrogen My hope is that lots of people will stand up and say

Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball?

2011-01-23 Thread David Jonsson
Thanks all. Easy when getting it explained. Net linear momentum is the same so this means impulse have to be the same too. Actually I was thinking about gas molecules in a container. If heating would increase weight. The ball example shows it can't increase pressure on the bottom. David David

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If it's pure steam (no entrained air) at 100 C, then the RH must be 100%, a priori, since the vapor pressure of water at 100 C is 1 atmosphere. I think it is mixed with air, otherwise the water pump would have to work harder and harder as a vacuum is

Re: [Vo]:Test of boiling water in a frying pan

2011-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...but you are not actually producing wet steam. You are producing dry steam that then condenses to some extent upon contact with the cool air. Also with the sides of the pot. I figured that out after I wrote it. With the flow calorimetry I think it does entrain

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/23/2011 09:49 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If it's pure steam (no entrained air) at 100 C, then the RH must be 100%, a priori, since the vapor pressure of water at 100 C is 1 atmosphere. I think it is mixed with air, otherwise the water pump would

Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball?

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
The truck would be lighter while it crosses the bridge if the chickens could jump so high that they remain in the air until the truck is over the bridge. Assuming the chickens have super thighs and aren't boxed in. ;-) Harry On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:36 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball?

2011-01-23 Thread Man on Bridges
On 24-1-2011 4:04, Harry Veeder wrote: The truck would be lighter while it crosses the bridge if the chickens could jump so high that they remain in the air until the truck is over the bridge. Assuming the chickens have super thighs and aren't boxed in. ;-) Harry This was actually tested by

[Vo]:preliminary radiation and heat findings on two recent tests Dec 16 and Jan 14 on the same HNi fusion Rossi reactor by U. Bologna scientists, D Bianchini, G Levi: Rich Murray 2011.01.23

2011-01-23 Thread Rich Murray
preliminary radiation and heat findings on two recent tests Dec 16 and Jan 14 on the same HNi fusion Rossi reactor by U. Bologna scientists, D Bianchini, G Levi: Rich Murray 2011.01.23 http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/report-ufficiale-esperimento-della.html [ Rich Murray: minor typos and

Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball?

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 10:12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball? On 24-1-2011 4:04, Harry Veeder wrote: The truck would be lighter while it crosses the bridge if the

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 9:58:57 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality On 01/23/2011 09:49 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence

Re: [Vo]:Force from bouncing ball higher than resting ball?

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/23/2011 10:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: The truck would be lighter while it crosses the bridge if the chickens could jump so high that they remain in the air until the truck is over the bridge. Assuming the chickens have super thighs and aren't boxed in. ;-) But then the chickens have

Re: [Vo]:HP474AC probe measures Relative Humidity, not steam quality

2011-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/23/2011 10:32 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: No, I don't think so. The stuff pumped out of the supply tank, and into the reactor, is 100% water; air comes into the supply tank at the top and displaces the water in the tank as it's pumped out. Well you